Why Hate only certain Companies?

By DAVEO ยท 46 replies
Jan 31, 2006
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  1. zephead

    zephead TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,569

    ahh, i haven't been on TS in quite awhile, and missed this thread.

    symantec, microsoft, and other comparable companies are disliked for one basic reason. they do whatever is nessesary to stay ahead of the competition, even if that means that consumers are stuck with an inferior product whose superior counterpart was eliminated.

    corporations like that have one goal in thier existence - make money, and they will go to questionable lengths to do so.
  2. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,666

    Gotta keep the stock holders happy.

    I'm in favor of small applications with specific jobs, not bottomless pits of functions, 80% unused, sucking up all your resources.

    And I second Linspire, check out their web site, watch the flash videos. Download the trial CD. Microsoft has already been after them more then once. And that must be a good sign when MS takes interest in a little guy.
  3. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    Hey guys, i have Zone Labs as my AV right now, and relizing that it doesn't serve it's purpose i have decided to stop my support and loyalty to them and get instead Kaspersky and was wondering if i need anuything else besides that to keep my computer safe.
    With zone labs they have everything, AV spyware and firewall...
    If i need to download other programs, please tell me what and if they work together... some AV uninstall others if they are running together.

    Please tell me...
  4. hewybo

    hewybo TS Maniac Posts: 435

    AV's don't play

    Very few anti-virus programs will work together, so you'll probly have to uninstall the old one. What I do- I have an AV that includes anti-spyware, then also use three other anti-spyware programs (M$ Beta-free-AdAware SE-free- and Trend Micro-subscription), cuz they all play nice together.

    I have, so far, had NO virus problems, and few spyware problems. Those I did encounter are detected by one or the other of the anti's. Just a suggestion- works for me. :D
  5. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    but what about firewall??? should i use the xp firewall? i heard it isn't verry good.
  6. hewybo

    hewybo TS Maniac Posts: 435

    Zone Alarm

    On the system where I'm running an anti-virus without a firewall, I'm using Zone Alarm, and it works very well. It's also free- just Google for the download. The Windows firewall is only one-way (incoming), and it's basically crap. Install Zone Alarm, and switch Windows OFF!

    Find Zone Alarm at:http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp
  7. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    I have zonelabs securety suit installed on my comp right now, but the last time i installed kaspersy it uninstalled zonelabs, should i get only the firewall???
  8. hewybo

    hewybo TS Maniac Posts: 435


    Yeah, just get the free personal firewall. I used it (firewall only) in conjunction with Panda Platinum and Titanium when I was having trouble with their onboard ones with no problems. I just switched off the AV onboard firewall, and installed ZA. Worked fine for me.

    BTW- we're really discussing this in the wrong thread- since I don't know how to move it, maybe the mod will. Though I'm not so sure he would want a wider audience listenin to my advice!! tee-hee :D
  9. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    Hi guys
    I am wondering, now that i have downloaded kaspersky 5.20 and relized that as soon as i update it, then restart my computer it can't start kaspersky anymore, becouse it says that the my pass has expired, and when i try put a new one it says something about not possible beocue of the blacklist... then i researched and they said in other forums that there is no way around it, it's the newset crack protection.
    But i have two questions,
    who has a working cracked kaspersky? from when onwards does that error uccur
    and is ther any way around it? patch or anything?
  10. hewybo

    hewybo TS Maniac Posts: 435


    Members of this forum do not use, and do not condone "cracked" anything. You will find no help in that regard.
  11. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 24,177   +19

    Techspot does not condone the use of pirated software.

    If you continue to ask for help with this issue, you will likely find yourself in hot water with the mods.

    Go and buy the programme. That way you will be entiltled to full support for the product.
  12. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    then how can one kneo if it is a good av or not?
  13. hewybo

    hewybo TS Maniac Posts: 435

    go to the website

    Almost every anti-virus program I can think of will allow you to download a trial version for free. Simply go to their website, enter the required info, and download it. The trial will be for a limited time, and MAY be a limited (not all features active) version. You use it for the allotted time period, then either purchase the full version, or uninstall it and try another.

    They will make no money if they allow people to continue "renewing" the trial version. If you can't make up your mind in 30 days (the usual period), then something is wrong.

    One last suggestion- if you have Windows XP, Micro$oft used to have an agreement with Computer Associates that Windows owners could use the CA ezTrust anti-virus free for one year. I do not know if that is still in effect. Otherwise, there are som FREE but legal AV's ot there; AVG, AVAST, and others. Another company-Novatix- has a free Beta version of their "Cyberhawk" AV. Check with them. There are many solutions, but if you have your heart set on just one-- dig in your pocketbook and pony up the funds! :wave:
  14. Vigilante

    Vigilante TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,666

  15. Jonas_football

    Jonas_football TS Rookie Posts: 16

    is the beta version free too? also for 30 days?
    there is bullguard 60 days trial, it also isn't bad.
  16. DAVEO

    DAVEO TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 33

    I have to agree with Athena, most peoples opinions are swayed what they hear or read from somewhere, and most people have a fundamental distrust of Big Companies to begin with. :suspiciou

    When your a :evil: "NORTON" (A brand everyone has heard of) we expect a exceptional product better that its rivals, and get even more angry when it doesn't deliver the goods as well as some lesser-known ones do. :haha: (BIG DEAL, Welcome to REALITY) We put our trust in big Name-Brands we all know but we should'nt, companies small or large only care about one thing - DOLLARS$$$
    Besides that, Male or Female just pick the right topic and most people just love a good bitching session to vent their frustration and anger :angel:TO CLEANSE THE SOUL

    Thanks Athena, its nice to see someone understands how others viewpoints can alter our own opinion. Truth, is only what you believe. If your given biased or misleading information and believe it, then it becomes your truth even if it is false.
    :eek:I know, i bought a Sony DVD player because "Its a Sony".
    WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP!!! My fault i believed in the name "Sony" instead of doing a bit of research first,(oops) but I dont hate Sony and all their products. I blame myself for buying the DVD player and just called it "a lesson learned" - end of story.

    I know others feel the need to vent thats fine, GO FOR IT but just try and keep it in perspective and stick to the actual facts for others who read your posts.

    Cheers All.
  17. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 5,837   +6

    One should keep in mind that hardware companies have different product lines. One can make devices with more or less features using better (expensive) or worse (cheaper) material and processes.

    The cheaper products are some no-name chinese crap with a new paint job and a shiny logo. Then there's the middle range that is products ordered from more famous OEM manuafcturers (NEC or Philips or whatever) with a new paintjob and a shiny logo. And then there's the high end products that may be in-house designs, but may as well be in-house designs from some other company with a new paint job and a shiny logo..

    When you buy a Sony, don't go for the cheapest crappy Sony, buy something that is above the middle point. (And do compare with similar products from competition).

    A software company doesn't need product lines. Their "product", once finished, costs virtually nothing and they can put arbitrary price tags on their stuff.. Make the toolbar a different colour, add a new menu and quadruple the price. Disable a feature and add a time limit (ten minutes of programmer time) and give the thing away for free as shareware. And actually it is one and the same product!
  18. Nukey

    Nukey TS Rookie Posts: 110

    Ive used Kaspersky for years now. I would never look back.
  19. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,273   +458

    LOL - I did the same thing. Bought myself a Sony DVD player thinking it would be good (paid $460 US for a single disc player), but I think it's the biggest piece of crap. I should've just gone with a Pioneer Elite DVD player or something. I can't wait to replace it but that won't happen till I finish my HTPC. I too chalk it up as a lesson learned.

    I love Microsoft (they make my job much easier and I love AD)
    I like McAfee Enterprise products
    I like Symantec Ghost

    - just wanted to name a few things I like that everyone else seems to hate.
  20. N3051M

    N3051M TS Evangelist Posts: 2,115

    well there are some companies that arn't all too bad, and worth the $$$ you pay for, provided you do research beforehand.. and with mcafee some of us dont have much of an issue with, just blameing everything on norton is habit :D jks..

    i'd reckon and most of the guys here would agree to is that norton Ghost was the best thing that happened in the whole computer universe (from being a norton, they were once a great company) as it did all these crazy and USEFULL things, and it was absolutely perfect.

    Keyword there being "usefull", although that phrase unfortunately ended in 2003 when Sysmantec Corp bought over Disk imager (or some company with names along that line) and thought "gee, i think consumers will like this.." and started to think and tehn in their usual style add more and more crap ontop (but version 10 hasnt reached that level of crap as their AV brothers).

    sorry for that outburst.. but it must be stated, that Ghost is slowly heading towards consumer death (dont know how ghosts can die but hey.. norton?) and the function of purely copying a hdd image from one place to another is not the priority of Ghost anymore, like it was first designed to do, and did well... therefore i'm taking the extreme and making sure i never loose my norton ghost 2003 cd.. as the numeric versions after it wont be backwards-os compatible (v9, v10) and dont have PCDOS anymore, just a windows elements stripped down..

    and to keep with the current conversation, my house is Sony free, exception for the bin outside which has a broken headphone in it with the word 'sony' running on the side of the earpiece =)

  21. Nodsu

    Nodsu TS Rookie Posts: 5,837   +6

    Symantec had really good products in the 90s, mainly because they bought the right companies and did not cripple the software acquired.

    Norton Commander, Norton Utilities (must be hundreds of times when Norton Disk Doctor saved my ****), Norton Ghost, Norton Guides (I didn't have any assembly books) were all great stuff.

    Ghost and Utilities still live on as horrible giant parodies of the sleek utilities they one were :( And Partition Magic shows that Symantec is unable to make good use of purchases either.
  22. lithiumdeuterid

    lithiumdeuterid TS Rookie Posts: 88

    If you are very fastidious, there is no need to have an anti-virus program on your computer at all. I've been without one for the last year. Every couple months, I do a scan with trend micro, and it always comes up with nothing but a few cookies. Not using Internet Explorer is probably a wise decision, too.

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