SpaceX successfully launches Falcon Heavy rocket for the first time

Manuel Diego

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Pardon me if I made you think that I was doubting that Musk had several nationalities, that was not my point, you are probably right about it, I don't really care much about it. The point was rather "who cares on what side of any fence he was born". Starting a discussion about the good or bad of someone's deeds by making point #1 the nationality of said person, that's what's to love on your comments, and says a lot.
As for "habla usted Englais", c'est clairement pas ta langue à toi, y a pas à dire! Pero descuida, que hablas la lengua del imperio, ya te va bien ;)
 
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GeforcerFX

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This was an actual test launch still, two different evaluation tests were conducted with the payload. As stated and has been seen with other prototype launches there has to be something in the payload bay to simulate the weight. This was not only for PR but filled a role that had to be filled no matter what, and did some type of proof test for the air force regarding the van allen belts. As far as the landing I believe they reserve 20% of fuel for the re-entry burn and for the landing burn, since they only use 3 engines on the landing burn the fuel burn rate is lower. It's obviously worth the hassle though, Delta IV Medium with a 25,000 payload costs around $150 million to launch and is throw away, Falcon 9 with recovery on the same payload is around $75 million, and you get to reuse 80% of the rocket. If I remember correctly the max payload to LEO is on a non recoverable launch, so all the fuel is used to get the thing out into LEO and the cores are wasted. Nasa get's to go back to Saturn V with the SLS in a few years anyways, it makes me slightly angry they are using the same engines and SRB's from the shuttle but plan to scrap them each mission.
 

captaincranky

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Pardon me if I made you think that I was doubting that Musk had several nationalities, that was not my point, you are probably right about it, I don't really care much about it. The point was rather "who cares on what side of any fence he was born". Starting a discussion about the good or bad of someone's deeds by making point #1 the nationality of said person, that's what's to love on your comments, and says a lot.
As for "habla usted Englais", c'est clairement pas ta langue à toi, y a pas à dire! Pero descuida, que hablas la lengua del imperio, ya te va bien ;)
A tip of the cap to your multilingual self. Although, I thought the only two words a person needed to know en Francais was, "I surrender".

Well, I separate Musk's claim of being a "humanitarian", from the actuality of "Musk the carpetbagger". His multinational citizenship grants me leave to wonder about his allegiance. Of course the truth is, no matter how much tripe he throws up about wanting to help mankind, he's damned well going to do if on his own terms, at extreme cost, and with other people's money.

His successes can't be traced to his ability in the scientific realm. What he is, is one of the best con men, motivational speakers, and possibly faith healers the world has ever known.

The trouble I have reconciling Musk with any decency as a human being, is that I'm well aware that after a human reaches the age of reason, they no longer do anything without some sort of self serving ulterior motive.

Although I will concede, that as a camera wh*re, he is a distant second to the "reverend"Al Sharpton. <(And going forward, brace yourself, because that's likely the nicest thing you'll ever me say about him).

As for your posting, at least take the time to type a couple of extra words,to reference what you're talking about.

You may not ever like or agree with anything I say, but I will always give you the courtesy of a point of reference.
 
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captaincranky

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As stated and has been seen with other prototype launches there has to be something in the payload bay to simulate the weight. This was not only for PR but filled a role that had to be filled no matter what, and did some type of proof test for the air force regarding the van allen belts.
Be all that as it may, wouldn't it have been better to send telemetry equipment, and/or one of the new 400 mega-pixel Hasselblad cameras? I mean since this thing is supposedly going to tour the solar system, why not snap a few pics while it's at it?

After all they dumped 1/2 billion worth of electronics into the Indian ocean a couple of weeks ago. Why not gamble with house money? (That was a rhetorical question).


Nasa get's to go back to Saturn V with the SLS in a few years anyways, it makes me slightly angry they are using the same engines and SRB's from the shuttle but plan to scrap them each mission.
This should be self explanatory as to why bit wouldn't be a good idea to reuse a shuttle's solid rocket boosters. (Whether you're mad about it or not).

 
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As stated and has been seen with other prototype launches there has to be something in the payload bay to simulate the weight. This was not only for PR but filled a role that had to be filled no matter what, and did some type of proof test for the air force regarding the van allen belts.
Be all that as it may, wouldn't it have been better to send telemetry equipment, and/or one of the new 400 mega-pixel Hasselblad cameras? I mean since this thing is supposedly going to tour the solar system, why not snap a few pics while it's at it?

After all they dumped 1/2 billion worth of electronics into the Indian ocean a couple of weeks ago. Why not gamble with house money? (That was a rhetorical question).


Nasa get's to go back to Saturn V with the SLS in a few years anyways, it makes me slightly angry they are using the same engines and SRB's from the shuttle but plan to scrap them each mission.
This should be self explanatory as to why bit wouldn't be a good idea to reuse a shuttle's solid rocket boosters. (Whether you're mad about it or not).

IIRC they used to send big blocks of concrete for stuff like this, he is just smart by advertising Tesla at the same time. People love a gimmick
 
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captaincranky

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Disappointed again cranky with the personal drive by.
Nuh-uh, Cliff started it, or at least put the idea in my head.

I like SpaceX, don't get me wrong but you hate them way more than I like them.
Jeez, you haven't heard a word I've said. I don't hate Space-x or Tesla, it's Musk himself I despise.

You people have his function in relation to his "achievements" completely wrong. He's a high pressure bullsh!t artist. A rodeo clown whose job it is to distract the bull away from a thrown rider. Tesla loses 1/4 billion in a quarter, Musk is waving his arms in front of a camera leading it away from Tesla's losses, "kidz, look I'm going to design a spacesuit".

He's a techie's shaman, he's a carnival baker, he's a penny stock salesman, he just isn't the scientist you imagine him to be.
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Even what appears to be a huge success with his batteries in Australia, is predicated on a government / private industry relationship so corrupt, it would make anybody who could drop the price of energy even a bit, be perceived as "the second coming".

Musk talked Panasonic out of billions of dollars for "his" battery "Giga Factory", So those are literally Panasonic's batteries in that installation. Musk didn't invent lithium batteries either.

He's a unparalleled genius at fund raising, and self promotion, so give him the props there, not for "humanitarianism", or scientific achievement..
 
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captaincranky

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In any case, Musk should have gone with this Bowie song, "Moonage Daydream". (Done here by David in a mini-dress. I swear, he could make "the Village People" look straight)

 
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captaincranky

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People making errors when they're telling other people how smart they are is one of my favourite things on the internet.
Not my fault.t's is crap $8.00 M$keybord I'muing which constanl dropslettr <( See what I mean).

As smart as a whip tho you may be, don't think you're entitled to a more thorough proofreading that the next guy :p
 
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Badvok

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What a surprise it is seeing a certain friend of the moderators (or perhaps actually the moderator) spewing forth drivel, insults, and libellous allegations on a story about SpaceX/Elon Musk.
 

wiyosaya

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IMO, what would have been really challenging is to send the car to space, orbit Mars once, make the rocket return to Earth, then land the car safely and in working order. That is a technological challenge.

At least with that, he would have contributed to the possibility that he could safely bring back the dolts that he will gladly send to their possible deaths on his "make me the first person to send humanity to Mars" quest. Instead, he is trumpeting about how is car will be in space for possibly a billion years - a monument to his narcissism.
What a surprise it is seeing a certain friend of the moderators (or perhaps actually the moderator) spewing forth drivel, insults, and libellous allegations on a story about SpaceX/Elon Musk.
Wow! @captaincranky a moderator? That will keep me chuckling for a while.
 

wiyosaya

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This should be self explanatory as to why bit wouldn't be a good idea to reuse a shuttle's solid rocket boosters. (Whether you're mad about it or not).
I get what you are saying, but they did fix the problem with the SRBs - which was due to o-rings that were operated out of their temperature range, or you could say an over-zealous human (not unlike Musk) that made the decision to launch even though it was known that the temperature was near it's lower limit. There's an excellent movie about the investigation - IMO - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2421662/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_18

IMO, it is proven technology, including the F1 engine, that they do not have to spend more taxpayer money to reinvent.
 

DaveBG

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Its amazing! We are so lucky to live in the Musk era! One day people will read about this like we do now for the Egypt pyramids
 

wiyosaya

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Its amazing! We are so lucky to live in the Musk era! One day people will read about this like we do now for the Egypt pyramids
And quite possibly the person to go down in history as the first post-technological-revolution person to send people to their deaths for the sake of advancing humanity. It would be interesting to see what the history books say about this era.

Yet another possibility is that alien archaeologists ( the probability of that has gone way up with the discovery of planets in other galaxies - https://phys.org/news/2018-02-astrophysicists-planets-extragalactic-galaxies-microlensing.html ) find Musk's Tesla and a humanity-void earth in the not too distant future and say, "What a shame! This civilization was able to put a payload like this into space, but could not figure out how to live peaceably."
 
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GeforcerFX

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Be all that as it may, wouldn't it have been better to send telemetry equipment, and/or one of the new 400 mega-pixel Hasselblad cameras? I mean since this thing is supposedly going to tour the solar system, why not snap a few pics while it's at it?
Well it has cameras and radio equipment on it, not full blown badass camera's but we should be able to check in on it from time to time, and they will be tracking it's orbit.

This should be self explanatory as to why bit wouldn't be a good idea to reuse a shuttle's solid rocket boosters. (Whether you're mad about it or not).
One failure, when a bunch of engineers said don't go can't really be counted against the SRB's. They had one failure caused by publicity out of 135 launches. That seems more than reliable to me, but the main engines are really annoying that they are wasting them, we use to get 2-3 launches from the same engines. This will significantly lower the amount of times we can use SLS, meaning Falcon and ULA will be doing most of our LEO runs.
 

DaveBG

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And quite possibly the person to go down in history as the first post-technological-revolution person to send people to their deaths for the sake of advancing humanity. It would be interesting to see what the history books say about this era."
He never said the people will die. I am pretty sure the mission will be success and no one will be hurt. Yes they will not get back to Earth ever but living somewhere else does not mean death.