The US now asks foreign visitors to hand over their social media details

[Skidmarksdeluxe]

Like any policy that has its basis in utter paranoia, they would likely call you a liar since no one in this day and age can survive without social media.

Whoops. Somebody forgot to tell me that. Well I haven't done too badly without it. Maybe I'll make a good study case for the experts to try figure out why I'm immune to the disease. I'll charge them for it though.

 

[davislane1]

What a bunch of crap. Who says that muslims could not just refuse to list their religion or lie about it - especially those extremely rare few who would be potentially problematic? Religion is fluid, and can change at any time whether or not such change is truly inspired. Ergo I call bullsh!t on this bit of short-sightedness, muslim entry ban, and muslim registration.

All you have is cookie cutter talking points. Literally the same stuff that has been trotted out ahead of every single Muslim terrorist attack that has happened in America and Europe for 5 years now.

The fact that you claim to think religion is "fluid" (on a macro scale) and evidently inconsequential to matters of safety and culture and the legal system demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of not only this issue, but how and why the nations of the world and their people function as they do. Moreover, that you would identify actual terrorists and rapists as "potentially problematic" is more than demonstrative of your complete detachment from reality.

86 dead in Nice - "Problematic"

12 dead at the Berlin market - "Problematic"

32 dead in Brussels - "Problematic"

49 dead in Orlando - "Problematic"

14 dead in San Bernardino - "Problematic"

55 no go zones in Sweden - "Problematic"

"Arabs only" in Bosnia - "Problematic"

1,000 sexual assault in one night in Cologne - "Problematic"

1,400 child rapes in Rotherham - "Problematic"

The list goes on, the bodies keep piling up, and your response is that scrutinizing the population responsible for it is paranoia.

It isn't Germans running around Europe establishing Jewish no-go zones. It isn't Japanese day laborers running around Britain raping children for sport. It isn't Canadians who are going to German festivals and committing sexual assaults en-masse. It isn't Aboriginals who are driving trucks into unsuspecting crowds of men, women, and children. And it isn't gun-toting Texans walking into crowded airports and detonating bombs. It is exclusively Muslims from the Mid-East and Africa and those with significant ties to those regions.

Frankly, it is an embarrassment that so many men in the West are willing to stand by and do absolutely nothing while their women and children are assaulted, raped, and killed. Talk about being asleep on the job.

The new administration will reach heights of paranoia, stupidity, and fear that have never been seen before in a US administration. This policy is the start.

Right wing populism has been sweeping across Europe and America and it grows in power every time a radical Muslim assaults or kills an infidel. This policy isn't anywhere near the start. That I can tell you.

 

[Kunming]

Just to avoid quoting the whole post.

@davislane1
"It isn't Germans running around Europe establishing and Jewish no-go zones. It isn't Japanese day laborers running around Britain raping children for sport. It isn't Canadians who are going to German festivals and committing sexual assaults en-masse. It isn't Aboriginals who are driving trucks into unsuspecting crowds of men, women, and children. And it isn't gun-toting Texans walking into crowded airports and detonating bombs. It is exclusively Muslims from the Mid-East and Africa and those with significant ties to those regions."

By your logic, the rest of the world should also scrutinize americans wherever they go. Probably with a colonoscopy examination, given the many terrorist attacks the US has carried out.

US/EU brought all the stuff you mentioned, on themselves. Not necessarily individual citizens, but instead, their politicians. Although a complacent populace has a stake in this too. I'm going to assume, until you tell me otherwise, that you believe in american exceptionalism. That is, that your country doesn't have to follow the rules because it's special, pretty much never does something malicious on purpose and that most things which are bad, are just "accidents" or very close to it. Again, until you tell me you think otherwise.

So tell us, what about the american terrorism? Do you acknowledge there is such a thing? The one inflicted upon many nations around the world at this stage, under various guises such as "they're Communist" and now "they're terrorists" and so forth. Because I can tell you, the links which you (rather nicely too) provided and formatted, are next to nothing compared to even just the Iraqi death toll:

From wikipedia: "Madeleine Jana Korbel Albright[1] (born Marie Jana Korbelová; May 15, 1937)[2][3] is an American politician and diplomat. She is the first woman to have become the United States Secretary of State. She was nominated by U.S. President Bill Clinton on December 5, 1996, and was unanimously confirmed by a U.S. Senate vote of 99–0. She was sworn in on January 23, 1997."

SHE is quoted as saying that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children, mainly due to the UN sanctions, was "worth it".

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072100-03.htm

Imagine that.

Or what about all the Vietnamese the us GIs raped in the Vietnam war? Or the Japanese that they raped and killed in Okinawa, due to the military bases there? Not to mention that you guys kill each other a lot anyway, due to the high gun crime in the US. Or heck, what about the US support (via arms sales) for Indonesias slaughter of the people of East Timor? Or what about the innocent people of Diego Garcia, who were forcefully removed by the UK and US, to make way for a military base? Leading to those people being forced into abject poverty and many dying, simply due to the horrible circumstances:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-vine/the-truth-about-diego-gar_b_7585546.html

Or what about all the innocent people who got dragged out of their homes in the middle of the night, in Afghanistan and Iraq? Whereby some then get sent to prisons to get tortured.

Do tell me, if you consider this at all. Because honestly, if you don't acknowledge that your country (you're american yes?) has been a great cause of the above-listed terrorist attacks, then you're simply a hypocrite, with all due respect. Sure, what many Muslims have done and continue to do in many nations around the world, aren't nice. But you could at least balance things out a lot more, instead of making it seem like the EU/US are just innocent victims or *largely* victims. Because they're not.

 

[davislane1]

Sure, what many Muslims have done and continue to do in many nations around the world, aren't nice.

Because attaching a bomb to your seven year-old daughter and blowing her up is "not nice." Your moral compass is so corrupt it's sickening.

Do tell me, if you consider this at all. Because honestly, if you don't acknowledge that your country (you're american yes?) has been a great cause of the above-listed terrorist attacks, then you're simply a hypocrite, with all due respect. Sure, what many Muslims have done and continue to do in many nations around the world, aren't nice. But you could at least balance things out a lot more, instead of making it seem like the EU/US are just innocent victims or *largely* victims. Because they're not.

Let me spell this out for you, because you don't seem to be able to get the hint. I am going to put it in bullet points so as to avoid any confusion.

I am a nationalist, so I believe, among other things, the following:

• A nation is its people.
• Nations have a right to establish their own laws.
• Nations have the right to their native cultures.
• Nations have the right to non-interference from foreign entities.
• Nations have the right to determine who comes in and who doesn't.
• Nations have the right to defend themselves, preemptively if necessary.
• The rights and merit of natives in a nation are of a higher priority than foreigners within that nation.
• Political leaders who violate these rights are guilty of violating the rights of the people.

This list should be more than sufficient for anyone capable of basic reasoning to determine what my views are towards any given instance of U.S. meddling in the third world and beyond.

Whether you find this hypocritical or balanced matters less to me than the average core temperature of Pop Rocks on the moon.

 

[Kunming]

Because attaching a bomb to your seven year-old daughter and blowing her up is "not nice." Your moral compass is so corrupt it's sickening.



Let me spell this out for you, because you don't seem to be able to get the hint. I am going to put it in bullet points so as to avoid any confusion.

I am a nationalist, so I believe, among other things, the following:

• A nation is its people.
• Nations have a right to establish their own laws.
• Nations have the right to their native cultures.
• Nations have the right to non-interference from foreign entities.
• Nations have the right to determine who comes in and who doesn't.
• Nations have the right to defend themselves, preemptively if necessary.
• The rights and merit of natives in a nation are of a higher priority than foreigners within that nation.
• Political leaders who violate these rights are guilty of violating the rights of the people.

This list should be more than sufficient for anyone capable of basic reasoning to determine what my views are towards any given instance of U.S. meddling in the third world and beyond.

Whether you find this hypocritical or balanced matters less to me than the average core temperature of Pop Rocks on the moon.

Neither is sending your sons and daughters off to foreign countries in the us military "nice". Or just using drones to bomb weddings and funerals.

I like that bulleted list. But it still skips the question of whether you can acknowledge the US has committed what is called terrorism. Sure, you may not think the US should meddle in other countries' affairs, but that doesn't mean you also think that the reasons for doing so anyway or what was carried out, were wrong. You do after all say that nations have the right to defend themselves; which conveniently covers a lot of things, such as if you consider 9/11 an attack on you and thus illegally invade Iraq. It's funny we need to determine your views, when it would be quicker just to state them. It's like, yeah nice bulleted list, I kinda wish more people would do that. But yet again, you just quoted an article regarding something bad Muslims have done and thus you still say very little, pretty much nothing it seems, about your own country or countrymens crimes/atrocities.

Do you acknowledge the US has carried out terrorist actions? Terrorist because if anyone else did them, we would call it terrorism.

No worries, few people would be surprised if an american didn't care about hypocrisy. It's what the us is founded upon after all.

 

[davislane1]

I like that bulleted list. But it still skips the question of whether you can acknowledge the US has committed what is called terrorism. Sure, you may not think the US should meddle in other countries' affairs, but that doesn't mean you also think that the reasons for doing so anyway or what was carried out, were wrong.

I am a nationalist, so I believe, among other things, the following:

• A nation is its people.
• Nations have a right to establish their own laws.
• Nations have the right to their native cultures.
• Nations have the right to non-interference from foreign entities.
• Nations have the right to determine who comes in and who doesn't.
• Nations have the right to defend themselves, preemptively if necessary.
• The rights and merit of natives in a nation are of a higher priority than foreigners within that nation.
• Political leaders who violate these rights are guilty of violating the rights of the people.

This list should be more than sufficient for anyone capable of basic reasoning to determine what my views are towards any given instance of U.S. meddling in the third world and beyond.

It's funny we need to determine your views, when it would be quicker just to state them.

I am a nationalist, so I believe, among other things, the following:

• A nation is its people.
• Nations have a right to establish their own laws.
• Nations have the right to their native cultures.
• Nations have the right to non-interference from foreign entities.
• Nations have the right to determine who comes in and who doesn't.
• Nations have the right to defend themselves, preemptively if necessary.
• The rights and merit of natives in a nation are of a higher priority than foreigners within that nation.
• Political leaders who violate these rights are guilty of violating the rights of the people.

This list should be more than sufficient for anyone capable of basic reasoning to determine what my views are towards any given instance of U.S. meddling in the third world and beyond.

But yet again, you just quoted an article regarding something bad Muslims have done and thus you still say very little, pretty much nothing it seems, about your own country or countrymens crimes/atrocities.

No worries, few people would be surprised if an american didn't care about hypocrisy. It's what the us is founded upon after all.

See:

Whether you find this hypocritical or balanced matters less to me than the average core temperature of Pop Rocks on the moon.

Given that you cannot distinguish the moral differences between war casualties (military and civilian) and strapping bombs to little girls, cannot distinguish between the moral and strategic differences inherent to terrorism and military warfare, and insist that anyone speaking out against Islamic terrorism play the "disavow" game for the sake of being "fair and balanced," it is abundantly clear that you are ill-equipped to speak on any of these issues.

If anything, you sound sympathetic to the jihadis, stopping just shy of an endorsement. One wonders where you originate (ancestrally), given your TechSpot profile is private and you seem so convinced Americans and Europeans deserve to be slaughtered by the busload:

Because honestly, if you don't acknowledge that your country (you're american yes?) has been a great cause of the above-listed terrorist attacks, then you're simply a hypocrite, with all due respect. Sure, what many Muslims have done and continue to do in many nations around the world, aren't nice. But you could at least balance things out a lot more, instead of making it seem like the EU/US are just innocent victims or *largely* victims. Because they're not.

Subsequent responses will be ignored. I do not engage in discourse with people who think it is "hypocritical" to defend against the rape and murder of women and children "because their parents were asking for it." Sick.

 

[Kunming]

See:
Given that you cannot distinguish the moral differences between war casualties (military and civilian) and strapping bombs to little girls, cannot distinguish between the moral and strategic differences inherent to terrorism and military warfare, and insist that anyone speaking out against Islamic terrorism play the "disavow" game for the sake of being "fair and balanced," it is abundantly clear that you are ill-equipped to speak on any of these issues.

If anything, you sound sympathetic to the jihadis, stopping just shy of an endorsement. One wonders where you originate (ancestrally), given your TechSpot profile is private and you seem so convinced Americans and Europeans deserve to be slaughtered by the busload:
Subsequent responses will be ignored. I do not engage in discourse with people who think it is "hypocritical" to defend against the rape and murder of women and children "because their parents were asking for it." Sick.

Lol, feigned moral and intellectual high-ground. Not to mention you dodged my question again. Who's ill-equipped? Run away from the discussion, go on. It's what so many people do, when faced with something or someone who questions the accepted dogma.

I've already expressed sympathy for victims of all kinds. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that you display. Strapping bombs to little girls sure is terrible and so is bombing weddings, as the US has done. That's not "warfare" lol. That's terrorism. So what I'm saying is, you're one-sided as hell and that if you ACTUALLY cared about the murder of those women and children, then surely you would hate it, REGARDLESS of who's doing it and for what reason(s). Including your own country. But you don't, apparently.

My larger point is, that you're no better than the jihadis in many ways; at least not on a country-wide scale. You can't even acknowledge that your country has committed acts of terrorism. But that's typical of many americans - it's how your society and media work. Much like I presume the jihadis can't accept other arguments, as they're from the "infidels". It's dogma, just from someone else. There's complaints about others, but you don't consider your own stake in things; instead you explain away your own crimes. It's quite amazing to witness how, when I link to *actual* things which happened (as you did) and point out the double-standard, to you, that's the equivalent of nearing an endorsement. How sick is that? Like, how is what happened on Diego Garcia war-related? It's not. People were simply told to leave their home and thus thrown into poverty and death, as in many other cases. Or what about the dictators your country supported in Latin america? Also not war, but again there's casualties.

But keep ignoring reality, you're good at it.

 

[gnpfrslo]

Oh the land of the mindless following and the home of the fearmongering.
If it wasn't because of all the political drama of today, the congress would've prohibited alcoholic beverages by now, because it went so well the last time they did, right? Only difference between this and recent policies it that it doesn't affect the average USer in their personal leisure time to do anything about it, or are too lazy and/or worried about completely inconsequential matters to do anything anymore.

I mean, sure; I am planning a terrorist attack on my next visit to the US, me, an arab who has turned to terrorism because obviously I have access to all the basic needs as established by the standards of the developed countries and so, obviously, has a social media account; let's post things about that on my facebook wall so everyone knows who did it instead of doing so purely in representation of my ideals. Because it is definitely these people and not edgy teenagers spreading anti-establishment propaganda on social media.

 

[GirlDownunder]

1) invasion of privacy. If the USA can "boogey-man" people about agreeing to this, then you're being-stripped-of-human-rights bar is being set so low you'll be tripping over it as you get out of bed in the morning.

2) Oh yes. I'm quite certain that ALL terrorists make ALL of their social media accounts using their OWN, actual ID & would NEVER EVER think to use a fake name, VPN, or anything like that, right?

Right-o, carry on losing your rights to fear-mongering.

 

[MonsterZero]

Now that Obama's gone and President Trump leads the way, It's time to finally get more serious about how we handle foreign visitors - especially from regions where we have troubles.

Health of the public, specifically needs special monitoring to reduce the likelihood of the spread of certain diseases by the unvaccinated.

Ebola should have never been able to spread at all, once it was recognized.

Border Control is a legitimate function of the US government and now that Obama's gone, it's time everyone realizes that.

The issue is although it sounds like a good idea in a vacuum, it's largely impossible and expensive to enforce.

Look at Zika, it quickly spread around the world because of the time an effort required to identify the virus in potential visitors. The testing and identification methods would have to be enforced globally to be effective.

Trump will have no better a chance than Obama when trying to enforce any global policy.

Also, the social media identification is optional, and not to mention ineffective.

 

[MonsterZero]

not being able to find the needle in an ever growing haystack.

Ergo, a ban on Muslim entry.

You do realize not all Muslims are terrorists right? Or are you still riding that race card...

 

[JudasSheep]

See:
Given that you cannot distinguish the moral differences between war casualties (military and civilian) and strapping bombs to little girls, cannot distinguish between the moral and strategic differences inherent to terrorism and military warfare, and insist that anyone speaking out against Islamic terrorism play the "disavow" game for the sake of being "fair and balanced," it is abundantly clear that you are ill-equipped to speak on any of these issues.

If anything, you sound sympathetic to the jihadis, stopping just shy of an endorsement. One wonders where you originate (ancestrally), given your TechSpot profile is private and you seem so convinced Americans and Europeans deserve to be slaughtered by the busload:
Subsequent responses will be ignored. I do not engage in discourse with people who think it is "hypocritical" to defend against the rape and murder of women and children "because their parents were asking for it." Sick.

Lol, feigned moral and intellectual high-ground. Not to mention you dodged my question again. Who's ill-equipped? Run away from the discussion, go on. It's what so many people do, when faced with something or someone who questions the accepted dogma.

I've already expressed sympathy for victims of all kinds. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that you display. Strapping bombs to little girls sure is terrible and so is bombing weddings, as the US has done. That's not "warfare" lol. That's terrorism. So what I'm saying is, you're one-sided as hell and that if you ACTUALLY cared about the murder of those women and children, then surely you would hate it, REGARDLESS of who's doing it and for what reason(s). Including your own country. But you don't, apparently.

My larger point is, that you're no better than the jihadis in many ways; at least not on a country-wide scale. You can't even acknowledge that your country has committed acts of terrorism. But that's typical of many americans - it's how your society and media work. Much like I presume the jihadis can't accept other arguments, as they're from the "infidels". It's dogma, just from someone else. There's complaints about others, but you don't consider your own stake in things; instead you explain away your own crimes. It's quite amazing to witness how, when I link to *actual* things which happened (as you did) and point out the double-standard, to you, that's the equivalent of nearing an endorsement. How sick is that? Like, how is what happened on Diego Garcia war-related? It's not. People were simply told to leave their home and thus thrown into poverty and death, as in many other cases. Or what about the dictators your country supported in Latin america? Also not war, but again there's casualties.

But keep ignoring reality, you're good at it.

I'll be your huckleberry. Yes, WE the United States have committed violence and "imhumane" or "unethical" actions against other nations and peoples. Does that make you feel better? I am going to guess by all your posts and knowledge of events in Asia, that you are Asian. Please tell me if I am wrong. From which Asian nation I do not know, but from your extensive knowledge of transgressions against the Japanese by Americans, that you are said of Japanese origin. Yes, I am flat out asking your nation of origin. You seem to have no issue calling out the US, for the things we have done, yet you neglect that Japan committed some of the worst atrocities in the modern age. *cough* Nanking *cough*. If you want to pull out the red card on US, you cannot over look the history of the country you are trying to defend. You brought up the Japanese interment camps. I happen to live not 1hr from one. I can tell you it is a MILLION times better than a POW camp in Burma or a concentration camp in Europe during that time. I can agree and admit that how it was done and how they were treated, despite being American's was wrong. I can admit that how my USA treats a lot of places and peoples is wrong, but I am not the one calling the shots and if I were to use my Constitutional given rights (read gun rights) to do something about it, I can tell you I wouldn't get very far unless the nation as a whole agreed with me. Which if you are completely blind, no one in this nation sees everything the same. Trust me though, I would love to clean out the garbage from our government. When our leaders have a sub 25% approval rating, something needs to change!

So did I appease you? Have I given you the warm fuzzy you have been seeking, by admitting the US is no better than some of the countries my government says is bad? When in fact it is better! You can use all the ISMs you want to call my country this or that, it will not deter me from saying the USA is the best place on earth. I have served and been to some of the **** holes we have created and I will tell you what, there are people there who thank us for what we do. There are people who realize we give them a chance. You can bring up all rapes by US GIs you want, but the majority do not. You can bring up the dictators we have installed or turned a blind eye to, but ask those people, person to person if it's better than who was there before them. Get your head out of your ideological sand box like the rest of the world and see things for what they are. There is evil out there and the only way to combat it is with evil. Collateral damage happens. Innocence dies. For every dictator killed a new one arises and every mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

No matter where you are from, you will thank the US for something. I am pretty sure the medium you have chosen to speak on (the internet and computer) was made possible by the very countries you are speaking against.

Have a wonderful day and I still love you, fellow human being.

 

[davislane1]

You do realize not all Muslims are terrorists right? Or are you still riding that race card...

Not all Germans were Nazis. What's your point?

 

[captaincranky]

Lol, feigned moral and intellectual high-ground. Not to mention you dodged my question again. Who's ill-equipped? Run away from the discussion, go on. It's what so many people do, when faced with something or someone who questions the accepted dogma.

I've already expressed sympathy for victims of all kinds. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that you display. Strapping bombs to little girls sure is terrible and so is bombing weddings, as the US has done. That's not "warfare" lol. That's terrorism. So what I'm saying is, you're one-sided as hell and that if you ACTUALLY cared about the murder of those women and children, then surely you would hate it, REGARDLESS of who's doing it and for what reason(s). Including your own country. But you don't, apparently.

My larger point is, that you're no better than the jihadis in many ways; at least not on a country-wide scale. You can't even acknowledge that your country has committed acts of terrorism. But that's typical of many americans - it's how your society and media work. Much like I presume the jihadis can't accept other arguments, as they're from the "infidels". It's dogma, just from someone else. There's complaints about others, but you don't consider your own stake in things; instead you explain away your own crimes. It's quite amazing to witness how, when I link to *actual* things which happened (as you did) and point out the double-standard, to you, that's the equivalent of nearing an endorsement. How sick is that? Like, how is what happened on Diego Garcia war-related? It's not. People were simply told to leave their home and thus thrown into poverty and death, as in many other cases. Or what about the dictators your country supported in Latin america? Also not war, but again there's casualties.

But keep ignoring reality, you're good at it.

I'm only quoting you as an entry point to the conversation. I am abundantly disinterested in what you care about, what you think, feel, or believe.

Stories change over the course of years. A PBS show about WW2 one time, featuring Japanese citizens saying, (after we dropped a couple of A-bombs on them), "I feared we were fighting an inhuman enemy". Now, that's hypocrisy elevated to a high art. Hey we didn't start the war, Hey, it wasn't us who led "the Bataan death march", it was the Japanese. It wasn't us commuting suicide by flying dynamite lined aircraft into battle ships, at the behest of some looney tune, (oops, I mean emperor), bent on world domination. It was the Japanese. Get it?

As far as GI's "raping Vietnamese girls during that war", I'm not saying it didn't happen. But there was just as much propositioning being done by Vietnamese children, at the behest of their hooker parents. "Hey GI, you want f*** my mommy, she a virgin", I think was the way quite a bit of that went.

So, if a American drone strikes a wedding, funeral, or Muslim farting contest, where a high ranking officer in "Isis" is in attendnce, get used to: 1 being more careful about who you hang around with at parties. 2: distance yourself from your radical friends AND relatives. You see, it won't be us driving trucks into crowds of uninvolved innocent shoppers and pedestrians. But if you're standing next to an Osama Bin Laden when a drone hits, you're simply acceptable collateral damage.

And like I told you last night, when you were claiming "the US is the biggest threat to world peace", If whatever backward, Podunk, sh!thole you're from, had the firepower, they'd more than aggressively want to take our #1 position. Which is really ironic, since most of the dogma Islamic radicals are spouting these days, was "yesterday's news", back in the 7th century.

 

[Kunming]

I'll be your huckleberry. Yes, WE the United States have committed violence and "imhumane" or "unethical" actions against other nations and peoples. Does that make you feel better? I am going to guess by all your posts and knowledge of events in Asia, that you are Asian. Please tell me if I am wrong. From which Asian nation I do not know, but from your extensive knowledge of transgressions against the Japanese by Americans, that you are said of Japanese origin. Yes, I am flat out asking your nation of origin. You seem to have no issue calling out the US, for the things we have done, yet you neglect that Japan committed some of the worst atrocities in the modern age. *cough* Nanking *cough*. If you want to pull out the red card on US, you cannot over look the history of the country you are trying to defend. You brought up the Japanese interment camps. I happen to live not 1hr from one. I can tell you it is a MILLION times better than a POW camp in Burma or a concentration camp in Europe during that time. I can agree and admit that how it was done and how they were treated, despite being American's was wrong. I can admit that how my USA treats a lot of places and peoples is wrong, but I am not the one calling the shots and if I were to use my Constitutional given rights (read gun rights) to do something about it, I can tell you I wouldn't get very far unless the nation as a whole agreed with me. Which if you are completely blind, no one in this nation sees everything the same. Trust me though, I would love to clean out the garbage from our government. When our leaders have a sub 25% approval rating, something needs to change!

So did I appease you? Have I given you the warm fuzzy you have been seeking, by admitting the US is no better than some of the countries my government says is bad? When in fact it is better! You can use all the ISMs you want to call my country this or that, it will not deter me from saying the USA is the best place on earth. I have served and been to some of the **** holes we have created and I will tell you what, there are people there who thank us for what we do. There are people who realize we give them a chance. You can bring up all rapes by US GIs you want, but the majority do not. You can bring up the dictators we have installed or turned a blind eye to, but ask those people, person to person if it's better than who was there before them. Get your head out of your ideological sand box like the rest of the world and see things for what they are. There is evil out there and the only way to combat it is with evil. Collateral damage happens. Innocence dies. For every dictator killed a new one arises and every mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

No matter where you are from, you will thank the US for something. I am pretty sure the medium you have chosen to speak on (the internet and computer) was made possible by the very countries you are speaking against.

Have a wonderful day and I still love you, fellow human being.

No, you'll be my snuggleberry!

Sure it makes me feel a tiny bit better. Although you didn't actually say you had committed terrorism - which was what I'd really like. Inhumane and unethical still seem a little weak, compared to just saying terrorism, since that's what it is and was, a lot of the time. Which I presume most americans still can't actually admit, because it appears no one ever tells them. In american culture, the us is always the good guy and either never does something bad or only does so because it's an accident or "we had to", for a greater cause. Which is false. But thanks to the wonderful workings of the media, people don't get those perspectives. Likewise, if one critiques the us, many will just reply with "ur juz jealous" and then continue chanting "usa! usa!" lol.

I don't have an issue calling out the US, because unlike Japan, the US is still causing huge problems in the world and then blaming others for it. While Japan doesn't quite do so. It doesn't have a blue water Navy for example, so it can't harass countries on the other side of the earth and then claim it's just protecting international law - like you-know-who. Although of course Japan routinely pisses off Asian neighbors precisely because it doesn't [properly] own up to the evils which you [correctly] mentioned that it has carried out. Besides that, there's some small island disputes with China and Russia. But otherwise Japanese society is pretty damned evolved and they don't interfere in the way the us does. Hence they don't deserve neither as much blame nor focus.

Yea, the POW camps might be fine - but the point was exactly as you alluded to, that all those "precious rights" didn't mean a thing, when it really mattered.

You're also absolutely right the filth needs to be cleaned out, but that people need to agree with you first. But therein lies the problem: most americans don't seem to know what the hell their government is doing half the time and even when they do, it's sold as if it's a good thing. Reality is routinely distorted in very clever ways. For instance, american journalists can, completely without irony, lambaste Russia for hacking the US election, even when there's apparently no hard evidence and even when the US has frequently overthrown democratic governments. Not "hacked". But actually overthrown, with violence, death and destruction - for no reason, beyond "power". But no one mentions that. In the same vein, US leaders have no troubles telling countries like China not to be aggressive or not to hack, when it's the US who runs the NSA and had the Snowden leaks, as well as runs warships through Chinese-claimed waters lmao. Or how the US can seriously tell the media that they're a stabilizing force in this whole South China Sea dispute and then place THAAD anti-missile systems in South Korea; directly affecting China. It's just crazy. But if you've been brought up on a steady diet of "Communism is bad", "Russia is bad", "China is bad", "Iran is bad" and "look at these terrorists, they're bad", then you're probably going to support it.

You can keep saying the US is the best place on earth. I have no interest in prohibiting your freedom of speech. After all, it's wrong anyway on most metrics lol. But if it's a good enough place for you, then good for you, I hope you live a long, prosperous and happy life with your friends and family. Just don't go telling other countries you're so good or that you're a "beacon of hope" or that your democracy is somehow a landmark achievement or something, because that's complete BS.

I'm sure you can find plenty people who will say what you've done in, say the ME, is good. Congrats. Because the millions of others who got killed, also thanks to what you did, might say otherwise. But who speaks for them? The dead? Few. So maybe that's confirmation bias - at least to some extent. Yes, collateral damage happens and innocents die - but that's because of yer drone strikes on weddings and funerals eh and other unnecessary things. Fact is, if good people like you, could somehow stop your government doing stupid ****, you wouldn't have half the problems you have now. But as Dr.Phil says, first you have to admit there's a problem . But how? Your media lies to you at least half the time and people feel powerless - if the low voter turnouts are anything to go by. Despite, as you said, crazily unpopular leaders.

Did a marine (or what branch are you?) just say he loves me? Hahahaha, see now that is more impressive than a lot of things.

We should be thanking the Chinese and British, for the industrial revolution and things like paper firstly . In the end, we're all pushing humanity forward. But ultimately, it would be nice if we could have much more REAL democracy in doing so. Switzerland has an interesting model...

Happy New Year bro

 

[Kunming]

I'm only quoting you as an entry point to the conversation. I am abundantly disinterested in what you care about, what you think, feel, or believe.

Stories change over the course of years. A PBS show about WW2 one time, featuring Japanese citizens saying, (after we dropped a couple of A-bombs on them), "I feared we were fighting an inhuman enemy". Now, that's hypocrisy elevated to a high art. Hey we didn't start the war, Hey, it wasn't us who led "the Bataan death march", it was the Japanese. It wasn't us commuting suicide by flying dynamite lined aircraft into battle ships, at the behest of some looney tune, (oops, I mean emperor), bent on world domination. It was the Japanese. Get it?

As far as GI's "raping Vietnamese girls during that war", I'm not saying it didn't happen. But there was just as much propositioning being done by Vietnamese children, at the behest of their hooker parents. "Hey GI, you want f*** my mommy, she a virgin", I think was the way quite a bit of that went.

So, if a American drone strikes a wedding, funeral, or Muslim farting contest, where a high ranking officer in "Isis" is in attendnce, get used to: 1 being more careful about who you hang around with at parties. 2: distance yourself from your radical friends AND relatives. You see, it won't be us driving trucks into crowds of uninvolved innocent shoppers and pedestrians. But if you're standing next to an Osama Bin Laden when a drone hits, you're simply acceptable collateral damage.

And like I told you last night, when you were claiming "the US is the biggest threat to world peace", If whatever backward, Podunk, sh!thole you're from, had the firepower, they'd more than aggressively want to take our #1 position. Which is really ironic, since most of the dogma Islamic radicals are spouting these days, was "yesterday's news", back in the 7th century.

It's funny you need to go back nearly a hundred years to find something to complain about for the Japanese isn't it? ..... While whatever you've done, I can probably reference from last week. Or just yesterday in some cases! Lmao.

Haha, good thing about the GI thing. I can see it's totally acceptable to lose your moral compass when someone asks nicely huh.

So basically you're supporting the very same brand of terrorism and worldwide assassination as ISIS does. K then - I guess you're no better than a given ISIS leader, mindset wise. If that's your views, I'd like to say it's insane. It's american, but very insane. Just the same as your nonsense about taking your 1# position. I mean, are you guys really so insecure about yourself lol? Do people like you seriously think others just wanna overtake you? Bro. . . First of all, you're not number 1 in many places except military anymore hahaha. Press freedoms? 40th or such since I last checked. HDI? Ehhh bye. Economic inequality? Ehhhh. This is why your country creates terrorists: because when you guys don't have an official enemy, you dunno what to do with yourselves LOL. Noticed how we had the Mujahedeen, then Al-qaeda and now ISIS? With China on the horizon too, even though they've practically done nothing to you, except best you economically. Typical d!ck fear.

 

[MonsterZero]

Not all Germans were Nazis. What's your point?

There is no point to make because you obliviously don't see the problem.

 

[captaincranky]

It's funny you need to go back nearly a hundred years to find something to complain about for the Japanese isn't it? ..... While whatever you've done, I can probably reference from last week. Or just yesterday in some cases! Lmao.

Haha, good thing about the GI thing. I can see it's totally acceptable to lose your moral compass when someone asks nicely huh.

So basically you're supporting the very same brand of terrorism and worldwide assassination as ISIS does. K then - I guess you're no better than a given ISIS leader, mindset wise. If that's your views, I'd like to say it's insane. It's american, but very insane. Just the same as your nonsense about taking your 1# position. I mean, are you guys really so insecure about yourself lol? Do people like you seriously think others just wanna overtake you? Bro. . . First of all, you're not number 1 in many places except military anymore hahaha. Press freedoms? 40th or such since I last checked. HDI? Ehhh bye. Economic inequality? Ehhhh. This is why your country creates terrorists: because when you guys don't have an official enemy, you dunno what to do with yourselves LOL. Noticed how we had the Mujahedeen, then Al-qaeda and now ISIS? With China on the horizon too, even though they've practically done nothing to you, except best you economically. Typical d!ck fear.

You know it all, you know all about what morality should be, you know what we should be doing in the world. You think you know what we've done to the rest of the world, and how you could have done it better.

All of those qualifications don't make you the expert you think you are, more like a self righteous a**hole.

The only thing I've actually seen the Muslim religion integrate well with, is the American prison system. Particularly our home grown black Muslims. It gives them an excuse to drop everything they're supposed to be doing, and go the the "mosque"and pray. And we put up with it, we call it "freedom of religion".

It's a convenient belief system, for useless people who do nothing more for society than demand to be catered to by it.

You should go spread your hateful dogma someplace on the dark web. There's nobody here you're likely to radicalize. You're simply an annoyance to those of us who come here for the camaraderie, the friendship, the company, and to tell jokes and talk about our toys.

A worthless low time annoyance, about sums you up.

 

[Kunming]

You know it all, you know all about what morality should be, you know what we should be doing in the world. You think you know what we've done to the rest of the world, and how you could have done it better.

All of those qualifications don't make you the expert you think you are, more like a self righteous a**hole.

The only thing I've actually seen the Muslim religion integrate well with, is the American prison system. Particularly our home grown black Muslims. It gives them an excuse to drop everything they're supposed to be doing, and go the the "mosque"and pray. And we put up with it, we call it "freedom of religion".

It's a convenient belief system, for useless people who do nothing more for society than demand to be catered to by it.

I certainly appear to know more than you do, since you're just full of insults and frankly do a great job of living up to your name lol. You could at least know your own history - at least post WW2 say? Instead of being in a strange state of semi-denial and trivializing of what your country has done; while then (for the 2nd time) calling my country a shithole.

Maybe the reason you've only seen Islam integrate well with the prison system, is because you live in a hole in the ground - probably somewhere in the rustbelt states lol. Maybe next to a church lmao? Meh, I'm not interested in insulting you - you can manage that on your own. But as with most problems in your (often) backwards country, it's your own doing. Your own fault. Yes, the prison system too. Why do you have private prisons anyway? Why make it into a business-model to have prisoners? Don't you know the prison industry will just entice politicians or others in positions of privilege to put more people in prison???

Just remember that for all the problems Muslims cause (and they do), a lot of it directly falls back on you, a Christian nation .

 

[davislane1]

There is no point to make

Exactly.

 

[captaincranky]

I certainly appear to know more than you do, since you're just full of insults and frankly do a great job of living up to your name lol.

I do my best to live up to my own values. Good of you to notice.

Maybe the reason you've only seen Islam integrate well with the prison system, is because you live in a hole in the ground - probably somewhere in the rustbelt states lol. Maybe next to a church lmao?

You've done nothing but denigrate the US since you got here. What you're getting is backlash, and apparently you don't like the smell of your own sh!t.

Meh, I'm not interested in insulting you - you can manage that on your own. But as with most problems in your (often) backwards country, it's your own doing. Your own fault. Yes, the prison system too. Why do you have private prisons anyway? Why make it into a business-model to have prisoners? Don't you know the prison industry will just entice politicians or others in positions of privilege to put more people in prison???

Oh, "private prisons" are pretty much a Texas phenomenon.Them and California usually want to succeed from the union anyway My observations were from the federal system. You know, the place they call "club fed".

Just remember that for all the problems Muslims cause (and they do), a lot of it directly falls back on you, a Christian nation

I know right? And we as a Christian nation still to listen to a bunch of snot from Muslims which sounds like a recruiting dogma from the "Crusades". Those things are over, didn't you get the memo?

Everyday I thank God I don't believe in him, or her, or him that thinks he's a her, or the black Muslin her that thinks she's a him.

Now please, go praise Allah, and f*** off while you're at at..(y)[/QUOTE]

 

[Kunming]

I do my best to live up to my own values. Good of you to notice.
You've done nothing but denigrate the US since you got here. What you're getting is backlash, and apparently you don't like the smell of your own sh!t.

Oh, "private prisons" are pretty much a Texas phenomenon.Them and California usually want to succeed from the union anyway My observations were from the federal system. You know, the place they call "club fed".

I know right? And we as a Christian nation still to listen to a bunch of snot from Muslims which sounds like a recruiting dogma from the "Crusades". Those things are over, didn't you get the memo?

Everyday I thank God I don't believe in him, or her, or him that thinks he's a her, or the black Muslin her that thinks she's a him.

Now please, go praise Allah, and f*** off while you're at at..(y)

[/QUOTE]
Oh but that's okay, since the US does nothing but denigrate others, so I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss the show

The crusades are over? What? What are you doing in Afghanistan and Iraq then? Libya was an accident I guess? What about Syria? Damn son.

I bet God does gender studies.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]...Oh but that's okay, since the US does nothing but denigrate others, so I just wanted to make sure you didn't miss the show

Well, IIRC there were terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, as well as the people who were responsible for the World Trade Center attacks. You do realize we went into Afghanistan AFTER that incident right? That's hardly what constitutes a "crusade", at least not to any sane individual.

EDIT. As far as Iraq goes we did ostensibly invade under false pretenses. However, the UN did sanction that because of Saddam Hussein's "prior bad acts". (Like using chemical weapons on the Kurds).

Fast forward to after Hussein was overthrown. The Sunis and the Shites promptly started killing one another because of a struggle for power, and minor differences in their religious practices. In fact, AFAIK, that's still going on. So, brutal dictators in the Middle East fall under the category of, "ya can't live with 'em, and ya can't not have a civil war without 'em".

So now, the US has adopted a much more withdrawn, laizzie faire policy toward Syria. Which is keep our beliefs, and our soldiers out of Syria, and just let the Assad Regime & Russians kill as many civilians and rebels, as they deem appropriate.

Then, in spite of the fact that "the US is the greatest threat to world peace", all your sorry a**es will be over here begging to get in.

 

[Kunming]

Well, IIRC there were terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, as well as the people who were responsible for the World Trade Canter attacks. You do realize we went into Afghanistan AFTER that incident right? That's hardly what constitutes a "crusade", at least not to any sane individual.

Right, so let's break this down shall we?

1 - You get attacked by a group of mainly Saudi-Arabian individuals.
2 - And this somehow justifies the invasion of Afghanistan, a sovereign nation? Or Iraq for that matter?

Bruh. That's dope.

And that's without considering that you created/funded and trained your own terrorist organisations. Not a first for you guys, but still common.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

"Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Jihadi warriors, mujahideen, in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of its client, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan."

The thing with people, perhaps especially americans, who knows, is that you're often very peaceful. Which the power-hungry and crazy ones amongst you called leaders, really hate. So they need to be able to show you guys that you've been "attacked", for you to lose all sense and attack back. Just like Pearl Harbor, you know.

What about Iraq? Libya? Cambodia? Laos? Guatemala? When does the killing stop.

 

[captaincranky]

What about Iraq? Libya? Cambodia? Laos? Guatemala? When does the killing stop.

Well there's 6 billion of us now. Which is likely about 4 billion too many. So, "not too soon, I hope".

Right, so let's break this down shall we?

1 - You get attacked by a group of mainly Saudi-Arabian individuals.
2 - And this somehow justifies the invasion of Afghanistan, a sovereign nation? Or Iraq for that matter?

You have one of the most blatant memories of convenience I have ever encountered.

The US begged and pleaded for Afghanistan to turn over the individuals responsible for the WTC attacks for days, even weeks. All the Afghan government did was thumb its nose at us. That's when the bombs started falling, and rightfully so.