Weekend Open Forum: AMD or Nvidia?

Physx is useless, Gsync expensive only and no advantage over free Free-sync.
I must say, I've never had reason to complain about PhysX other than the times when I've had a AMD graphics card in my computer and I couldn't use it. As for G-sync, yes, it's clearly more expensive... but it is also superior to FreeSync. If you won't take my word for it, by all means read up on the matter. Nvidia doesn't just offer "a couple more frames per second," they offer better software/driver support in addition to the aforementioned technologies. For those who can afford a G-sync monitor, I dare say Nvidia is the undisputed winner. At least for now. Maybe FreeSync will be just as good as G-sync one day, but that day is not today, and until then... I claim Nvidia is the gamer's #1 choice. :)
 
I owned a ATI x1950xtx and after that it's been Nvidia. I stick with the EVGA ecosystem. Less headaches and a good company to deal with if you have to.

I'm really not happy with the Nvidia 900 series other than the 980 which is way out of my price range.

The AMD 300 series is disappointing overall. I was secretly hoping to try something new & give them some business, but it wasn't meant to be I guess.
 
I've had too many video cards to list here. Started with an 8MB 3DLabs (Something or another,) all the way through an R9 290 and GTX 970. Honestly now, I'm just looking for small, quiet, and power efficient, so at this point Nvidia wins for me, but that can change at any time.
 
Like others have stated...I have owned too many to list them all...but first one was an ATi mach64 way back in the mid 1990's.

In general I try to buy in the sweet spot between performance and price...currently running an ASUS R9 280x.

I am another gamer that has never run into the alleged ATi/AMD driver issues...I play a lot of FPS and strategy games and really have not noticed any difference between AMD and nVidia drivers.

Regarding the current GPU's...I like both the Fury X and the 980ti so it will likely come down to price when I decide to upgrade...
 
I've always used Nvidia in my personal builds, going back to a GeForce 2 MX. My wife's PC has an AMD, but I have never been happy with it. We use the box as an HTPC, but it will not keep the monitor settings we choose (monitor as main, extend desktop onto TV). At least twice a week we have to go manually set that up again.
 
Matrox mystique (bullshit)
powervr m3d (bullshit)
3dfx voodoo 3 3000 (verty good card)
gforce 2 ultra (fast on old game but no shader, minor crash issue)
gforce 4 ti4200 (bad on shader )
radeon 9800xt (best card I have own)
radeonx 850xt (missint shader model 2.0 )
gorce 8800 gt (minor crash issue)
gforce gtx570 (major crash issue, major driver update problem )
radeon r9 280x (second best card I own )

most of my nvidia crad had crash issue
the voodoo , radeon 9800 and radeon r9 280x is the card that had the best value vs the time I own.
most other card iave been owned maximum 1 year and have to be replaced because of some issue.
 
It all depends on what is the best for the money when I upgrade...my history.

Geforce 2
Geforce 3
Radeon 9500
Radeon 9800
Radeon X800
Geforce 8800
Radeon 5870
Geforce 760
Radeon 280X
Geforce 970
 
is this a joke amd for a budget hahaha were did you get that from I think you are getting mixed up with there cpu mate not gpu

Where have you been hiding for the past several years... go look up the prices... Nvidia's cards are almost always pricier - but provide better performance.... AMD competes (and sometimes wins) in price vs performance.... Nvidia also has more power efficient cards, although this really only applies to laptops (or someone who scrutinizes their power bill very carefully!)
 
History:
ATI Rage Pro
3DFx Voodoo
ATI TNT2 Ultra
Geforce 5800
Geforce 8800 GTS Sli
Geforce GTX 470 Sli

I know I'm missing at least 3 in there somewhere, can't remember anymore.

Current:
Geforce GTX 780 Sli - Main Gaming Rig
Radeon 7650 - Netflix box

I'll upgrade again when the next generation from Nvidia comes out after this 900 series is over.

I'll always like Nvidia more for the raw performance, stable frame rates, cooler running, lower power comsumption, and way less driver issues.
 
Right now Nvidia gets my vote for the incredible efficiency. I also really like the looks of their reference Titan-style heatsink.

The cards I owned:

GeForce 9800 GT
Radeon HD 4850 toxic
GeForce GTS 250
Radeon HD 5750
Radeon HD 5770
Radeon HD 5770 Crossfire
Radeon HD 5850
Radeon HD 5870
Geforce GTX 470
Radeon HD 6950/70 Unlocked
GeForce GTX 570
GeForce GTX 570 SLI
Radeon HD 7950
Radeon HD 7950 Crossfire
GeForce GTX 670 FTW
GeForce GTX 750 ti

I still have my 5870 running in one of my pc's, as well as a 670 FTW in my main rig and a 750 ti in my HTPC.
 
I dislike both company's to be honest.

Nvidia more for there proprietary bull$@*#.

& a big shout out to john mautari( japamd ) for radeonpro - love your program. you have made life with amd a lot nicer. TY
 
Have gone back and forth between both for many years. But currently on AMD's side. Working on next build and I am unsure of what way I want to go. Swaying towards Nvidia, in hopes that I can find a good card for a really good price.
 
I have been running water cooled 6870's for the past 4 years without issue and have just upgraded to a water cooled R9 295X2, which looks like it might last me another 4 years... Though I have to say I think the AMD/ATI versus Nvidia argument is stupid, I wish for more competition in the market as the last three years have been static from what I can see. What happened to Moore's law and why are people accepting rebadges instead of upgrades personally I am dissapointed in both companies.
 
I wish for more competition in the market as the last three years have been static from what I can see.
I don't see what you are referring to from AMD, nVidia, or an Intel stand point. They have all been moving forward. It is saddening when your disappointment stems from your personalized high-expectations.
 
I don't see what you are referring to from AMD, nVidia, or an Intel stand point. They have all been moving forward. It is saddening when your disappointment stems from your personalized high-expectations.
Rebadges Quote and for a tech spot paladin look up Moore's law.
 
I know what Moore's Law is and have for over 15 years. And for the same amount of years they have expected innovation to slow down. Why do you not?

Because you have no evidence for this statement... please provide some sort of proof please?

Moore's Law does NOT state any such slow down... OTHER people have expressed doubts, but there are many who refute these doubts...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

Here's a fairly brief summation - if you have more info, please share, but don't just accuse someone of being wrong without evidence...
 
Moore's Law does NOT state any such slow down...
Pardon me for not making myself clear. I have an issue with that. I wasn't suggesting Moore's Law did suggest a slow down. The slow down has been expected though. And technologically not keeping up with Moore's Law is far from being stagnate which Yarrow is suggesting.
 
I am sorry Clifford Cooley that you have Issues, maybe you should work on them . The important thing to take away from this discussion is that neither AMD or Nvidia are doing their best for their customers. Though I think AMD and their OEM partners do their best to price their cards reasonably (Almost) the incredible prices that are charged for the top of the line Video cards compared with the paltry evolution's that occur each year are disappointing to say the least. I would truly have expected to see Photo realistic rendering by now.
 
Pardon me for not making myself clear. I have an issue with that. I wasn't suggesting Moore's Law did suggest a slow down. The slow down has been expected though. And technologically not keeping up with Moore's Law is far from being stagnate which Yarrow is suggesting.

First of all - I AGAIN ask you to provide PROOF of your assertions... while there are SOME people who have stated that Moore's Law might slow down, this has not been "generally accepted" as you seem to be claiming...

Yarrow is correct in that AMD/Nvidia could/should be providing us with superior technical advances... Well, Nvidia should be anyways...

The flaw is, I suspect, that since AMD can't keep up, Nvidia has no pressing need to improve either... as long as they stay ahead of AMD, they can charge whatever they like...

It's nice having a virtual monopoly on the market...
 
First of all - I AGAIN ask you to provide PROOF of your assertions... while there are SOME people who have stated that Moore's Law might slow down, this has not been "generally accepted" as you seem to be claiming...

Yarrow is correct in that AMD/Nvidia could/should be providing us with superior technical advances... Well, Nvidia should be anyways...

The flaw is, I suspect, that since AMD can't keep up, Nvidia has no pressing need to improve either... as long as they stay ahead of AMD, they can charge whatever they like...

It's nice having a virtual monopoly on the market...

I have to agree, and you have put in to words much better than I could what seems to be the current state of Nvidia/AMD
First of all - I AGAIN ask you to provide PROOF of your assertions... while there are SOME people who have stated that Moore's Law might slow down, this has not been "generally accepted" as you seem to be claiming...

Yarrow is correct in that AMD/Nvidia could/should be providing us with superior technical advances... Well, Nvidia should be anyways...

The flaw is, I suspect, that since AMD can't keep up, Nvidia has no pressing need to improve either... as long as they stay ahead of AMD, they can charge whatever they like...

It's nice having a virtual monopoly on the market...

Yes but we would only be able to afford AMD's top of the line solution...
 
"can't keep up" is ridiculous. the Fury against the 980ti/Titan, the 390x against the 980 and so forth are a few frames/percentage.
And as far as being an ultra enthusiast, AMD scales better after the second card and including the fourth card as I am doing, built and benching right now.
 
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Yarrow is correct in that AMD/Nvidia could/should be providing us with superior technical advances... Well, Nvidia should be anyways...
Why?
Nvidia, nor AMD, are responsible for the process node cadence of pure play foundry companies.

Both Nvidia and AMD are nearing the absolute limit of TSMC's manufacturable die size of 625mm², and no other foundry is presently capable of producing competitive GPU's, and nor has been for some years since UMC and IBM offered anything remotely competitive.

Both Nvidia and AMD's designs have transistor densities far higher than any other large die IC despite devoting a larger part of their IC's (around 50%) to low transistor density uncore ( memory controllers, cache, I/O). Typically a GPU's density is 12-14 million per mm². That density has only just been exceeded by Intel on 14nm - a full node smaller than TSMC's 28HP.
The flaw is, I suspect, that since AMD can't keep up, Nvidia has no pressing need to improve either... as long as they stay ahead of AMD, they can charge whatever they like...
No, the flaw is that margins are razor thin for most discrete graphics cards. Most production/sales accrue from entry level and lower mainstream market segments. Enthusiast/performance desktop and professional graphics are sold in relatively small numbers (albeit at high margins), but every large GPU is a sizeable investment. If it doesn't meet all of its goals (performance, competitive (halo) leadership, sales numbers and longevity) then the design can wreck a company. Take Fiji for example - AMD gambled on a doubled up Tonga being more competitive against a 50% larger GM204. With the title "Worlds fastest GPU", AMD would have sold a boatload of R5, R7, and R9 300 series cards - and you can bet that they wrung everything they could out of the GPU in order to achieve that goal. Yet the company still fell short, and the overall impression is "nice try", not an awestruck audience. Big gamble which should be shown by AMD's next couple of financial quarter reports. Hundreds of millions of dollars spent designing a GPU that has to exist (probably) solely as a Radeon card, since I doubt there are many FirePro options available for 4GB framebuffer, 225-250W power envelope, air-cooled/passive workstation/HPC offerings.

Last year, a grand total of 51.39 million discrete cards were sold worldwide. A huge proportion of sales coming from entry/low performance video out cards sold by OEMs and those available for less than $100-139 retail. This is six million less than 2013, twelve million less than 2012, and sixteen million less than 2011. The market isn't huge for serious (performance/enthusiast) graphics in global terms - if it were it wouldn't be fought between two companies that are relative minnows in the tech industry. Expecting quantum leaps in performance when the market is most definitely constrained, the foundry processes are limited (to say the least), and the graphics pipeline API's advancement is of glacial slowness is unrealistic in the extreme.
 
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