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The big elephant in the room: Tesla's battery costs the same as a brand new mid size car!!
I noticed that when I posted here!Well isn't this a switch: Scavengerspc is attacking EVs, and I'm defending them.
True but complaints about Teslas quality isn't doing them any favors.Tesla's battery warranty has gone from 4yr/50K miles to 8yr/150K miles, with a 12 year/unlimited mile warranty on body corrosion. The range has increased, while both price and charging time have decreased. In 2014, Tesla scored the lowest of all automakers, according to the JD Power Initial Quality Survey. Today, they score higher than Volkswagen, Volvo, Mitsubishi, Audi, and Chrysler.
Actually, a little of both.were you simply intending to substitute snark for logic
That is true, but that battery will probably last longer than the mid-size smoke pump. In my opinion too many folks fail to take that into consideration.The big elephant in the room: Tesla's battery costs the same as a brand new mid size car!!
I am definitely with you on this. The exciting EVs that are to come will not be from Tesla but from "boring" car companies like Hyundai/Kia, Toyota, Honda, even GM at some point, that have mastered a basic level of reliability.And I'm definitely not down on EVs, but I am down on Tesla.
The industry needed someone to create yet another DISPOSABLE item that this world previously didn't really have. Enter: Premiere Con-Man Elon Musk to sell you an overpriced, garbage car, that won't last more than 10 years before serious maintenance or overhaul is needed on the battery and other high-ticket items. Tesla's are purposefully designed to entice the younger generation that are on board with the GREEN AGENDA of Socialism/Communism, electric-everything, and doing their part for the planet (nevermind where electricity comes from). These cars are made to be disposable, remember, own nothing and be happy.
So basically - A Tesla is scrap after 10 years. So much for their 'green' credentials.
This.This is why you don't want a remotely controlled computer that controls your entire car.
And This.1. I hate warranties. They seem to screw you more than help you.
2. We still need better battery technology.
wowI first read this story a couple weeks ago, and I'm still struck by this snowflake -- whose identifies himself as "Mario Zelaya, a Canadian ax-thrower and entrepreneur" -- incredible sense of entitlement. The car is 10 years old, meaning the battery lasted double its warranty period. Yet he drove it to the shop demanding a free one? And the only reason he wound up "locked out" of the vehicle was that he ignored the battery warning signal for months, until it failed entirely.
Now 99% if this was a ICE powered car (gasser) it would have made it well past 77K...
The bigger elephant - outside of viral outiler cases you will never need to change it ever...The big elephant in the room: Tesla's battery costs the same as a brand new mid size car!!
Yep. And the vast majority of packs will simply lose capacity... and will still be worth quite a bit for stationary storage. When they are finally completely expended, they are still worth a good bit as refined raw materials.The bigger elephant - outside of viral outiler cases you will never need to change it ever...
I will certainly *never* buy a tesla, that's for sure! In fact, I will try to stay away from EVs as long as possible to avoid being scammed and gouged at the same time!
Hell, the world is really going to sh...!![]()
Yes, I get it, but I'm really not sure the manufacturing of EVs and batteries is really a better thing... Think about the pollution it generates just for lithium and the other rare metals that are needed, along with environmental/human issues. I guess one way or another, there will never be any ideal "solution" to the problem of human activity as long a reducing pollution/carbon footprint is seen as a cost and not as something desirable and positive in the long term. We're heading towards a "Soylent green" kind of future IMHO, and it's 2022... But, hey, the worst is not always bound to happen, for now, it's more likely than not.Sheesh, the bats are out tonight!
The world has been "going to fecal matter" for a long time now.
That's why we are trying with renewables and EV's.
That's not the point. If there was a manufacturing fault that made the part fail and that fault was from WITHIN the warranty period, the manufacturer should have to rectify it even if the fault was not formerly diagnosed until after the warranty lapsed. If the evidence from prior inspections etc proved the fault existed before the warranty lapsed for example.I first read this story a couple weeks ago, and I'm still struck by this snowflake -- whose identifies himself as "Mario Zelaya, a Canadian ax-thrower and entrepreneur" -- incredible sense of entitlement. The car is 10 years old, meaning the battery lasted double its warranty period. Yet he drove it to the shop demanding a free one? And the only reason he wound up "locked out" of the vehicle was that he ignored the battery warning signal for months, until it failed entirely.
Several fallacies here. First of all, every manufacturing defect by definition exists from the moment of manufacture, which is certainly "within the warranty period". By the loose definition used here, every vehicle failure in history happened due to a preexisting "defect" which caused a part to eventually fail. By your logic, manufacturers should be responsible for any and all these, , now and forever.That's not the point. If there was a manufacturing fault that made the part fail and that fault was from WITHIN the warranty period, the manufacturer should have to rectify it even if the fault was not formerly diagnosed until after the warranty lapsed. If the evidence from prior inspections etc proved the fault existed before the warranty lapsed for example.
Who cares if the battery didn't work.... but if you PLUG in the Car, it should power the door-locks and other things, along with also charge the car.
Engineering snafu.... or at least design your car with expensive door locks like all other cars, so you can mechanically open them with a freaking key
I'm sure you mean the problems such as the connections to air pollution and environmental damage.Current technology is not suitable for creating electric cars. It's ridiculous how they want to force an idea without having a solution to so many problems
Shell, ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP and Conoco Phillips strongly agree with that.Guess if anyone can make money off of it that's fine..
But why? Are you as equally upset that FFV's are multitudes worse as far as environmental impact?To make EVs viable, batteries need to be at least twice their current density and not rely on lithium or cobalt.