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The Best Graphics Cards 2016: TechSpot's top picks for every budget
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OcelotRex
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Is there a source for this claim?
Google nvidia kepler drivers downgrade
Some good results:
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/...epler-performance-in-favour-of-maxwell.57111/
http://www.overclock.net/t/1529108/are-nvidia-neglecting-kepler-optimization-since-maxwell-release
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...pler-gpus-performance-in-favor-of-maxwell-/1/
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2one2z/discussion_has_nvidia_forsaken_kepler_cards_has
To put that shortly: if GTX 780 is slower than GTX 960, then there's something VERY wrong on GTX 780 drivers.
Burty117
Posts: 5,105 +3,678
Sorry guys, I'm busy now, I'll leave you all with Hard "If someone offered me a 1080 or RX460 I'd choose the RX460 because future proof" Reset
You obviously didn't realize this guide was written for people who are Buying something, not for those who are getting something for free. Your post tells much about Nvidia fanboys.
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,568 +5,207
Ahhhh... nice to see HardReset has hijacked another GPU thread... You'd think he was employed by AMD, but anyone who argued that poorly would quickly be fired.
I also love how he provided "sources" for his argument that Kepler has gotten slower.... Anyone actually READ those sources though? Turns out they are inconclusive at best, with 0 evidence that Nvidia is crippling their older cards... The only way to PROVE that a card has "gotten slower" is to test it with the SAME TITLE with an older driver, then a newer driver version... None of your sources do that - they are simply people posting in forums...
And HardReset, for those of us who are looking to BUY a new video card - the article says it all... Nvidia is the way to go right now, as the AMD offerings simply don't compare
I also love how he provided "sources" for his argument that Kepler has gotten slower.... Anyone actually READ those sources though? Turns out they are inconclusive at best, with 0 evidence that Nvidia is crippling their older cards... The only way to PROVE that a card has "gotten slower" is to test it with the SAME TITLE with an older driver, then a newer driver version... None of your sources do that - they are simply people posting in forums...
And HardReset, for those of us who are looking to BUY a new video card - the article says it all... Nvidia is the way to go right now, as the AMD offerings simply don't compare
I didn't hijack anything. It's not my fault Nvidia fanboys don't like anything that is not promoting Nvidia.
So benchmarks are not proving anything? That's OK for me but keep it that way.
No, we don't need that kind of test. Try to explain why GTX 780 3GB is slower on some games than GTX 960 2GB? Difference on raw processing power is huge.
And HardReset, for those of us who are looking to BUY a new video card - the article says it all... Nvidia is the way to go right now, as the AMD offerings simply don't compare
AMD is way to go as AMD represents future and Nvidia past. Article is made by Nvidia biased writer, that has been proven many times. Only Nv*****s diagree with that fact.
OcelotRex
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It's not only that - I've seen those postings before that rely on the TechPowerUp graphs as "evidence." The supposed proof is based on a faulty premise as the graphs are based on a comparison of a different card where the more current card is the 100% and the other cards are then compared to that card. The results are not static and therefore the differences in percentages are not accurate measures of "lost performance."
The comparison by TechPowerUp for each card alone; one cannot take the older ones and accurately make any conclusions unless they are tested head-to-head.
Squid Surprise
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Except that this article has given Nvidia the recommendation for every category except budget - and that's only because Nvidia's 1050 isn't out yet...
They do... but as I said, only benchmarks using the SAME card on the SAME title(s) with DIFFERENT drivers will actually prove if a card has "gotten" slower... You'd think that would be common sense...
Because the 960 is a newer card, with newer technology in it... so newer titles will leverage newer cards better... duh... let's try the same 2 cards on an older title and see who wins... duh... the 780...
What we DO know is they BOTH cream the equivalent AMD card....
At the rate AMD is going, they might not have much of a future - they can't compete with Nvidia with their GPUs nor can they compete with Intel on the CPU side.... Don't get me wrong, I WANT them to succeed, as competition can only be good - but alas, unlike you, I look at reality and it doesn't look so bright for AMD.
And sorry HardReset, the only people who believe your "fact" are AMD fanboys who keep losing in the present, and hold out for a win in the future - which doesn't have to be proven...
MoeJoe
Posts: 837 +442
AMD is failing? What a joke.
They are powering all three console mfg's into the future and their GPU card range is doing just fine.
While on vacation I've entered computer shops in Barcelona and London and new cards from AMD were nowhere to be found.There is such a big demand so nobody even expects prices to be at MSRP level, so Steven is right about price brackets. It's true that GTX 1080 has no competition, but in my opinion GTX 1060 3GB does not even compare to RX470 8GB and besides power consumption, R9 Fury Nano is a way better option than GTX 1070 mini and the future will show that.After some reading, my conclusion is that the wave of Nvidia supporting articles was triggered by the fact that Nvidia is losing market share to AMD.
dirtyferret
Posts: 898 +1,271
Much like cookies and sprinkles, Nvidia cards are for winners.
Not only that. We see $200 GTX 960 2GB (2015) to beat $700 GTX 780 3GB (2013) in some games.
Similar example from AMD side?
Article is written by Nvidia fanboy so you are using Nvidia fanboys article to "prove" something.
We can also have another point of view. Nvidia's 2013 28nm $700 card with superior specs is slower than 2015 28nm $200 dollar card with much lower specs. That clearly proves that Nvidia's GPU's lose much of value on very short time and that although Nvidia has cards with good specs, they somehow can make it run slowly.
Newer architecture yes but GTX 780 has so much more processing power that what you said don't actually make much sense. Make similar comparison between AMD cards (older card with great specs vs new card with much worse specs but newer architecture) and you must go very far until you get same results as GTX 960 vs GTX 780.
Nvidia is years behind AMD on GPU side. Just look at Vulkan and DX12 performance. DX11 is historuy, no matter how you put it. Zen will bring AMD back into CPU race. Intel of course will win in the end. If not making better CPU, bribing manufacturers. As seen on past.
How is AMD losing in the present? Current DX12/Vulkan games prefer AMD. DX11 games are more like history. Yes, I know many still play very old games like CS:GO (2004 engine) or very poorly optimized World of Tanks but perhaps those who play ancient games are not interested in fast graphic cards either.
Squid Surprise
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And so the crazy comes out in force... the author is NOT an Nvidia fanboy - Steve recommends AMD when there is reason to do so (see the budget section) - there just isn't any reason to do so with this year's lineup.
And I already told you why your "sources" were simply a bunch of malarkey... You can't prove a card's drivers are slowing it down unless you actually run the SAME THINGS with different drivers!!! This isn't exactly rocket science!
As for "how does the 960 lose to the 780 when the 780 should be superior"?
Same way the superior Nvidia cards occasionally lose to AMD cards - different titles leverage different cards...
In general, however, the 780 still outperforms the 960 - just like Nvidia cards generally outperform their AMD counterparts.
And let's go to your craziest comment now... "How is AMD losing in the present?" Let's spell it out for you... BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR CARDS ISN'T AS GOOD AS THEIR NVIDIA COUNTERPART!!!
Sorry for the caps, but I'm beginning to think that perhaps you don't read so well, so I'm regressing to Grade 1 reading level for you
amstech
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MoeJoe
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And so the crazy comes out in force... the author is NOT an Nvidia fanboy - Steve recommends AMD when there is reason to do so (see the budget section) - there just isn't any reason to do so with this year's lineup.
And I already told you why your "sources" were simply a bunch of malarkey... You can't prove a card's drivers are slowing it down unless you actually run the SAME THINGS with different drivers!!! This isn't exactly rocket science!
As for "how does the 960 lose to the 780 when the 780 should be superior"?
Same way the superior Nvidia cards occasionally lose to AMD cards - different titles leverage different cards...
In general, however, the 780 still outperforms the 960 - just like Nvidia cards generally outperform their AMD counterparts.
And let's go to your craziest comment now... "How is AMD losing in the present?" Let's spell it out for you... BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR CARDS ISN'T AS GOOD AS THEIR NVIDIA COUNTERPART!!!
Sorry for the caps, but I'm beginning to think that perhaps you don't read so well, so I'm regressing to Grade 1 reading level for you
Triggered.
GeforcerFX
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I would still take a RX470 or RX480 over any 1060 model, in 6 months I can add another card. With the GTX 1060 I get to try and sell my card then get a 1070 to upgrade performance. Even in the single card race the 1060 3gb was so close to the rx470 that I would take the 470 for $20 cheaper now and have the expansion in the future. Before people say it yes I know the hassle and shortcomings of SLI and CFX but I still prefer it over not having the option at all.
Burty117
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You also realize two RX470's or RX480's are slower than a single 1070 yeah?
So you'd have to deal with more issues AND you'd be worse off in heat, power and performance for the same price as a 1070?
Ok, just wanted to clear that up...
Squid Surprise
Posts: 5,568 +5,207
Nvidia doesn't support SLI on the 1060 much like they no longer support 3 or more cards in SLI.... Has anyone tested to see if the 1060 can be put in SLI? I would suspect that the answer is yes.... Just because something isn't supported doesn't mean it isn't possible...
YSignal
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Just gonna leave this here:
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...eral-titles-see-boots-in-performance.2486639/
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...eral-titles-see-boots-in-performance.2486639/
OcelotRex
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Sony, Microsoft and who else?
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/232402-nvidia-not-amd-will-power-the-nintendo-nx
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/report-nintendos-nx-is-a-tegra-powered-hdtvportable-hybrid/
All the reporting I read was a tegra chip in the NX.
Adhmuz
Posts: 2,342 +1,186
So Much Verbal Diarrhea! I think I actually got a headache after reading all that crap, seriously, people need to stop wasting their time with this guy, he'll NEVER succumb to reason or logic. He's convinced himself he's fighting a fight that people care about when in fact NO ONE cares about he's opinions anymore. I'm honestly hoping the moderators step in and clean this up because it's so pointless, meaningless and endless.
What I do know, is I'll be avoiding buying anything from both Nvidia and AMD for a while, for real future proofing I'm going to wait for the future to see what comes out and not waste any time arguing over cards that I have no intention of buying. Also I'm waiting for the next big thing from a new upstart graphics company that will leave both AMD and Nvidia in the dust.
What I do know, is I'll be avoiding buying anything from both Nvidia and AMD for a while, for real future proofing I'm going to wait for the future to see what comes out and not waste any time arguing over cards that I have no intention of buying. Also I'm waiting for the next big thing from a new upstart graphics company that will leave both AMD and Nvidia in the dust.
treetops
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@HardReset "If someone offered me a 1080 or RX460 I'd choose the RX460 because future proof"
This shows your completely inept. I bought a r9 280 when it was the best for my buck, it came with 3 aaa titles, which I sold to recoup some cash. Now I own a 970, I snagged it off ebay last year for 250$. Instead of ignorantly defending inferior cards maybe you should check some benchmarks? Take a computer class, get informed. Maybe take a look at wikipedia.
This shows your completely inept. I bought a r9 280 when it was the best for my buck, it came with 3 aaa titles, which I sold to recoup some cash. Now I own a 970, I snagged it off ebay last year for 250$. Instead of ignorantly defending inferior cards maybe you should check some benchmarks? Take a computer class, get informed. Maybe take a look at wikipedia.
GeforcerFX
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https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/
Against the 1070 it seemed pretty mixed, as long as the game supports cfx the dual 480's usually ended up beating the 1070 at 1 resolution, vs 1080 it lost pretty much every time. It does show the frustration I was talking about, with CFX and SLI support. But being able to buy the card now and then to expand later is something I value even with the hassle. I only put aside $10-15 a month for gaming and hardware, it would take me a long time to make up that difference to buy the $450 1070 and that whole time I am stuck with my 5 year old cards.
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