Starfield should be running better on Nvidia GPUs than it currently is

[SalmanIsHere]

Let's be honest. RT in Starfield is out of the question when performance is lower than Cyberpunk with RT enabled. It wasn't AMD who removed RT, it's Bathesda because of the piss poor performance on all platforms.

And it's stupid to say that AMD should not make PC GPUs. They may not have top tier performance, but from high-mid to low AMD is better on almost all price points. They had bad launch MSRP, but the market corrected itself fairly fast.

I understand ur viewpoint. But I do not agree.
The market is denying amd.

This is one of the reasons they will not be making over $400-500 GPU next gen.

For example-
I can buy a 4060 or a 7600. Both are equal in raster but 4060 is 20% faster in RT+Raster. But 4060 has DLSS and Frame Gen. DLSS looks same or better than Native(Techspot) whereas FSR Quality mode looks worse than DLSS Performance Mode(Techspot).

So, I can enjoy games at max setting with a 4060 but can not do so with a 7600. Then enable Frame Gen and boom 7700xt or 7800xt base-level performance on a $300 GPU with 100+ watts.
Amd knows this that is why they are gradually leaving GPU market and focusing on sectors they can profit and compete.

 

[Puiu]

I understand ur viewpoint. But I do not agree.
The market is denying amd.

This is one of the reasons they will not be making over $400-500 GPU next gen.

For example-
I can buy a 4060 or a 7600. Both are equal in raster but 4060 is 20% faster in RT+Raster. But 4060 has DLSS and Frame Gen. DLSS looks same or better than Native(Techspot) whereas FSR Quality mode looks worse than DLSS Performance Mode(Techspot).

So, I can enjoy games at max setting with a 4060 but can not do so with a 7600. Then enable Frame Gen and boom 7700xt or 7800xt base-level performance on a $300 GPU with 100+ watts.
Amd knows this that is why they are gradually leaving GPU market and focusing on sectors they can profit and compete.

"This is one of the reasons they will not be making over $400-500 GPU next gen."

From what we know from leaks, the reason why they aren't making a next gen 8900XTX is because of issues/bugs inherent with using multiple compute dies. Instead of delaying to fix it, they are skipping high end RDNA4 so that they focus on RDNA5 which has arhitectural changes that help with multiple compute dies (or at least with the issues that they found with RDNA4).

As for your 4060 vs 7600 comparison, on newegg the 4060 is 300$ and the 7600 is 260$ (similar raster and 15-20% slower RT for AMD). By the same logic you could look at the faster 6700xt which is about 330$, much better raster, trades blows in RT titles and also has more VRAM.

"The market is denying amd." - the 7800xt, which sold out on day 1 despite really good stocks from AMD, says otherwise. looking right now at amazon, the 6700xt is no 2 in sales. if they release a good product at the right price point then it will sell. people are tired of the crappy Nvidia prices.

 

[hahahanoobs]

They are in the sense that the hype and prices align with other AAA studios. Big problem as I see it is they rely way way too much on modders to finish their games for them.
I guess in the end it leads to lower costs and higher profits. And when you consider the last few titles they've released, that's their focus, profits over experience.
Which yeah... considering their competitors, they certainly are a modern AAA studio/publisher like EA or Ubisoft studios have proven to be.

Oh I pine for the days when studios/publishers were comprised of gamers, doing what they love. Making kick *ss games they'd want to play. Not your standard run of the mill, screw the consumer in every way possible capitalists most of them seem to be.

Relies on modders.
Developing for one console is too hard.

Sounds amateur to me.

 

[Burty117]

Then enable Frame Gen and boom 7700xt or 7800xt base-level performance on a $300 GPU with 100+ watts.

Have you actually tried frame generation? It's really not all that it's cracked up to be. It works "well enough" in a game like Witcher 3 where fast reactions aren't key and it just makes the game feel that little bit extra smooth. Make no mistake, there's definitely latency there but being third person, single player and not a twitchy game, it's fine enough.

Cyberpunk though, or any first person / online competitive games, frame gen is awful, I leave it off in Cyberpunk, It's dreadful, it makes your mouse feel spongy, the latency can't be overcome since it's inventing frames between frames.

It's not some magic wizardry that instantly makes your games actually run at much higher framerates, even worse, it works best when you already have a high framerate, lower framerates it's even worse.

 

[SalmanIsHere]

"This is one of the reasons they will not be making over $400-500 GPU next gen."

From what we know from leaks, the reason why they aren't making a next gen 8900XTX is because of issues/bugs inherent with using multiple compute dies. Instead of delaying to fix it, they are skipping high end RDNA4 so that they focus on RDNA5 which has arhitectural changes that help with multiple compute dies.

As for your 4060 vs 7600 comparison, on newegg the 4060 is 300$ and the 7600 is 260$ (similar raster and 15-20% slower RT for AMD). By the same logic you could look at the faster 6700xt which is about 330$, trades blows in RT titles and also has more VRAM.

"The market is denying amd." - the 7800xt, which sold out on day 1 despite really good stocks from AMD, says otherwise. if they release a good product at the right price point then it will sell. people are tired of the crappy Nvidia prices.

Not true at all. You will see as time goes. Amd made very few 7800xt and 7700xt.

Have you actually tried frame generation? It's really not all that it's cracked up to be. It works "well enough" in a game like Witcher 3 where fast reactions aren't key and it just makes the game feel that little bit extra smooth. Make no mistake, there's definitely latency there but being third person, single player and not a twitchy game, it's fine enough.

Cyberpunk though, or any first person / online competitive games, frame gen is awful, I leave it off in Cyberpunk, It's dreadful, it makes your mouse feel spongy, the latency can't be overcome since it's inventing frames between frames.

It's not some magic wizardry that instantly makes your games actually run at much higher framerates, even worse, it works best when you already have a high framerate, lower framerates it's even worse.

Ya, It's amazing. Most of this latency stuff is spread by amd fanboys.
4060 ti vs 3090 ti on 1080p ultra rt+raster.
Same fps but 4060 ti uses 1/3rd power.

 

[neeyik]

Bethesda has announced that it will be adding DLSS to Starfield:



Edit: Oops -- serves me right for not paying attention to our own news!

Bethesda confirms DLSS and other highly requested features are coming to Starfield

A minor Starfield hotfix from this week comes with a promise from Bethesda to eventually add DLSS, a FOV slider, an HDR calibration menu, 32:9 ultrawide monitor...

www.techspot.com

 

[Burty117]

Ya, It's amazing. Most of this latency stuff is spread by amd fanboys.
4060 ti vs 3090 ti on 1080p ultra rt+raster.
Same fps but 4060 ti uses 1/3rd power.

What? I have a 4090, I've tried it all out, Frame Gen kinda sucks, especially for first person games. Let alone if anything competitive comes along. It was nice to have on in Witcher 3, just made the camera slightly smoother, but I wouldn't call it "game changing" in Cyberpunk I couldn't keep it on, when I needed to twitch aim to the next target, it just doesn't feel right. everything feels slightly off.

Out of curiosity, do you have a 40 series card and used it? Or are your opinions based on videos? Something I find with Frame Gen, there's this tendency to see "framerate go up, me likey" from reviews and videos out there, but not enough people talking about the actual experience with it, maybe that's because most people don't have it on?

 

[Puiu]

Not true at all. You will see as time goes. Amd made very few 7800xt and 7700xt.

Ya, It's amazing. Most of this latency stuff is spread by amd fanboys.
4060 ti vs 3090 ti on 1080p ultra rt+raster.
Same fps but 4060 ti uses 1/3rd power.

Reports indicate (and from sales numbers) that the 7800xt and 7700xt had really good stocks at launch and that it was the most successful launch of a GPU in quite some time.

As for input latency, I am very sensitive to it. It's why playing sub 60FPS feels unplayable to me. I have zero issues turning on DLLS or FSR, but when I tried DLSS3 (I have a 3070 laptop) it felt like I went backwards a lot in terms of playability.