Ubisoft's new DRM more annoying than expected

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I'm with TomSEA on this one. Clearly piracy is a crime against humanity and gaming/software vendors must install invasive processes/rootkits to analyze and discriminate your PC and verify that you aren't pulling a fast one and shorting them a dollar. They need to be sure you're staying on their moral grounds and also be able to deactivate your PC or destroy your data should anything questionable show up.

Just like the government should be allowed to install cameras/wall screens in everyones home so they can view, monitor and be sure that everyone is behaving as they deem morally right. They should be able to police your thoughts, chose your line of work and make sure you do morning stretches as well.

If you don't agree with this, I'm afraid you need some time in rehabilitation.
 
DRM sucks big time and penalises the legit users a lot more than it does the pirates.

people have gotten used to extortion and manipulatyion from the music industry/gaming industry & movie industry aswell as many other areas of life. they complain but do nothing about it!!!

at the end of a day, If I buy a car, that car belongs to me, and i should be able to do with that car whatever I like, paint it, crash it, park it on the road, park it on the driveway, lend it my friend, sell it whatever.

Ifd I buy a game, i am buying the game, I SHOULD then be allowed to do whatever I want with that game.. if i have 3 computers in my house, 1 in my living room, a laptop & another in my bedroom, i should be allowed to install that game or software on any of my own personal computers end of!! that game/software belongs to me!! i paid for it. however if i give that game/software to someone else then yes i agree then that should become an issue!!!

but I should not be prohibited or ordered and prosecuted should i install windows or whatever on any PC that actually belongs to me!!! afterall, i bought the game for myself, and i should be able to use it on my own damn equipment!!!

lets stop being complacent!! we are all being manipulated, and if someone told you that you can't put mp3's onto your brand new mp3 player or car stereo because you can only listen to the CD not rip it to a more easier accessible format then by god, you are being told everything that you can do with your own stuff.

and yes it is still illegal to copy a CD and rip it to mp3 and upload it to your car stereo.. and what's more, they are recommending that both hands be on the steering wheel.. you can't smoke a cig whilst driving, you can't eat a sandwich whilst driving and you can't use a mobile phone whilst driving, for safety concerns..

but i have never ever had an accident due to those, yet I had a car run straight into me head on because the guy was changing a CD on his car stereo at the time!! go figure..

we are being violated of our own basic human rights!!!
 
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DRM sucks big time and penalises the legit users a lot more than it does the pirates.

people have gotten used to extortion and manipulatyion from the music industry/gaming industry & movie industry aswell as many other areas of life. they complain but do nothing about it!!!

at the end of a day, If I buy a car, that car belongs to me, and i should be able to do with that car whatever I like, paint it, crash it, park it on the road, park it on the driveway, lend it my friend, sell it whatever.

Ifd I buy a game, i am buying the game, I SHOULD then be allowed to do whatever I want with that game.. if i have 3 computers in my house, 1 in my living room, a laptop & another in my bedroom, i should be allowed to install that game or software on any of my own personal computers end of!! that game/software belongs to me!! i paid for it. however if i give that game/software to someone else then yes i agree then that should become an issue!!!

but I should not be prohibited or ordered and prosecuted should i install windows or whatever on any PC that actually belongs to me!!! afterall, i bought the game for myself, and i should be able to use it on my own damn equipment!!!

lets stop being complacent!! we are all being manipulated, and if someone told you that you can't put mp3's onto your brand new mp3 player or car stereo because you can only listen to the CD not rip it to a more easier accessible format then by god, you are being told everything that you can do with your own stuff.

and yes it is still illegal to copy a CD and rip it to mp3 and upload it to your car stereo.. and what's more, they are recommending that both hands be on the steering wheel.. you can't smoke a cig whilst driving, you can't eat a sandwich whilst driving and you can't use a mobile phone whilst driving, for safety concerns..

but i have never ever had an accident due to those, yet I had a car run straight into me head on because the guy was changing a CD on his car stereo at the time!! go figure..

we are being violated of our own basic human rights!!!
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Well I dont know about it being a human right, but you are correct. Its all about control and greed. Software companies want to control how you use their products so it maximises their profits. I can't wait until other forms of business adopt licensing, so all these "the software company is the victim" people get a taste of their own medicine. Imagine buying a new car and being told you have to operate it as per the terms of the automaker. People would be irate.

For the record, I have no problem with a company making as much money as they can. What I disapprove of is they ways they go about doing so. Give a customer a good product at a fair price and you'll have a customer for life.

Personally I think Assassin's Creed 2 sucked. My daughter bought it for Christmas for her 360 and I played it. To me its not worth downloading legally or illegally.
 
"What about the resources wasted in an attempt to prevent the inevitable?"

- Hard to argue with that logic. The resources spent to stop piracy is a foolish waste of time and money. Hackers and pirates will find a way simply for the challenge and the thrill of victory. Why not spend less and save the money? Or better yet, spend the same amount and focus on game development quality rather than playing software cop.

DRM totally sucks. I would prefer a hacked version and would be willing to pay for the hacked version for the convenience of not having DRM restrictions. Every time I purchase a new game for my PC, before I even install it, I go hack-hunting online to find and download a NO-CD file so I can put my disc back in its box after installing. They need to get a clue about what customers want and start delivering it.
 
Why wouldnt you be able to mimic the reporting server and queries with an app? there are ways around it all. but I dont see valve complaining about steam sales or hacks that much. Maybe thats why activision chose steam instead of stardock for MW2.
 
What amuses me about all this is that they say they want to reduce piracy. I wonder what their return on investment there is. Stopped piracy doesn't turn into increased revenue unless the user is willing to purchase the software they were planning on pirating.

And here, we've proven that more than one village ***** has been found at Ubisoft. With their intrusive DRM practices they've converted some of their paying customers into either pirates or non-customers.
 
"and probably get to speak to some imbecile that don't even know where to go to start learning speaking proper English"

Per Hanson, way to go on your English, I think you are one of them. They are people too, they just are from a different country, its not anyone's fault that their employer prefers the new immigrants, its just American's don't know much about anything, so they have to turn to other countries for help and support.
 
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2. Yes, some DRM is annoying & sh*t. The more annoying it is the more likely that hackers would like to crack it as they like the challenge. Why bother spending efforts in annoying DRMs when they should be spending efforts in making the game better & better???
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They don't want to make the game better. They just want to feel important.
 
To Guest quoting me, yes, I am "one of them"
I live in Sweden and my native language is not English.
 
PanicX said:
I'm with TomSEA on this one. Clearly piracy is a crime against humanity and gaming/software vendors must install invasive processes/rootkits to analyze and discriminate your PC and verify that you aren't pulling a fast one and shorting them a dollar. They need to be sure you're staying on their moral grounds and also be able to deactivate your PC or destroy your data should anything questionable show up.

Just like the government should be allowed to install cameras/wall screens in everyones home so they can view, monitor and be sure that everyone is behaving as they deem morally right. They should be able to police your thoughts, chose your line of work and make sure you do morning stretches as well.

If you don't agree with this, I'm afraid you need some time in rehabilitation.
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QFT :p
 
Except studies have shown that piracy correlates to level of anticipation for the game; not the countermeasures used to "protect" it. So the argument that DRM is an acceptable evil because of the large numbers of torrenting users is patently false.
 
wow! i've just read every single comment! thats the longest reading session i think i've ever had on this computer before!

Anyway I don't really know what I agree with? fair enough developers don't deserve to have there work stolen but at the same time I have had moments where DRM slowed my computer to a crawl. I traced it back to a background secureROM.exe proccess and I called there hotline to find that the DRM was scanning my system for corrupt software. It would stop after 10-15minutes of playing, but why am I being scanned anyway? if I really was a hacker, the proccess wouldn't have even been able to start!

They (the companies) basically treat all of us as criminals until proven innocent.
 
About time. Soft-handed / Neville Chamberlain approach solves nothing. Ubisoft has a right to protect the investment they have made in AC2. Piracy / theft is a social menace and should be stamped out with all deliberate force. People must realize that stealing has a consequence no matter what some BS study may say.
 
Modern Warfare 2...pirated all over the place, and still made what? $500,000,000? That's all I got to say.
 
This crap i s what makes me want to pirate.I bought 1 game that has this exact same drm...it went into the garbage,and bought another that has a somewhat similar drm....and I still play the pirated version instead.Since Infinity Ward pulled similar **** with Modern Warfare 2(meaning shitting on PC gamers) and go away with making money on consoles(no wonder 4.1 million copies were pirated...lol)...we will see alot more companies punishing pc players.Pirated the cause...bullshit,console games are pirated just as much.
 
I'm repeating a message I posted in another topic.

What if I want to replay my games in ten years when there isn't Steam servers anymore? I want hard copies for my games. I want to play my single player games without having to depend on getting online to prove I bought them.

I'm against piracy, but I'm even more against they deciding if I have the right to play a game I bought! Or else they should start calling their games "rent-only".

That's why I don't give my money to Ubisoft anymore. I'm not interested in paying full-price to rent a ****ing game that in a couple years, when I'm craving a play (just like I crave playing NES games sometimes but I CAN play because I have the cartridge), I can't play anymore because the company ordered the rent be returned (aka closing the servers).

I want to shout my opinion to the whole world, I want to find people who agree with me. People who hate piracy but that want to have property of functional hard copies of our games, so we can play independent of time passed since game release, or server availability
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Intellectual property is all fine, but its not applicable if you want to live in a "bright new world". You all talk about their right to this and right to that, but what would have happened if Nikola Tesla decided to force his agreement of a dollar per 1kw of electricity produced? How would our world look now?
It all comes down to greed. There is no greater good in implementing this sort of things, only profit margin of a corporation that rented talented individuals, to work on a idea they bought. They didn't thought of it themselves, they BOUGHT it and now are letting you rent it but not for use, only for see, as you cant do anything with because it isn't your property. Internet is about sharing ideas, not owning them.
I agree that a developer should be given compensation for their work, and there is more than a functional system already in place. Have any of you heard of Linux, GPL, Red Hat.....

Education and access to knowledge is a basic human right, as is a right to privacy.
So go educate your self before you start tripping nonsense how they have right to do this, or just go and piss on the bill of rights and last 2500 years of human civilization and reinstitutionalize early Egyptian system with slavery, royalty and clergy.
/infuriated rant off
Also do you know why is customer support located in India, because they are getting an entire office of 20 workers and all of utility personnel for the same amount that they will only get the foreman and a janitor in the US.
I will quote a lyric from one of the favorite bands of my youth System of a Down:
"Bottom line is money and nobody gives a F***!"
 
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