Tesla sued for allegedly faking odometer readings to avoid warranty repairs

[sreams]

I find the story a little hard to believe. Why would they bother to calculate mileage by any method other than number of wheel rotations. It would also be very easy to prove - just drive a mile and see how far the car says it's travelled. The fact that no-one is showing this proof suggests the story is made up. One of the selling points of Tesla is how reliable they are - most owners seem to say they cover 100's of thousands of miles and do nothing except change tyres and windscreen wipers.

One possibility might be the wheel size setting for the car might be wrong. If it's set to a 22" wheel size but the car is actually using 18" wheels and the vehicle uses wheel rotations to calculate mileage (like every other vehicle) then a 70 mile run would show up as nearly 90 miles because the wheel is rotating more.

The only thing really wrong with Tesla is Elon.

Except that wheel diameter does not determine this. Tire diameter does. A Model 3 with 18" wheels from the factory has 235/45R18 tires (45mm sidewalls). The factory 20" wheels use 235/35R20 (35mm sidewalls). The circumference difference between these two tires is 0.8%.

 

[sreams]

I strongly suggest you don't take court actions if you are so naive

I have never said if this guys claim is right or wrong . Face value logs of same journeys having different total amounts seems strange

As for easy to spot, lots of poor reasoning skills then. Gaslighting would not work in your world then
If Tesla was guilty it would only do it to very select individuals . If someone was checking logs from day one, they would likely be excluded - ie this guy went back over data

Car companies have cheated on MPG in testing , phone companies the same.

Anyway as stated lots of people can now check logs - and if so, lawyers can build up a statistical database.

Unless for other reasons - as an ordinary grind you only bring a a very expensive lawsuit if 99% sure of winning - if 80% and not deep pockets enjoy losing and paying their 100 thousand dollar plus legal fees - ie it's a brutal system - lots of companies though "guilty" get off on a technicality , no jurisdiction , no damage as you are a nothing and who caes

It would be extremely easy to prove/disprove this without checking any logs (and thus without alerting Tesla). Simply run Google maps in parallel and compare distances. I seriously doubt Tesla would be dumb enough to do something that is so easily detectable as this.

 

[kiwigraeme]

It would be extremely easy to prove/disprove this without checking any logs (and thus without alerting Tesla). Simply run Google maps in parallel and compare distances. I seriously doubt Tesla would be dumb enough to do something that is so easily detectable as this.

That's why I said I hope they did some independent testing

and as for dumb - it's like Elon wants to crash Tesla
Ignoring his suck up to dictators and right wing fascists
Cybertruck his baby is a complete flop, even Tesla doesn't want them back
Internal Tesla reports that robo taxis unlikely to be profitable - and that was before Tesla's death spiral

Plus never underestimate Elons stupidity - he has got away with a lot of dodgy stuff, so why not try more.
I mean mistreating employees in Germany- that works well in USA with a docile and compliant workforce and Doge gutting all the departs that regulate the likes of Tesla

 

[toooooot]

Tesla does not do it intentionally. The main problem is their cars are too smart to use just traditional sensors. They have multiple systems that require a lot more than those sensors older gasoline cars use.
If this comes out to be true, I do not doubt they will fix it. They use too much technology which allow for such things as automated driving and many more features. But everything comes with a price.
I would personally never want to keep a tesla past its warranty expiration; it seems like a nightmare to deal with repairs.

 

[whateversa]

I find the story a little hard to believe. Why would they bother to calculate mileage by any method other than number of wheel rotations. It would also be very easy to prove - just drive a mile and see how far the car says it's travelled. The fact that no-one is showing this proof suggests the story is made up. One of the selling points of Tesla is how reliable they are - most owners seem to say they cover 100's of thousands of miles and do nothing except change tyres and windscreen wipers.

One possibility might be the wheel size setting for the car might be wrong. If it's set to a 22" wheel size but the car is actually using 18" wheels and the vehicle uses wheel rotations to calculate mileage (like every other vehicle) then a 70 mile run would show up as nearly 90 miles because the wheel is rotating more.

The only thing really wrong with Tesla is Elon.

Tesla is well known for poor quality and terrible service. Don't fall for the Elon scam. The more you read, the more you will see this going back years.

 

[Str8Shot]

As a reminder, Elon Musk is NOT the founder of Tesla. Martin Eberhart & Marc Tarpenning are the REAL founders of Tesla in 2003. I know, because I’ve met them, and drove their Tesla Roadster at the time when they visited my engineering college.

Elon Musk is a poser and con-artist, one for the record books I may add. He’s no “genius” as his witch mother Maye Musk calls him.

 

[lonetac]

Look out everyone, random internet detective is on the case and has it already figured out!

Why would the person in the article file a lawsuit if his claims are false and made up according to you? Sounds like a huge waste of time and lawyer fees if that's the case. Why would he be asking for class action status? That's not something you get granted just by randomly asking for it.

Here's a crazy idea, why don't we wait and see how this lawsuit plays out and what evidence is discovered and presented? Or would just just take the internet detective's word for it, right?

"Trust me bro" isnt good enough for you?

 

[nitebird]

I feel like this lawsuit is very easy to gather evidence for. No subpoenas for emails or documents needed, just drive a Tesla and measure the distance independently and compare with Odometer. I hope they've done their work already though, since Tesla can always do an OTA update and make it more accurate and pretend nothing was wrong.

 

[AnilD]

This could get messy. If mileage isn’t tied directly to wheel rotation or GPS, and instead involves behavior-based estimates, it opens the door to massive warranty manipulation — and potentially a whole class of misrepresented used EVs on the resale market.

 

[OortCloud]

Awful cars and styled like a 1980's Vauxhall Astra. A colleague of mine had a Tesla. It spent more time at the garage or being recalled than in his possession.

 

[JuanDegr]

So Tesla measures miles by prediction? Let THAT sink in

Do they also measure revenue by weight?

We live in a crazy **** world.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Awful cars and styled like a 1980's Vauxhall Astra. A colleague of mine had a Tesla. It spent more time at the garage or being recalled than in his possession.

Your comment got he thinking about 1980s UK Car manufacturer , most of them were dreadful, I think USA wasn't much better , nor french for that matter, Probably only Japan holding it together then . ie you could buy a classic Japanese 1980 car and keep it as stock and have reliability - your Astra ,and was it an Austin princess - junk , Jaguar couldn't make a reliable car. Range rovers also in the garage, the stock land rover is maybe an exception
Not a motorhead but engineers knew how to make good cars, USA/UK but bean counters had other ideas USA 1001 flavours of crap - but have your choices of colours/trim etc so all good.
Weird my parents bought a Valiant chrysler manual slanted V6 about 1969, with maintenance that car could go for 1 million miles plus easy - maybe swap shocks, redo clutch etc

 

[Nobina]

Who cares? Only snobs buy Teslas.

 

[wiyosaya]

Let's forgive you this less than well thought out comment.
Looks like you're genuinely confused and can't figure out why, so let me elaborate. This is simply an episode of the massive smearing campaign against Musk. Nobody expects this guy to win, but the 'lawsuit' allows for ridiculous articles like this to flood the woke media. Do you think the beneficiaries of the billion dollar frauds Elon is stopping mind paying the lawyer fees???

You're certainly free to believe that its a "massive smear campaign" by the "woke" media. IMO, fElon needs no help from anyone smearing himself. At that, he's quite skilled.

And while you are focused on pronoun usage, fElon and others are doing a great job of destroying democracy in the US, and using the US Constitution to wipe the from their butts. Yet, those conservatives who supposedly fiercely support the US Constitution are silent on the issue. Why?

There are 5+ million Tesla cars on the road, driving ~80 billion miles per year. Do you seriously believe a mileage scam that's so easy to spot could remain unnoticed for so long, until this guy finally figured it out?
Oh, wait ... there were also a "Reddit user" and "Another person on Tesla's forum". This changes everything.

Yes. Maybe more people should believe something like "The Left supports Post Birth Abortions" or "Migrants are the cause of ALL of the problem in the US" or "Firing tens of thousands of government employees will save money and improve efficiency."