Steve Wozniak slams "dishonest" Elon Musk and Tesla, says they robbed him and his family

I think I'm starting to like Musk a little more now. Woz can go f**** himself. Here is the thing about investing, don't invest what you can't afford to lose. Also, the whole market is down, shut up. If you can't live off your many billions then you can come live off my wage
There are always people who value people like Edison more than Tesla.
 
On the one hand, Woz should have known better.

On the other hand, you can go coast-to-coast using nothing but Interstate highways, which have standardized lane markings, standardized signage, limited vehicle access (no side streets, driveways, or parking lots, only onramps, offramps, and vehicles on the shoulder), no pedestrian access, and even limits on grade and curve tightness. Given the limited scope (compared to being able to drive on any arbitrary road with sometimes non-standard signage), I could see thinking they could have had something ready.

I have to agree with Woz -- Jobs was a showman, but everything he'd demo and talk up was actually a working product that was ready to ship; Tesla is a showman, but likes to talk about what he assumes is possible.

I have learned to ONLY buy a product based on what it can do now, not on any promises of what it will do in the future; sometimes those future promises actually come through; sometimes those future promises are strictly vaporware based on the marketing dept. just claiming stuff without asking the engineers; sometimes, the company are jerks and just decide they're going to drop support rather than add promised features; sometimes, the programmers/engineers find the features are difficult to impossible to add.

I recall a storage array a few years back where they promised it would support deduplication with a future update. The thing had very low RAM, like 128MB or something, and they could not get everything to fit but figured they'd find some "fat to trim" and get it all to fit. After about 6 months they admitted the system simply didn't have enough RAM to support the additional features and it was not going to get them.
And that’s what consumers should always do. If they don’t, they’re either not very smart with their money or have money to blow.

About the difference between Musk and Jobs, I’m with you. But the one distinction I’ll make is that Jobs would never talk about what they were planning to do. He would only unveil something when it’s ready or almost ready.

Musk on the other hand is much more open about what he thinks and what he plans for the future even 10 years out. For instance I expect almost nothing in his “Master Plan: Part 3” to come to be in the next 3-5 years.
 
Elon scum
WOZ ultra rich white dude
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yawn ..

all people with more than 10-billion in worth should be f*orced* to donate 1 million/year to scholarships forever or het out of the country.
The schools have tons of scholarships, they are just not giving them out, they would rather have the money from student loans and let their scholarships draw interest!!🤬🤬
 
Fully autonomous driving is like fusion: always 20 years away. Maybe then I can get a car that needs no driver or fuel.....:laughing:

Its just too many variance. However those things are constantly learning. Alot of data is submitted back to Tesla in order to create or help putting out new updates and safety.

It is a solid (good) safe car. Safer then the rest. Because they dont have to have an engine upfront and can use the available space to design a good solid crumple zone.

I'm not a fan of electric either; but we cant go on pollute half of the world with fossil fuels.
 
Elon sells things which do not work 100% of the time.
Jobs (and thus Wozniak to some degree) are selling garbages, over and over, over and over.

Boohooo steve!
 
Elon sells things which do not work 100% of the time.
Jobs (and thus Wozniak to some degree) are selling garbages, over and over, over and over.

Boohooo steve!
Are you in a group home or what ? Tesla and SpaceX are lightyears ahead of any other auto company or space company.
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Wozniak, who once said he might have been patient zero for US Covid-19 infections,
What is even the point of this sentence. It has no relevance in this context and it blatantly would affect the uncritical reader's opinion of Wozniak as a person. It's just blatant ad hominem.
 
Did Woz actually believe a Tesla could go coast to coast - with no human input in 2017?- I suppose if it just stayed on I10 for the whole way.
Woz must of been partially aware of the current state at the time

Don't the driverless taxis only exist in highly mapped cities ?

I think that USA DOD autonomous vehicle competition - get a vehicle from A to B over rough terrain and roads is interesting - but all the edge cases in towns - roadworks , policemen signaling , pedestrians , kids, dogs - the need to reverse for poor drivers, sun strike , weird shapes/shadows - probably still 5 years off at least
"the CEO said would allow it to drive coast to coast without driver intervention by the end of 2017" Did you read the article?
 
Are you in a group home or what ? Tesla and SpaceX are lightyears ahead of any other auto company or space company.
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Wrong on both counts. The technology behind the ISS and alternative EVs (like Lucid) is lightyears ahead of Tesla.

When Elon decides to build cars properly is when I'll take him seriously.
 
The entire society as a whole is always to blame for everything.
Not according to research conducted by professors at Harvard and Northwestern. They found that 90% of the American public is invisible to the US Congress, when it comes to enacted policy versus what that 90% want.

They found that that isn't new.

Most of the 90% do not believe in revolution for a variety of reasons, such as the likelihood that the corrupt people who will be replaced won't be replaced with equally corrupt people. Then, there is the fact that the armed forces' civilian operation (known as policing) has paramilitarized.

Elites are to blame for the political situation because they control it. The masses are simply along for the ride, whether they want to be or not. Elites, in fact, are the ones who actually revolt. George Washington and friends didn't come from the working class.
 
Steve, the head is given to think and invest your savings correctly. If you already have no head, and your consultants are *****s or immoral, then whose problem is it?

I am not an AI specialist, but being a professional software developer, I have known for a long time that AI is simply impossible in the next 50 years, which means that autopilot, as its derivative, is also impossible.

I understand that ordinary *****s believe in all this, often paying with their lives on the road. But you, Steve, should understand this an order of magnitude more and even better at times than I do. Then why are you whining in the press that you were deceived by the fraudster Musk? You are dishonoring yourself and your reputation with such statements. Leave quietly, fixing losses in a deliberately losing enterprise.
You don't even need to be a software developer to do some research and look at the actual reality of fully automated driving to realize it's not that close to being a reality. I think Tesla has made great products, but with all the hiccups of any cutting edge innovation. I laugh that they this clown Woz thinks Jobs is on a higher moral highground...Because Apple has never had any deceptive marketing tactics...they'd never do something like say make something totally proprietary so no one can repair it or modify it...
 
If in general, then yes - more important is a common vision of the current state of science and technology. A person must have sufficient horizons and update the key reference points in the head according to it in time.

But professional knowledge and experience in software development provides additional benefits of understanding the nuances of possible progress (and the time frame of the available level) that completely elude ordinary people.

In any direction of human activity, only a pro understands the nuances that decide everything...
 
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