Schools are using FBI hacking tools to access students' phones

Athlonite

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And if they were adults, you’d be correct... but students don’t have rights... please read the comments before you post...

That depends on who you ask pretty sure if you ask the human rights commision or the U.N. you'll be told that children do have rights so who's right them or the U.S. Education dept I'd hazard a guess as it not being the Education dept
 

Squid Surprise

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That depends on who you ask pretty sure if you ask the human rights commision or the U.N. you'll be told that children do have rights so who's right them or the U.S. Education dept I'd hazard a guess as it not being the Education dept
Read ALL of my comments... students don’t have the SAME rights as adults...
 

Endymio

Posts: 1,334   +1,216
Read ALL of my comments... students don’t have the SAME rights as adults...
Your original statement was: "minors do not have rights in a democracy", followed by: "children do NOT have rights. Sorry to be so blunt, it it’s true."

After myself and others pointed out this is fallacious -- minors have most of the rights that adults do, and in fact have certain additional rights that adults lack -- you're backing off that extreme position, but still not acknowledging that minors have privacy protections just like adults do, and, in fact in many nations, have more legal right to privacy than adults.

The issue you're conflating concerns abrogation of rights. If an adult consents to having their phone searched, they've abrogated their right to privacy. If they consent to having their child's phone searched, this is true as well. However, the right still exists; it simply isn't being violated because of the consent given.
 

Squid Surprise

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The POINT - which you are clearly intentionally ignoring - is that the rights that children/students have do NOT protect them from having their phones searched ... whereas if they were adults, they might have something to complain about...
 

jpuroila

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The POINT - which you are clearly intentionally ignoring - is that the rights that children/students have do NOT protect them from having their phones searched ... whereas if they were adults, they might have something to complain about...
But they explicitly do, unless their guardian gives consent. Certainly the Bill of Rights doesn't have anything in it about minors not having protection against unreasonable searches.
 

Squid Surprise

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But they explicitly do, unless their guardian gives consent. Certainly the Bill of Rights doesn't have anything in it about minors not having protection against unreasonable searches.
“Unless their guardian gives consent.”
Whereas an adult doesn’t have that limitation...
 

cliffordcooley

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“Unless their guardian gives consent.” Whereas an adult doesn’t have that limitation...
What are you smoking?
Parental guardianship does not equate to kids don't have rights. In fact people (that includes parents) can go to prison for violating kids rights, whether parents consent or not.
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,033   +3,159
What are you smoking?
Parental guardianship does not equate to kids don't have rights. In fact people (that includes parents) can go to prison for violating kids rights, whether parents consent or not.
Please provide an example of someone going to jail for searching a child’s belongings after obtaining the parents permission...