Tesla refreshes the Model 3 with improved range, a heated steering wheel, and more

ColdSoup

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Seriously...no proper dashboard display swings it for you? Why is that?
It does. I don't like the style and it does remove the ability to comfortably see speed, range info, GPS, media information, and energy use. I hate looking sideways to try and see the center tablet.

Currently, I can control pretty much everything I want to in my car with physical buttons on the steering wheel with info displayed on a little screen in the center of my instrument cluster.
 

mbk34

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You do realize that electric cars actually predate internal-combustion ones -- they were sold in the 1800s, and it wasn't until the early 1900s that gas cars overtook them in popularity.
Of course I do. And how does does that alter anything in what I said?
 
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Endymio

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Of course I do. And how does does that alter anything in what I said?
There are many things that give me the sense of future technology-- AI, genetic engineering, suborbital rockets. But given that we've been hooking up electric motors to batteries in cars for a century and a half, that just isn't one of them.
 

Tempus

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I'll say this once again and I understand we are a non-standard use case. Until they get close to 400 miles on a charge, the charge only takes 5 or 6 minutes and there are as many charging stations as there are gasoline pumps, this is a non-starter for me. We take 6 to 8 trips a years where we do 900+ mile days and I can't even count the number of 400-500 mile trips we take in between (with destinations no where remotely close to a charging stations). Love to have an EV, especially a Tesla, however they and the rest of the industry just do not have what we need yet.
 
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Gastec

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The model 3 was the 12th best selling car regardless of price during the first half of 2020 and the top selling car among luxury car brands. If you combine aggregate sales of all car models for BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and Lexus, the Model 3 (presumably Tesla overall as well) comes in 5th.

I'd call that a good achievement considering how long the big name luxury brands have had to iterate designs and refine marketing strategies. I still won't buy a Model 3 because it doesn't have a proper dashboard display or instrument cluster, but hopefully Tesla will correct this or just make a Model S closer to entry level luxury car pricing.
So far Volkswagen Polo is the 3rd best selling car in Europe in 2020 and Dacia Sandero is the 10th. Both are automobiles that a normal person living in a block of flats can use on a daily basis. But don't get me wrong, if I was rich I would have my Tesla and a Porsche 911 Turbo S in the garage of my villa.
 

p51d007

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A WHOLE thirteen miles more! WOW! Boy! That makes a huge difference LOL.
Has anyone looked to see how they achieved such a big increase? Better motors/batteries?
Or...did they just make it LIGHTER WEIGHT?
 

mbk34

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There are many things that give me the sense of future technology-- AI, genetic engineering, suborbital rockets.
I'm not sure I've seen any impressive AI outside of game playing programs, we seem to be as far away now from real AI as we were in the 80's. Genetic engineering has become very real with CRISPR but I'm not sure whether it promises a good future or a terrifying one. I suspect suborbital rockets simply sound futuristic but offer almost nothing to anybody.

I don't think cars will be be part of our future either. Considering the amount of money people spend on cars, their depreciation, insurance, taxes etc you'd think we'd get more from them. I live in a large city where most of the cars I see are parked in the street unused. People look at 0-60 times and top speed but the average speed in London is now apparently 7mph which makes a bicycle faster. I suspect the future will be more like Uber with automated vehicle just appearing when we want one to take us to our destination. They'll almost certainly be electric too.
 

Endymio

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I suspect the future will be more like Uber with automated vehicle just appearing when we want one to take us to our destination. They'll almost certainly be electric too.
I think that's an astute observation ... but its not going to be anytime in the next decade or so. The battery technology is nearly there, but we lack both the generating and the charging capacity. Charging stations can be built quickly, but generation will of course lag behind.
 
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I think that's an astute observation ... but its not going to be anytime in the next decade or so. The battery technology is nearly there, but we lack both the generating and the charging capacity. Charging stations can be built quickly, but generation will of course lag behind.
His post was astute in more ways than one- Uber has announced they will only work with drivers who use electric vehicles beginning in 2030, and many/most European countries as well as California and New York have announced they wont allow new non EVs after 2035 or 2040.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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The "VW Group" (VAG, actually) isn't luxury curs for the most part. That group includes Audi and Ducati, Bentley and Bugatti sure (with the majority of that being Audi) but the majority of those sales are probably Volkswagen, Skoda and SEAT. Not exactly comparative to a Model 3, let alone the S...
The model S...Tesla's ONLY vaguely 'Luxury' car sold all of 17,000 units in 2019.
BMW 5series in the US alone. 38,000.
Don't get me wrong....I WANT the electric car to succeed, but over-egging Tesla's pudding does it no favours. What makes it worse is that the US engineered a coup against a democratically elected leader in Bolivia, to secure cheap Lithium supplies for Tesla at the expense of the Bolivian people - Which Musk subsequently boasted about.
 
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netman

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I've had a Model 3 since April of 2018. I pay about $2000/year less for fuel than I did with the Audi S4 it replaced. The out-the-door price does not paint the whole picture at all. The all-in price of a Model 3 over 10 years of ownership is about the same as that of a car that cost $10-20K less up front.
Did you account for battery replacement after 10 years...?!
 
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Endymio

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when we stop subsidizing the fossil fuel companies...
No matter how many times this factoid is repeated, it still remains false. Externalities are not subsidies... especially mostly imaginary externalities.

Carbon taxes are coming.
God help the economy if that day ever arrives. Thankfully, in the US at least, it is as remote as ever.

Uber has announced they will only work with drivers who use electric vehicles beginning in 2030
And, like all other starry-eyed wildly impractical commitments for the far future, that date will be missed again and again.