China's first gaming GPU, the Lisuan G100, performs like a 13-year-old Nvidia GTX 660 Ti

[DragonSlayer101]

Facepalm: China recently unveiled its first gaming GPU, the Lisuan G100. Built on a 6nm process, the card was touted as a potential rival to Nvidia's RTX 4060. However, a recent Geekbench listing suggests its performance is closer to that of the 13-year-old GeForce GTX 660 Ti or the 10-year-old Radeon R9 370.

The listing also appears to reveal shockingly anemic specifications, including just 32 Compute Units, 256 MB of VRAM, and a 300 MHz GPU clock. Overall, the card managed a score of only 15,524 points in OpenCL, making it one of the worst-performing GPUs in the Geekbench database.

On the surface, the specifications and benchmark results suggest that the G100 is a severely underpowered GPU – at least a decade behind modern offerings from Nvidia and AMD. However, it seems unlikely that a 6nm card would actually ship with such outdated hardware in 2025.

What likely happened here is that the test was conducted during the sampling stage, where unoptimized firmware and drivers resulted in the low reported VRAM and clock speeds. As for the FP32 performance, it can't be accurately determined without knowing the GPU's execution unit subsystem configuration.

The test bed for the G100 featured a Ryzen 7 8700G CPU and 64 GB of DDR5-4800 memory installed on a Colorful Battle-AX B650M-Plus motherboard. Interestingly, the PC was running Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.

Lisuan Technology announced last month that it had successfully powered on its prototype G100 GPU. Based on the company's in-house TrueGPU architecture, the chip is manufactured on a 6nm-grade process, most likely by the Shanghai-based semiconductor foundry SMIC.

Lisuan describes the G100 as China's first indigenous 6nm GPU and claims it will deliver performance on par with Nvidia's RTX 4060. While the Geekbench listing suggests it could fall well short of that target, the retail units will likely ship with optimized firmware and drivers that better showcase the hardware's true capabilities.

It's unclear when the G100 will hit the market, but online speculation points to mass production starting later this year or early next year. Whether the GPU can deliver the performance, stability, and efficiency initially promised by Lisuan remains to be seen, but more details will likely emerge in the coming weeks and months.

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China's first gaming GPU, the Lisuan G100, performs like a 13-year-old Nvidia GTX 660 Ti

 

[Vulcanproject]

It seems it is just a prototype. Intel could tell you how hard it is to enter the GPU game, it's every bit about software drivers as the hardware. Still, many in the Western auto industry laughed at Chinese cars just 15 years ago. Not many of them are laughing now.

 

[toooooot]

I think the chip is much more modern than the software.
They could probably use some Nvidia's experience,
I mean stealing employees.

 

[Megalomaniac]

No way I'd laugh at Chinese hardware or software development.

Today it'll perform like a 660Ti.

A few years from now (or less), they'll surpass the 5090 you all decried - and be cheaper.

Jensen Huang himself has said it.

"CEO Jensen Huang said Wednesday that China is “not behind” in artificial intelligence, and that Huawei is “one of the most formidable technology companies in the world.”

There's no way China will sit back and let America dictate the terms of their technological development.

 

[Hassanabi]

It seems it is just a prototype. Intel could tell you how hard it is to enter the GPU game, it's every bit about software drivers as the hardware. Still, many in the Western auto industry laughed at Chinese cars just 15 years ago. Not many of them are laughing now.

Let's be real even AMD has difficulty keeping up in the GPU market. In terms of performance their best cards are currently at the level of a 5070TI or 4080 super. So practically a generation behind Nvidia in raw performance. One or multiple generations behind regarding things like raytracing and AI.

Intel's best card is at the same level as a 4060TI 8GB.

It's a shame because I would like to see multiple companies with high end cards that compete at the same level. But if you want the most amount of raw power, most power for AI and newer techniques you basically can't get around Nvidia cards.

Going for an AMD card is like purposely gimping yourself in one way or the other.

 

[Axeia]

Let's be real even AMD has difficulty keeping up in the GPU market. In terms of performance their best cards are currently at the level of a 5070TI or 4080 super.

A large part of that is just brute forcing it.
Easy to compare at the moment as the RTX 5090 and AMD RX 9070 XT are made on very similar processes.
The RTX 5090 has a die size of a whopping 750 mm² (that's about as big as single dies get!)
The RX 9070 has a die size of a mere 357 mm².

So to compare 'how behind' they are you'd have to look at a chip closer in size. The RTX 5070 Ti is slightly bigger (378 mm²) but some shaders are disabled so the actual functional area might be rather close.
And would you look at that, RTX 5070 Ti vs RX 9070 XT the results are a bit of a wash. Depending on the title one is faster than the other in raster. Raytracing skews towards NVIDIA - but AMDs chip is smaller.

So practically a generation behind Nvidia in raw performance. One or multiple generations behind regarding things like raytracing and AI.

They're almost dead even, which is impressive considering how much bigger NVIDIA is.
Raytracing is indeed behind but I don't expect that to be something that can't be overcome, look at the big step they made in one generation (the first time they started taking raytracing serious).
AI is more of a software (CUDA) thing, models that run on AMD do run a-okay and fast as well.

Intel's best card is at the same level as a 4060TI 8GB.

It's a shame because I would like to see multiple companies with high end cards that compete at the same level. But if you want the most amount of raw power, most power for AI and newer techniques you basically can't get around Nvidia cards.

Intel is actually behind. For their performance the power draw is high and the die is fairly large. If whatever you're doing with AI has non-CUDA support chance are high that AMD or Intel will serve you better because their cards tend to come with more memory. It's just that not everything is made for them.
(Supposedly there's good progress made on ZLUDA and ROCM in recent times though)

Going for an AMD card is like purposely gimping yourself in one way or the other.

So you want more competition and then you make statements like this on a public site? Badmouthing the only real competitor to NVIDIA.

Plenty of cases where AMD is the superior choice unless money absolutely isn't considered whatsoever. I'd personally take a €699 AMD RX 9070 XT over a €850 RTX 5070 Ti any day.
The AMD card:
* Is substantially cheaper
* Outperforms the NVIDIA card in the games I play
* Doesn't have a dubious power connector
* Doesn't have driver issues

And even if they were dead even in everything I'd still go with AMD because I prefer their software. NVIDIA made good progress with the NVIDIA App but still isn't as feature complete.

 

[Hassanabi]

A large part of that is just brute forcing it.
Easy to compare at the moment as the RTX 5090 and AMD RX 9070 XT are made on very similar processes.
The RTX 5090 has a die size of a whopping 750 mm² (that's about as big as single dies get!)
The RX 9070 has a die size of a mere 357 mm².

So to compare 'how behind' they are you'd have to look at a chip closer in size. The RTX 5070 Ti is slightly bigger (378 mm²) but some shaders are disabled so the actual functional area might be rather close.
And would you look at that, RTX 5070 Ti vs RX 9070 XT the results are a bit of a wash. Depending on the title one is faster than the other in raster. Raytracing skews towards NVIDIA - but AMDs chip is smaller.


They're almost dead even, which is impressive considering how much bigger NVIDIA is.
Raytracing is indeed behind but I don't expect that to be something that can't be overcome, look at the big step they made in one generation (the first time they started taking raytracing serious).
AI is more of a software (CUDA) thing, models that run on AMD do run a-okay and fast as well.


Intel is actually behind. For their performance the power draw is high and the die is fairly large. If whatever you're doing with AI has non-CUDA support chance are high that AMD or Intel will serve you better because their cards tend to come with more memory. It's just that not everything is made for them.
(Supposedly there's good progress made on ZLUDA and ROCM in recent times though)


So you want more competition and then you make statements like this on a public site? Badmouthing the only real competitor to NVIDIA.

Plenty of cases where AMD is the superior choice unless money absolutely isn't considered whatsoever. I'd personally take a €699 AMD RX 9070 XT over a €850 RTX 5070 Ti any day.
The AMD card:
* Is substantially cheaper
* Outperforms the NVIDIA card in the games I play
* Doesn't have a dubious power connector
* Doesn't have driver issues

And even if they were dead even in everything I'd still go with AMD because I prefer their software. NVIDIA made good progress with the NVIDIA App but still isn't as feature complete.

In terms of performance Nvidia beats AMD, that's as simple as it gets.

If you want best performance in all areas for GPU's, picking AMD is not going to deliver you that. Hence gimping yourself.

That's not me wanting it to be this way, it's just the simple current reality.

 

[ChipBoundary]

It seems it is just a prototype. Intel could tell you how hard it is to enter the GPU game, it's every bit about software drivers as the hardware. Still, many in the Western auto industry laughed at Chinese cars just 15 years ago. Not many of them are laughing now.

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

In terms of performance Nvidia beats AMD, that's as simple as it gets.

If you want best performance in all areas for GPU's, picking AMD is not going to deliver you that. Hence gimping yourself.

That's not me wanting it to be this way, it's just the simple current reality.

Nivida is the butt of driver jokes right now..... used to be AMD's place to be the brunt of driver jokes.

Personally I'd avoid Nvidia this gen, and not just because of driver issues. But that's me.

Thankfully I'm not in need of a new GPU.

 

[Hassanabi]

Nivida is the butt of driver jokes right now..... used to be AMD's place to be the brunt of driver jokes.

Personally I'd avoid Nvidia this gen, and not just because of driver issues. But that's me.

Thankfully I'm not in need of a new GPU.

Drivers will always be a separate matter, issues with a certain generation of hardware will keep occurring as well. This both happens to AMD/Intel/Nvidia, there have been times where AMD was the butt of all jokes because their chips ran extremely hot 10+ years ago. Now it's Intel with 12/13th gen issues. Nvidia with connector issues and surely AMD will have their own issues.

My new PC for example, which I bought to prevent not having a working PC at all if the 13900k stops working, has an AMD 9950x3D...

Well...this PC is more unstable than my previous Intel PC has ever been, in the past week or so I've been trying a gazillion things to solve random freezing issues I'm having in games. It actually hard freezes without errors, no dumps, no BSOD until I eventually hard reset the PC.

Fun part is that judging from Reddit, AMD forums and such this is a common issue with this CPU. Which is great, because this is my first AMD CPU in about 10 years, and instead of being able to flee from CPU issues, I got struck with a whole lot of them and it's unclear if this will ever get solved.

Just to be clear I did no overclocking, not even undervolting and I've done practically everything you can do on a computer but it just doesn't work.

 

[Liranan]

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

Your hubris and arrogance is hilarious. China is a leader in many industries (telecom is a major one) and they are quickly catching up to foreign chip making. LJM has a right to be scared, China has the capability not only to overcome but also beat other companies as they have the determination to do so. Once their chips are good enough they could easily ban foreign imports and create their own. The blow to LJM's ability to buy more leather jackets is a very scary one, not to mention Intel and AMD.

And if China, as a nation, adopts Linux and moves away from Windows M$hit and their spyware will experience a massive blow as the Chinese government alone is bigger than some nations.

As for not buying Chinese products: lead by example. Don't buy any product that has anything made in China in it, let's see how long before you die of dehydration (long before you die of starvation), as even the pipes in your house could easily have been made in China.

 

[yannus]

No way I'd laugh at Chinese hardware or software development.

Today it'll perform like a 660Ti.

A few years from now (or less), they'll surpass the 5090 you all decried - and be cheaper.

Jensen Huang himself has said it.

"CEO Jensen Huang said Wednesday that China is “not behind” in artificial intelligence, and that Huawei is “one of the most formidable technology companies in the world.”

There's no way China will sit back and let America dictate the terms of their technological development.

I sadly agree.

Your hubris and arrogance is hilarious. China is a leader in many industries (telecom is a major one) and they are quickly catching up to foreign chip making. LJM has a right to be scared, China has the capability not only to overcome but also beat other companies as they have the determination to do so. Once their chips are good enough they could easily ban foreign imports and create their own. The blow to LJM's ability to buy more leather jackets is a very scary one, not to mention Intel and AMD.

And if China, as a nation, adopts Linux and moves away from Windows M$hit and their spyware will experience a massive blow as the Chinese government alone is bigger than some nations.

As for not buying Chinese products: lead by example. Don't buy any product that has anything made in China in it, let's see how long before you die of dehydration (long before you die of starvation), as even the pipes in your house could easily have been made in China.

I sadly agree, too.

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

I sadly disagree. Even if many chinese products are garbage, some are quite good and much cheaper. I'd prefer buying local products, but most of the time, they don't even exist or they're just national brands but the product itself is mostly manufactured in China. Anyways, the world needs to find ways to move away from China, India and the likes and to become more independent.

 

[Hassanabi]

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

You mean 99.999999999% of the developed world is stupid including you, using a device that surely has Chinese-made components in them.

Practically the only difference between others and "Made in China" is:
- Designed somewhere other than China
- Vast majority of components made in China
- No "Made in China label.
- Sometimes higher quality materials used

 

[awg1031]

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

' really, really suck'?? really? I don't have a problem with mine..it drives well, more than 3 years without problem, NVH is really good..are basing your opinion on ignorance or reality? just because u hate some of it, does not mean everything is bad

 

[Sky High]

I think the chip is much more modern than the software.
They could probably use some Nvidia's experience,
I mean stealing employees.

You mean offering them higher pay on the free market, which isnt stealing

Let's be real even AMD has difficulty keeping up in the GPU market. In terms of performance their best cards are currently at the level of a 5070TI or 4080 super. So practically a generation behind Nvidia in raw performance. One or multiple generations behind regarding things like raytracing and AI.

Intel's best card is at the same level as a 4060TI 8GB.

It's a shame because I would like to see multiple companies with high end cards that compete at the same level. But if you want the most amount of raw power, most power for AI and newer techniques you basically can't get around Nvidia cards.

Going for an AMD card is like purposely gimping yourself in one way or the other.

The AMD 9070 is meant to compete with the 5070, which means they arent behind at all. They choose not to go after the high end market because they dont have the r&d funds to develop it, considering how small the high end market is, but if they wanted to make a larger die, they could compete with the 5080 and 5090 no problem.

The 5090 isnt special. It just has a massive die size. Thats the only reason its a beast of a card.

AMD is also not really behind in ray tracing anymore either. They largely closed the gap with this new generation. Not sure where youre getting your info, but you are way off the mark.

 

[Sky High]

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

No, their cars do not suck at all. This isnt 15 years ago. China has the most advanced cars in the world. Youre just xenophobic

 

[AnilD]

If this really is an early sample with unoptimized drivers, it’s not unusual to see bizarre specs like 256MB VRAM and ultra-low clocks. The bigger question is whether Lisuan can scale fast enough to catch up, especially with SMIC’s 6nm node limitations. Performance might be disappointing now, but it’s kind of like watching the early days of AMD's Zen.

 

[Hassanabi]

You mean offering them higher pay on the free market, which isnt stealing
The AMD 9070 is meant to compete with the 5070, which means they arent behind at all. They choose not to go after the high end market because they dont have the r&d funds to develop it, considering how small the high end market is, but if they wanted to make a larger die, they could compete with the 5080 and 5090 no problem.

The 5090 isnt special. It just has a massive die size. Thats the only reason its a beast of a card.

AMD is also not really behind in ray tracing anymore either. They largely closed the gap with this new generation. Not sure where youre getting your info, but you are way off the mark.

I say they have difficulty keeping up and your answer is: They don't have r&d funds to develop it but they can keep up.

Seems a bit contradictive.

Meaning they can't create a card to keep up with the highest performance cards that Nvidia can offer with anything above a 5070.

With ray tracing, the 9070 is behind several 3xxx,4xxx,5xxx generation cards depending on the game. In the best scenario it beats a 5070, which together with a xx60 and xx50 cards are typically worse than Nvidia's previous generation (xx70), xx80, xx90 cards.

You didn't even bother naming AI because you know AMD is far behind on it, not just based on hardware but also software. They're not behind by a single generation, but several... They practically lost the AI race already and Nvidia is massively reaping the rewards from their early adoptation of it.

The only things AMD is good at with GPUs currently is price per watt(energy efficiency) and overall price for hardware.

If you want to play at 2-4k resolution and have framerates match or be around that of your monitor at 180hz+ for the smoothest experience and highest graphics sets WITHOUT framegen, no AMD card can offer that experience. So judging by everything I wasn't "far of the mark" as you stated.

What I stated is based on actual performance benchmarks that even you can pull up if you bothered. Then you would, if you're not intellectually dishonest obviously agree that AMD is at least:
1 generation behind on raw performance.
1 or multiple generations behind on ray tracing, depending on the set of games you test and resolutions.
Several generations behind on AI generation hardware/software.
^ Which is exactly what I summed up in my previous post.

No amount of cope with statements like "They can but they won't waste money on it, so they won't" - like statements will change this. Hypotheticals don't beat cards, where can one buy the imaginary cards that beat Nvidia's that AMD didn't create?

If they could EASILY create a card at similar/lower price levels as the 5080/5090 by just using a bigger die as you said. Then why won't they want to jump into that market when people are desperately hoping for (cheaper) alternatives in the same performance range? These cards will sell regardless if they can't beat the (5080)/5090 in most things.

 

[gamerk2]

I sadly disagree. Even if many chinese products are garbage, some are quite good and much cheaper. I'd prefer buying local products, but most of the time, they don't even exist or they're just national brands but the product itself is mostly manufactured in China. Anyways, the world needs to find ways to move away from China, India and the likes and to become more independent.

The only way to do that is to accept the fact most goods are going to be somewhere between 50% and 100% more expensive. And no, you aren't getting paid more to cover the difference.

That's the core issue here. You can't have a both cheap mass produced goods and goods produced here; it's essentially one or the other.

 

[gamerk2]

You're joking, right? Their cars still suck. Like, really, really suck. And EVEN if they didn't. Anything, with any level of electronics, from China, is an automatic no-go. You are universally stupid if you purchase/use them.

Chinas cars are at least ahead of the US's at this point, and are fast becoming about as good as what Japan (Nissan excluded, of course) puts out.

I'd go even farther: In most industries, China is ahead of the US, and those they aren't they're expected to close the gap by the end of the decade. China has global ambitions, and their government is throwing absolutely insane amounts of money directly into R&D and production, and it shows.

 

[Knot Schure]

A large part of that is just brute forcing it.
Easy to compare at the moment as the RTX 5090 and AMD RX 9070 XT are made on very similar processes.
The RTX 5090 has a die size of a whopping 750 mm² (that's about as big as single dies get!)
The RX 9070 has a die size of a mere 357 mm².

So to compare 'how behind' they are you'd have to look at a chip closer in size. The RTX 5070 Ti is slightly bigger (378 mm²) but some shaders are disabled so the actual functional area might be rather close.
And would you look at that, RTX 5070 Ti vs RX 9070 XT the results are a bit of a wash. Depending on the title one is faster than the other in raster. Raytracing skews towards NVIDIA - but AMDs chip is smaller.


They're almost dead even, which is impressive considering how much bigger NVIDIA is.
Raytracing is indeed behind but I don't expect that to be something that can't be overcome, look at the big step they made in one generation (the first time they started taking raytracing serious).
AI is more of a software (CUDA) thing, models that run on AMD do run a-okay and fast as well.


Intel is actually behind. For their performance the power draw is high and the die is fairly large. If whatever you're doing with AI has non-CUDA support chance are high that AMD or Intel will serve you better because their cards tend to come with more memory. It's just that not everything is made for them.
(Supposedly there's good progress made on ZLUDA and ROCM in recent times though)


So you want more competition and then you make statements like this on a public site? Badmouthing the only real competitor to NVIDIA.

Plenty of cases where AMD is the superior choice unless money absolutely isn't considered whatsoever. I'd personally take a €699 AMD RX 9070 XT over a €850 RTX 5070 Ti any day.
The AMD card:
* Is substantially cheaper
* Outperforms the NVIDIA card in the games I play
* Doesn't have a dubious power connector
* Doesn't have driver issues

And even if they were dead even in everything I'd still go with AMD because I prefer their software. NVIDIA made good progress with the NVIDIA App but still isn't as feature complete.

Is 'substantially cheaper' 150 EUR? I spend that on dinner.
* Doesnt have CUDA
* Anecdotal 'games you play'
* Got a stack of NVidia GPUs and have no power issues
* AMD are famous for their drivers, though not in a way they'd like. So thanks for that laugh.

 

[Axeia]

Is 'substantially cheaper' 150 EUR? I spend that on dinner.

look at it as a percentage then. That's almost 18 percent cheaper.
Most people are not in a position where €150 is something not to care about it, heck I can buy myself 2 weeks of groceries with that.

* Doesnt have CUDA

Irrelevant for a lot of people including myself, I game and I program. CUDA does nothing for me.

And technically there is ZLUDA which is from what I've heard from a friend who dabbles with CUDA has been getting really good.
"ZLUDA is a drop-in replacement for CUDA on non-NVIDIA GPU. ZLUDA allows to run unmodified CUDA applications using non-NVIDIA GPUs with near-native performance.

ZLUDA supports AMD Radeon RX 5000 series and newer GPUs (both desktop and integrated)."

* Anecdotal 'games you play'

To be fair I mostly play Heroes of the Storm and StarCraft 2 atm which are CPU limited.
(perhaps a slight AMD advantage as their driver overhead has historically been lower). But I'll get Warhammer 40k, Baldur's Gate and Farcry 5 at some point. The first 2 are better on AMD the latter on NVIDIA.

* Got a stack of NVidia GPUs and have no power issues

Great for you, I personally never had problems with Windows ME. It was far more stable for more than 98SE. I guess everyone else was wrong.

Can't deny there have been people having problems with it and it demonstratively being a bad design 12VHPWR on RTX 5090 is Extremely Concerning
12VHPWR is a Dumpster Fire | Investigation into Contradicting Specs & Corner Cutting

* AMD are famous for their drivers, though not in a way they'd like. So thanks for that laugh.

Ah yes, people randomly always bashing AMD because their drivers had problems... when exactly? The last major problem they had was with VEGA black screening which was the GCN5 architecture and only under certain conditions (which imo took them too long to track down and fix). Since then we've had, RDNA1, RDNA2, RNDA3 and are now on RDNA4 - all without major issues.

When did NVIDIA last have major issues? Oh right with the current generation.

AMD having bad drivers is a meme that's gotten out of hand. Their drivers when it comes to supporting games and stability have been fine for literally decades by now.
I'll bash 'em for being super slow with fixing corrupt display of the mouse cursor on a secondary display and high power draw in a dual monitor setup with different refresh rates. But NVIDIA hasn't been trouble free either (heck, my gf still can't watch a video on the second screen with a RTX 3060 whilst gaming with NVIDIA instant replay enabled - makes the video freeze).

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Yes, if you're well off and a RTX 5080 or better is what you're after I wouldn't recommend considering AMD. However if you're buying below that for a lot of people AMD makes perfect sense.

 

[Hassanabi]

look at it as a percentage then. That's almost 18 percent cheaper.
Most people are not in a position where €150 is something not to care about it, heck I can buy myself 2 weeks of groceries with that.

Irrelevant for a lot of people including myself, I game and I program. CUDA does nothing for me.

And technically there is ZLUDA which is from what I've heard from a friend who dabbles with CUDA has been getting really good.
"ZLUDA is a drop-in replacement for CUDA on non-NVIDIA GPU. ZLUDA allows to run unmodified CUDA applications using non-NVIDIA GPUs with near-native performance.

ZLUDA supports AMD Radeon RX 5000 series and newer GPUs (both desktop and integrated)."


To be fair I mostly play Heroes of the Storm and StarCraft 2 atm which are CPU limited.
(perhaps a slight AMD advantage as their driver overhead has historically been lower). But I'll get Warhammer 40k, Baldur's Gate and Farcry 5 at some point. The first 2 are better on AMD the latter on NVIDIA.

Great for you, I personally never had problems with Windows ME. It was far more stable for more than 98SE. I guess everyone else was wrong.

Can't deny there have been people having problems with it and it demonstratively being a bad design 12VHPWR on RTX 5090 is Extremely Concerning
12VHPWR is a Dumpster Fire | Investigation into Contradicting Specs & Corner Cutting

Ah yes, people randomly always bashing AMD because their drivers had problems... when exactly? The last major problem they had was with VEGA black screening which was the GCN5 architecture and only under certain conditions (which imo took them too long to track down and fix). Since then we've had, RDNA1, RDNA2, RNDA3 and are now on RDNA4 - all without major issues.

When did NVIDIA last have major issues? Oh right with the current generation.

AMD having bad drivers is a meme that's gotten out of hand. Their drivers when it comes to supporting games and stability have been fine for literally decades by now.
I'll bash 'em for being super slow with fixing corrupt display of the mouse cursor on a secondary display and high power draw in a dual monitor setup with different refresh rates. But NVIDIA hasn't been trouble free either (heck, my gf still can't watch a video on the second screen with a RTX 3060 whilst gaming with NVIDIA instant replay enabled - makes the video freeze).

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Yes, if you're well off and a RTX 5080 or better is what you're after I wouldn't recommend considering AMD. However if you're buying below that for a lot of people AMD makes perfect sense.

"AMD Adrenalin 23.2.1 drivers were released yesterday, offering updates for both the Radeon RX 7000 & Radeon RX 6000 GPU families. Now, the most current update appears to be crashing PCs, sending users error messages that exclaim that the system has an "inaccessible boot drive" error, reports several users from the ComputerBase forums."

^ 2 years ago, dodgy AMD drivers breaking Windows installations, that doesn't seem like decades ago as you proclaimed.

Acting like AMD never has issues with drivers while Nvidia supposedly has all the problems is not the reality either. They both have (had) dodgy drivers and hardware.

 

[Axeia]

"AMD Adrenalin 23.2.1 drivers were released yesterday, offering updates for both the Radeon RX 7000 & Radeon RX 6000 GPU families. Now, the most current update appears to be crashing PCs, sending users error messages that exclaim that the system has an "inaccessible boot drive" error, reports several users from the ComputerBase forums."

^ 2 years ago, dodgy AMD drivers breaking Windows installations, that doesn't seem like decades ago as you proclaimed.

Rather minor as in it wasn't wide spread.
I consider it major when it starts showing up on tech sites / tech youtube channels.

Issues affecting a few or that just aren't severe are happening on both sides of the fence regularly imo.

Acting like AMD never has issues with drivers while Nvidia supposedly has all the problems is not the reality either. They both have (had) dodgy drivers and hardware.

Who is? Not me. I said major issues (as in wide spread and severe). I fully agree that both sides have issues, but the major ones most recently have been on NVIDIAs side. AMD has gotten all the driver bashing on every single site I visit in the comments section for like 3 decades now whilst in actuality it isn't actually much worse or better than NVIDIA.

AMDs often slower in fixing things. But considering NVIDIAs valued at 3 trillion and AMD at 0.23 trillion USD it's a miracle they even compete in the same space at roughly the same level.

I'm sure NVIDIA will fix the current(?) black screen issues. Personally for drivers I see AMD and NVIDIA are a wash for me and have been for a long time now. I keep flip flopping between the brands (RX 290X, GTX 960, GTX 970, RX R9 Fury, RTX 3060, GTX 970 Ti, RX 580, RX 6700 XT etc etc - my GPU history is diverse and mostly just affected by value and good deals).
Heck, ages ago I used both at the same time and even that experience was surprisingly good and stable. I had a NVIDIA GT 520 hooked up over expresscard slot on a Laptop with AMD 7850M graphics so I could get a WQHD signal out of the laptop for my external monitor.

 

[Loadedaxe]

Yeah, the Lisuan performs like a GTX 660 Ti......a 13-year-old card, but that’s not the point. It’s China’s first fully domestic gaming GPU.

Useless for modern AAA titles, sure, but strategically massive. It’s less about frame rates and more about independence. Today it crawls, but tomorrow? You gotta start somewhere and they have started, that means, they won't stop.

It’s self-reliance. Reducing dependence on foreign tech, especially in the GPU space where China’s heavily reliant on U.S. companies, is a national priority. This card is more about breaking ground than breaking benchmarks.