Who wants to go to Mars with me?

well, i think you're getting me a bit wrong here. i read your posts, and if you posted about those notes you mentioned, i'd read it too. i'm not trying to say "BAH! Take ur geology stuff somewhere else!".. please don't get me wrong..
i have to agree, none computer stuff is quite fun to read too. that's why we have a Gen. Disc (now meeting spot) forum.
and actually you're not the only one who doesn't want to have a computer career. if i remember, Boby too, didn't want to have a computer career. And Phantasm66 always says "Get out and find some girls!!" :D
why did you think that "if i had a time machine" thread went so long... physics, time, space...muwahaha...
 
Originally posted by Ai Hate
well, i think you're getting me a bit wrong here. i read your posts, and if you posted about those notes you mentioned, i'd read it too. i'm not trying to say "BAH! Take ur geology stuff somewhere else!".. please don't get me wrong..
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Good. I was a bit suprised when I read your posts to be honest. Guess I did take it the wrong way - for that I apologise.
Tomarrow sometime - provided I do find those notes - I will post on that. While I don't expect people to believe everything that I have/will post in this thread, I do hope that you don't not read it and disagree just because of "fill in whatever reason here".
 
Einstein's comment, "God does not play dice," became notorious. The phrase uses the present tense, not the past. This suggests that Einstein was probably not referring to the fact that a creator God would not in the beginning have created a universe in which chance reigned supreme. Rather he may have meant that as God or reason incarnate, the universe could not be governed by chance alone.
http://www.2think.org/einstein.shtml
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Originally posted by Mictlantecuhtli
In the beginning, there was nothing, and then it exploded
:haha:
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We had a hard time grasping that concept in class too. Doesn't make much sense thats why there was that "Laws of physics do not apply" thing. Basically there is no explanation and scientists made something up to explain it.
 
I think that's where a higher power comes in. Us humans think too linear. The universe is beyond our understanding.
 
Now it is time....

Originally posted by SNGX1275
Here you go guys: (for those interested)
Well its hard to write atomic weight and atomic mass without doing it in a math program. So here is what I'm going to do. if I right 1:1H that means 1 proton and 1 neutron. 13:7C means 7 protons 6 neutrons.

So 1st we started with hydrogen and helium like I said in that previous post but here is how helium forms:
*1:1H + 1:1H +1:1H +1:1H ----> 4:2He
*This process is called electron capture. It converts a proton to a neutron when it captures the electron.
*He production results in densification of core of stars which leads to a temperature increase.
*At about 100Million degrees Kelvin He fusion occurs:
4:2He + 4:2He + 4:2He ----> 12:6C with Intermediate Li, B, Be
*Carbon atoms form a catylist for further reactions
*CNO cycle (carbon nitrogen oxygen)
* 12:6C + 1:1H ----> 13:7N + gamma
* 13:7N ----> 13:6C + a Beta particle (positron)
* 13:6C + 1:1H ----> 14:7N + gamma
* 14:7N + 1:1H ----> 15:8O + gamma
* 15:8O ----> 15:7N + Beta
* 15:7N + 1:1H ----> 12:6C + 4:2He which is the catylist for the CNO cycle - its recycled. the 4:2He is an alpha particle when stripped of electrons.
* Alpha Particle Fusion
* 12:6C + 4:2He ----> 16:8O
* 16:8O + 4:2He ----> 20:10Ne
* 20:10Ne + 4:2He ----> 24:12Mg
* there are 9 more steps to this which continue all the way up through formation of 56:28Ni, that is the last of alpha particle fusion. I don't think I need to continue the pattern as it should seem obvious after 3 examples. (the nickel formed is radioactive, it decays to a stable Iron)
*NOW 1 OF 2 THINGS CAN HAPPEN
1. Reaction continues until all of the He is used up, then the star fizzles out and forms a "White Dwarf" which has a cool dark Iron Core and the other elements that formed (smaller than Fe). Note: Our sun will take this path.
2. This is the cool one
Neutron Capture occurs in Red Giant Stars
* 62:28Ni + 1:0n ----> 63:28Ni + gamma Note: I must have temporarly fallen asleep during this class because I don't have in my notes how we got from that alpha fusion to 62:28Ni....
* 63:28Ni + 1:0n ----> 63:29Cu
* This is the process that formed all further elements

Now you might be subconsiously wondering why we have heavier elements than Iron on Earth, espically since our Sun is taking the wrong path. Well it simply means that our solar system is a result of at least 1 supernova explosion (red giants can do the whole supernova thing).

While I'm rambling on (you guys don't have to read the rest) I'll include some observations about elements in our Solar System.
1. As atomic # increases abundance generally decreases.
2. Oddo-Harkins Rule:
- Elements with even atomic #s are more stable than odd.
- Number of neutrons also has an effect on nuclear stability:
Proton Neutrons Mass # Of Stable Isotopes
Even Even Even 168
Even Odd Odd 57
Odd Even Odd 50
Odd Odd Even 4 (Li, Be)
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It appears that the spacing isn't work right for that table, you'll just have to imagine they line up :).
 
Originally posted by erwin1978
Here's an interesting small article. If you've seen TheScreenSavers show, then you'd be familiar with Physicist Michio Kaku.

The last paragraph in the article probably sums up my entire insight of the future.
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What a great article you posted Erwin! I really enjoyed reading that!

I have read about a lot of these things before, as well as watching many documentaries, but that writer is very clear and concise and provides imagery that clearly conveys the complex subject matter. I liked it a lot. :)
 
Originally posted by Ai Hate
oh no... astrology...
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I think it is more of Astronomy.. Not astrology, right? Astrology is more like Terot reading and stuff. hehe.

I won't totally discount the big bang, but creating matter and energy from empty space that doesn't exist simply isn't logical. Is one of our most simple phsyics laws, "Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed"?

I realize this is more on the quantum, theoretical level, but I will never accept the big bang theory as feasible unless someone can show me how to create nothing from something.

At the same time, I'm not religious. I'm a well-defined agnostic I believe. So, while I won't totally discount it, God is not an answer in my opinion either.

Personally, I have just kind of accepted there was no beginning. It could have always been here, but we as humans simply don't have the capacity to grasp something without a birth and death.
 
Originally posted by Rick
I won't totally discount the big bang, but creating matter and energy from empty space that doesn't exist simply isn't logical. Is one of our most simple phsyics laws, "Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed"?
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Yeh you are right its not logical, I think thats why the scientists that came up with that history of the universe said "Laws of physics do not apply" as sort of a thing to "explain" the unexplainable.
I will have to agree that we just don't have the ability to think that something doesn't have to have a beginning. Sounds wierd at first but think - not living things have the same emotions as humans. Just think of it as something we just dont' have the ability to understand.
 
Here is my theory on the creation of everything:

At some point, Engery became Matter. Possably energy from some other dimension that became so powerful that it began to manifest itself in the form of matter in our dimension.

As for the Big Bang, I beleive that there have been several. Because of Gravity, all the matter in the universe will eventually come together. It will compress and explode like the big bang. Gravity will then eventually suck it all in again and the process will start again.

Obviously the planets are so far apart that it will take billions upon billions upon billions of years for this to happen.

BTW, erwin1978, nice article.
 
Originally posted by SNGX1275

Yeh you are right its not logical, I think thats why the scientists that came up with that history of the universe said "Laws of physics do not apply" as sort of a thing to "explain" the unexplainable.
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Essentially we are talking about a kind of "chaotic" space, where laws like this might apply:

*The speed of light is either faster or slower than it is now.

*The speed of light can change in value.

*It is possible to travel faster than the speed of light.

Its thought that this kind of state existed, or something similar, in the first few moments of the universe's existence. The normal rules of physics did not apply, and what is currently impossible was possible and vice versa.
 
I'm just going to throw in a little thought and come back later to give my full explaination.

I believe their are many universes each created by the singularity of a black hole suddently tearing into spacetime and then exploding, therefore creating a new dimension, as we have labeled it. After all there is a finite mass in the universe and the singularity of a black hole is incredibly dense and heavy with a massive amount of mass. Since all the mass in so compacted the temperature in the singularity (by our laws) must be unbelievably hot, hence the explosion and immediate cooling. I also think that all the mass in the singularity is broken down into the most basic elements such as hydrogen and helium (don't ask me why, its just my theory). And since there are possibly millions and millions of black holes, I believe there are millions and millions of other universes. This is just a short little briefing of an arguement that would take days to explain. I know it might sound crazy, but with what little knowledge we know there is no telling what is possible and what is not possible.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I remember reading about that the universe is in a continuos cycle of expanding, collapsing and expanding again. One cycle takes some time, though. Was it billions of years.. *searches for that newspaper*
 
According to my Astronomy1 class, our sun:cool: goes through that same cycle. Originally, it was just a collection of gas and gradually pulled more gasses from the surrounding area into its core. Eventually, it became a gigantic ball of gas. As its mass got bigger it's gravity pull increased, pulling more gasses into it. Soon the gasses were so compact in the core and the increase in temperature ignited the gas ball and the sun was born.

In a few billion years, as the gasses are burnt up, the mass of the sun will obviously decrease and so does its gravity pull. With less gravity holding the gasses together, the sun will expand. The surface gasses will just spread out.

I forgot what happens next and how the cycle begins from the start. :mad:
 
Atheist theories

Here is my radical, no physical proof-ish theory as to how the universe began:
There are a lot more dimensions in existance, many more than the four with which we humans are currently acquainted (sp?). They warp or double back on each other....

This works if one views time as a dimension, as something that ceases to exist when all motion ceases to exist.

There could be loads of things out there, stuff which we humans, w/ our puny five senses, are completely unaware exists.

I have a hard time beleiving in theology because usually magic turns out to be scientific phenomena that had no logical explanation at the time. Also, this whole faith thing (beleiving and basing your life around something w/o absolute proof) really irks me. If I have to go out of my way to worship this, um, thing that is god/ God, that gosh darn it I think god/ God ought to come down and make these wishes painstakingly clear to me personally. The bible was written by humans, so it does not count in this particular respect.
Actually, I sort of think that God has some sort of self esteem issue, what w/ all of this worship nonsense. Who is God to devote 1/7th of my life to worhiping God? Creating something does not grant you complete control over it, and if I had known that my purpose was to act as God's play toy, I would not have bothered, geeze.
 
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