Sony suspends all PlayStation hardware and software shipments, digital sales in Russia

[Burty117]

The question is, if all of this is true, why is it then so crucial that Ukraine join NATO and that we start a war against a country on the verge of collapsing all by itself?

Has the US or any NATO member explicitly said they need to go to war with Russia?
I do get that Ukraine shouldn't be somewhat forced into NATO by the West but after what's currently happening now, could you blame Ukraine for now wanting to be in NATO?
Putin should have tried much harder to be friends with Ukraine, not start a war with them.

The US and Russia alike need to get out of Ukraine.

Pre this war, I would completely agree, after this war (assuming Russia gives up that is) well, Russia certainly won't be helping Ukraine to re-build, I bet the EU and the west in general help re-build Ukraine.

Perhaps liberal media didn't explain "BRIC" to you: Brazil, India, Russia, China

I don't think you understand what the acronym stands for, here, I'll quickly give you the definition:
"BRIC is a grouping acronym which refers to the countries of Brazil, Russia, India and China deemed to be developing countries at a similar stage of newly advanced economic development, on their way to becoming developed countries."

There's at least 3 Billion people on Russia's side.

Oh, They're all on Russia's side are they? I'm fairly certain India and China are Neutral in all this and Brazil has openly said, actually let me get the quote...
"Brazil's position is clear... We are on the side of world peace," Franca told a news conference in Lisbon when asked if he condemned the invasion. "We think we can reach that (peace)... by helping to find a way out (of the war), not by taking sides."

I'm just saying, if you look at the western world, the amount of countries backing up and actively supporting and supplying Ukraine is much larger vs Russia's allies that all appear to be doing basically nothing.

 

[emmzo]

The only propagandist here is you.

I did not deny that what was going on in Ukraine is horrible, nor do I support Putin's bid to resurrect the rotten corpse of the USSR. You, on the other hand, immediately cast aspersions on me by linking me through ad-hominem attacks to points I have not made nor support, simply because I raise the point that this war is not as black and white as bobbleheads on CNN would have you believe.

You said somehow NATO is to be blamed for this war, so, I assumed you gobbled all the other russian lies. Starting an unprovoked war and seeking total annihilation of a free democratic country looks pretty black and white to me.

 

[Thretosix]

The United States set the precedent that pre-emptive strikes are acceptable, and our government has been the ones goading Ukraine into joining NATO.

This war is terrible but it's completely dishonest to pretend that Putin just woke up one day and decided he wanted to bully Ukraine and that the US and NATO has no culpability in the situation whatsoever.

You are correct. Putin has been planning this for some time now it wasn't just something that happened overnight.

 

[Geralt]

8 billion people can most definitely "cancel" a country with 140m people whose demography is aging and economy collapsing. And in this case, Russia is pretty much alone. Without western investment, they'll be colonized by China. That's about it. Their economy can't even make it into the top 10 nominally. Per capita? They're the 74th.

Russia acts like a superpower but they're really not. Having nuclear weapons won't make you a superpower. Do you consider North Korea a superpower? Russia's land is big, but that's all they have. They're a big gas station, not much else.

Their army's power is an illusion but in reality all they can do is pull verbal threats out their @sses. In WW2 they had the most casualties BY FAR. Why? Because they lack the tech and training. You know the old saying, "throw money at it", well, Russia doesn't have that much money, so they instead follow the "throw people at it" principle.

In Afghanistan they lost about TEN TIMES more people in 10 years than the US did in 20 years. During the Chechen wars they even went bankrupt. And that country is like 30 times smaller than Ukraine. And that was without much western intervention. So why did they go bankrupt? Because war is F*CKING EXPENSIVE. Not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia. They've lost a ridiculous amount of equipment already. We're talking about billions of dollars. They're on the way to pull the bankruptcy stunt again with the Ukrainian invasion. They don't even dare opening their stock exchange, it's been closed for almost 2 weeks now, but they're only delaying the inevitable.

They already had to DOUBLE their interest rate. The Russian ruble has lost 40% of its value against the dollar this year. The effects aren't immediately visible, but they'll most definitely be devastating to the Russian people.

They're not controlling anything, they can't even make an offensive that's farther away from the border than 50 km. Morale is low and no real progress whatsoever. These brainwashed Russian conscripts won't willingly die for invading a neighbor, but the Ukrainian people are proving time and time again that they WILL rather die for their home than accept Russian occupation.

Half is true, the rest it is not. For example, in WW2 they lost 30 million people because 90% of the German army was in their territory. USA did not have that experience yet.

 

[waclark]

Well, that will free up about 100 units. Oh boy, no more scalpers!

 

[DrSuess]

What will we do without PlayStation????? All those bannings make no sense. While the banning of oil/gas imports damages Russian economy, the fact that MacDonalds, Sony, Starbucks, Coke, Pepsico, etc. leave Russia is just a godsend. Russian youth will be better without all that crap.

Yeah, and bombing hospitals makes even less sense. Companies are leaving because it will become increasingly more difficult to move money between the 2 countries, the same thing happened in Venezuela. The cost and optics are too high to do business there.

 

[McMurdeR]

You don't need to occupy Ukraine if you decimate it.

The people are fleeing their homes and cities there.

Chances are, because of the devastation and lack of infrastructure/ comforts, they ain't coming back.

What kind of people would do that to their neighbours? Absolutely repulsive.

 

[captaincranky]

What's going to happen is that Russia is going to make Ukraine a buffer zone. They will ultimately be in control of the rebuilding of Ukraine - only they'll control the when, how and where of the rebuilding. The sanctions on them will be lifted ultimately.

If you do the research on East versus West Germany after WWII, you'll see that the Russians aren't good at all with after war restoration projects.

 

[captaincranky]

The question is, if all of this is true, why is it then so crucial that Ukraine join NATO and that we start a war against a country on the verge of collapsing all by itself?

Oh, that's easy, because they lived behind the iron curtain before, and have absolutely not intention of going back, at least not willingly

 

[Mister_K]

Even Techspot comment section can't escape Russia propaganda. Like always "western food is evil, drinks are evil".. Russians are pigs which can't decide which is who, so it's best when there is no choice..? Like in the elections..?

He isn't wrong. All that **** is bad.

 

[QuantumPhysics]

What kind of people would do that to their neighbours? Absolutely repulsive.

Perhaps neighbors who got tired of the Asov Brigade?

 

[emmzo]

Perhaps neighbors who got tired of the Asov Brigade?

Ok, about 2500 members of an army of over 150 thousand are right wing extremists. Let's destroy Ukraine. Really, dude? You think extremist groups and far right is not present in every country, including Russia? There are millions of White Supremacists in the US, is US a nazi country?

 

[terzaerian]

Ok, about 2500 members of an army of over 150 thousand are right wing extremists. Let's destroy Ukraine. Really, dude? You think extremist groups and far right is not present in every country, including Russia? There are millions of White Supremacists in the US, is US a nazi country?

Your goalposts sure shift quickly

"Ukrainian Nazis are a conspiracy theory!"

24 hours later

"Okay there are Ukrainian Nazis but so what?"

 

[emmzo]

Your goalposts sure shift quickly

"Ukrainian Nazis are a conspiracy theory!"

24 hours later

"Okay there are Ukrainian Nazis but so what?"

Maybe you have difficulties reading. The conspiracy is claiming a country is nazi because there are right wing extremists there. There sure are in your country. Are you a nazi? There sure are in Russia, are they nazis?

 

[McMurdeR]

Perhaps neighbors who got tired of the Asov Brigade?

So the Russian regime's self appointed "solution" to a handful of right wingers (in a completely separate sovereign nation) is to level the place to rubble? It's pretty clear who the extremists are...

 

[emmzo]

So the Russian regime's self appointed "solution" to a handful of right wingers (in a completely separate sovereign nation) is to level the place to rubble? It's pretty clear who the extremists are...

The biggest memorial in Europe of the Holocaust is Babyn Yar, in Ukraine, which the Russians bombed. On purpose or they just don't care? Either way one can draw a conclusion.

 

[kiwigraeme]

In the 1970s - USSR would fly say OTT Trade Unionists ( I'm not anti-union ) for a special tour - get full on special treatment the proletariat would never hope to experience . Then come back and rave how wonderful it all was - probably got funding to boot ( The USA have it's own funding operations all over the world as well ) .
Now these people got something - probably reasoned no one would take their ravings seriously anyway .
If you defected - nice apartment in Moscow or St Petersburg - Invitations to dachas in Crimea and nice state pensions - easy life .

Not trollskis are going to be trollskis . But useful western people spouting how Putin is wonderful and in the right etc - what do they get ? - Russian operatives probably have no respect for them . They just feed their conspiracy addiction and the need to be contrarian .
None of them want to live in Russia - They enjoy the perks freedoms/ democracy of the countries they live in . They dost protest too loudly about their rights and how persecuted they are in their lives .
It's fascinating - often wonder -how many of these people that are climate change deniers ( Ruski trollfarm as well - plus western trollfarms to boot from polluters ) - if you say life or death is it true - what would their answer be.
There definitely are edge cases who believe it 100% - that 200 plus countries are in a big conspiracy.
Yet also in a study of USA farmers - those who believed that Climate change was a hoax - actually made changes to yearly activities - moving dates - and making plans for hotter- dryer or wetter , insects whatever going forward .
So their business brain believed it .
It's one thing that annoyed me at Uni - the most whinging insular students were middleclass - I came from a working class family - I just got on with it .
Putin is massively losing in the west - In Russia the wests economic war - feeds their propaganda that NATO is attacking them - so ergo must save Ukraine by destroying it . Amazingly propaganda does not have to be internally consistent - we saw that with in the west - Didn't matter you could kill someone in downtown Manhattan . Say in the 1950s you should start up a super weird religion solely to make tax free money. We all suffer it to some extend - If we say big rich govt/company should right monetary wrongs - yet we knowlingly get a wrong windfall payment we weren't entitled to - most of us would keep it - if not obvious and we could proffer a vague excuse - I wonder how many of those aliens ( USA legal term for all non-Americans ) that worked in The USA for a short while who got sent Covid checks - sent them back