Unity boss says game devs who refuse to embrace monetization are "f**king *****s"

3volv3d

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This guy is a chode. But 1st world problems.
If you don't want this to keep happening, stop overpaying for shtt you don't need.
For those against capitalism. Upvotes for you. But you need to stop buying games at release, graphics cards during a COVID silicon shortage price hike. You are the problem.
For those for capitalism, you make nihilism a thing. Thanks for keeping mankind enslaved to a failed system that has greed sending mankind to its maker. It proves humans are a flawed species and deserve what they get. You may as well believe the world's flat. You Hindu cows x
There is fungus smarter than humans. #Sadtimes.


 

TheRealSCDC

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It's no capitalism, it's the people who support this kind of Sh&T and play the games. You don't HAVE to play or do anything. The best part of Capitalism is that if people don't like it, you fail. It drives to produce better products.

Until society get so dumbed down that it doesn't matter anymore. *cough* smartphones, facebook, twitter, etc. The only thing I use is a smartphone, and for work. Well, the chick I work out with is fun to chat with :).

America is quickly becoming like the movie Idiocracy. Watch it sometime, it's funny as hell and prophetic at the same time.
 

toooooot

Posts: 1,825   +981
I wish them all to use monetization more and more until all their games become utter crap and then people stop buying those and these companies go bankrupt.

Also, as they do it more and more aggressively, someone will start making laws just for them and their games.
 

TheRealSCDC

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I wish them all to use monetization more and more until all their games become utter crap and then people stop buying those and these companies go bankrupt.

Also, as they do it more and more aggressively, someone will start making laws just for them and their games.

No doubt that is already happening!
 

RudyBob

Posts: 889   +911
This guy is a chode. But 1st world problems.
If you don't want this to keep happening, stop overpaying for shtt you don't need.
For those against capitalism. Upvotes for you. But you need to stop buying games at release, graphics cards during a COVID silicon shortage price hike. You are the problem.
For those for capitalism, you make nihilism a thing. Thanks for keeping mankind enslaved to a failed system that has greed sending mankind to its maker. It proves humans are a flawed species and deserve what they get. You may as well believe the world's flat. You Hindu cows x
There is fungus smarter than humans. #Sadtimes.
LOL
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,327   +853
Can’t go 2 steps without somebody shitting on capitalism these days… from their smartphone, in an air-conditioned space, sipping their overpriced latte etc… with absolutely no self-awareness.
Disingenuous way to look at it. Unconstrained capitalism is the problem. Some parts are fine but some parts turn to crap when you let things go.

US health system, student debt systems are good examples. Australia's privatised monopoly telco infrastructure, power assets, bus and rail other examples. There are plenty more.

If both sides of the debate are going to sincerely discuss the issues, you first have to understand what the other side is talking about. You don't have a point when you are countering something they are not saying.
 

godrilla

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Man I hate how capitalism just has to destroy everything for the sake of $.
I miss the glory days of gaming when Devs got to enjoy making games for the sake of making something special and we all got to enjoy that. Now Devs are stuck optimising everything to funnel money to an investment fund.....
Actually it's cronyism. He seems like the evil corporate overlord!
Capitalism is a 2 way sword it swings both ways guess who is getting slaughtered now in the gpu market? Hint it's not the consumers!
 

Nobina

Posts: 4,035   +4,693
Man I hate how capitalism just has to destroy everything for the sake of $.
I miss the glory days of gaming when Devs got to enjoy making games for the sake of making something special and we all got to enjoy that. Now Devs are stuck optimising everything to funnel money to an investment fund.....
It's human greed that's the problem and it is in our nature and it will likely never go away. Marketing people hijacked game companies and now it's all about selling a product to as many people as possible.

Can’t go 2 steps without somebody shitting on capitalism these days… from their smartphone, in an air-conditioned space, sipping their overpriced latte etc… with absolutely no self-awareness.
You can criticise something you think is good but has certain things you don't like about it.
 

waclark

Posts: 781   +487
Sorry, wrong path. No one is saying developers can't charge money for games. The complaint is the switch from honest, disclosed-up-front, voluntary pricing to newer deceptive models that produce extraordinary results primarily because they are exploiting temporary loopholes in the laws that normally prohibit gambling and exploitation of minors.
How is paying for a game "voluntary" and choosing to buy loot boxes isn't?

I see loot boxes as different than gambling, although there are many loot box systems I have not played, so this is not a one-size-fits-all comment. In gambling you stand to lose your money and get nothing in return.With loot boxes you always get something. It might not be what you want, but it is something.

The problem I see with some loot box systems is that you cannot trade or sell some loot box items. If you could do that, then I think the gambling aspect would be moot. Also, some of the games I see with micro-transactions aren't really using loot boxes, per se. Diablo, in particular, seems to tell you what you're getting when you buy something. Now you may have to spend a lot of money to get the highest level gear or some unique item, but so far, I haven't spent any money and I'm level 49. In other words, it hasn't impacted my game play, yet.

As for exploitation of minors, isn't that a parental oversight problem? My grandson is online all the time, but he's not spending a fortune on any games. We do give him some Roblox Bucks every now and then but it's under our control. Not his.
 

wiyosaya

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The problem is the victory of nihilism in the zeitgeist; if nothing has a higher purpose and there are no ideals, objective morals or standards of behavior to observe or pursue, the only thing that justifies the means is the ends. The ends of capitalistic endeavor is profit, but unguided by our other goals as humans - to provide goods, services, support artists, feed people, cure diseases, etc - it inevitably becomes perverse in seeking that profit motive.
Personally, I think its the pursuit of profit at all costs including whatever gets destroyed in the process.

Capitalism enables this and society has accepted a principle that the more profit you generate the more your worth to society.
 

waclark

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The problem is the victory of nihilism in the zeitgeist; if nothing has a higher purpose and there are no ideals, objective morals or standards of behavior to observe or pursue, the only thing that justifies the means is the ends. The ends of capitalistic endeavor is profit, but unguided by our other goals as humans - to provide goods, services, support artists, feed people, cure diseases, etc - it inevitably becomes perverse in seeking that profit motive.

tl;dr **** nihilists.
I don't know that I agree that Capitalism is not guided by other goals. Without profits my business cannot donate to worthy causes in my community. Without profit I cannot support those local artists or provide goods and services to the larger community. Do you suppose I should work for zero profit and still provide those things to the larger community?

I own a business and during Covid we were fortunate to be in a good place financially. We provided free lunches for kids and food boxes for needy families in our local community. We donate thousands every year to a handful of local charity and community organizations. All because we make a profit. Without that profit we could not do any of those things.
 

terzaerian

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Personally, I think its the pursuit of profit at all costs including whatever gets destroyed in the process.

Capitalism enables this and society has accepted a principle that the more profit you generate the more your worth to society.
That's my point. Nihilistic-capitalism only seeks profit as the end goal; guided by nothing else, it produces and drives towards nothing else. That's why you see things like pharmaceutical companies charging insane prices for insulin while neglecting research into diseases and antibiotics that are "unprofitable" even if the long-term threat and need is evident, or why you see publishers suing the Internet Archive for making e-books available for download even when they have the express consent of the authors themselves to do so. People have to believe that there is something more to life first than making as much money as humanly possible, and when they do that attitude works its way downward into everything they do and run.

And it's not something you can check with socialism, either - because if the people in that socialist system are also nihilist, the same dehumanizing behavior works its way through, simply in different ways. A nihilistic socialist might not be seeking profit but they are not seeking the welfare of others, either; all that matters is the maintenance of the state apparatus, and on the individual level, maintaining your position within said apparatus. Socialism also doesn't check nihilistic behavior in and of itself either; if the 20th century was any indication, it only inflames it further.

I don't know that I agree that Capitalism is not guided by other goals. Without profits my business cannot donate to worthy causes in my community. Without profit I cannot support those local artists or provide goods and services to the larger community. Do you suppose I should work for zero profit and still provide those things to the larger community?

I own a business and during Covid we were fortunate to be in a good place financially. We provided free lunches for kids and food boxes for needy families in our local community. We donate thousands every year to a handful of local charity and community organizations. All because we make a profit. Without that profit we could not do any of those things.
And you're an example of capitalism as it should ideally operate - you clearly care about something outside yourself: your community, and in its long-term health and wellbeing. If profit and profit alone was all that drives you, you wouldn't have bothered with those lunches and food boxes because it cuts into your bottom line. Call it moral capitalism, humanistic capitalism, whatever - you're the antithesis of what I'm talking about when I talk about nihilistic capitalism.

My point is that the fault is not capitalism itself - capitalism is the tool. It is a tool many are using irresponsibly because they believe in nothing but making numbers go up. Until that nihilism starts getting rolled back, from the highest echelons of society on down, it's going to get worse.
 
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waclark

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And you're an example of capitalism as it should ideally operate - you clearly care about something outside yourself: your community, and in its long-term health and wellbeing. If profit and profit alone was all that drives you, you wouldn't have bothered with those lunches and food boxes because it cuts into your bottom line. Call it moral capitalism, humanistic capitalism, whatever - you're the antithesis of what I'm talking about when I talk about nihilistic capitalism.

My point is that the fault is not capitalism itself - capitalism is the tool. It is a tool many are using irresponsibly because they believe in nothing but making numbers go up. Until that nihilism starts getting rolled back, from the highest echelons of society on down, it's going to get worse.
I guess I was addressing the OPs comment which seemed to indicate a bias towards anything Capitalism. It feels like there is this backlash against Capitalism in the US, aimed often times at large corporations such as Amazon, Apple, Microsoft et al. That somehow, running a for-profit operation makes you evil by default.

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but put a bunch Socialist/Communist in those same positions and you won't see any changes. Well, except that no one will be making any money at that point, other than the Socialist in charge. In other words, I agree, Capitalism is not the underlying problem.

The problem is bad people. You get some running large corporations. You get some who are poor. You get some who are solid middle class and the only thing they all have in common is that they are just bad people in a position to enrich themselves.

Anywho, I'll be here trying to make a dollar today and tomorrow and after. If that makes me evil, oh well.
 

McMurdeR

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How did you guys arrive at the virtues and vices of capitalism from some guy's unpopular comment about game monetization?

What a party
 

waclark

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How did you guys arrive at the virtues and vices of capitalism from some guy's unpopular comment about game monetization?

What a party
The comment was about monetization of gaming applications. Is that not the basis of capitalism, making money? Some people seem to feel that any corporation out to make a profit is somehow evil and bad. Of course some of these same people can never explain how a game developer is going to make a "living wage" if they don't charge for playing their games.

The conversation should be about how companies can monetize their products while ensuring that the users of the product are paying a fair price to play.