Windows 11 desktop watermarks start appearing on unsupported systems

[Ben Myers]

Ever since Microsoft issued its decree about Windows 11 hardware requirements, I have believed that Microsoft set the bar at Intel 8th gen or newer to satisfy all of its OEMs who buy Windows licenses to put in the boxes they sell. Nothing has happened to change that POV, held by many. Microsoft has not helped itself by explaining cogently why the bar was set so high.

Back at the 2021 2-month Black Friday event, sure enough tons of new computers were sold with Windows 11 and its latest tarted up user interface. All the computer manufacturers rejoiced and counter their profits. Now they are complaining the computer sales are down, surprise, because they are unable to satisfy Wall Street with steady profits. Can you hear the sound of sad violins playing as the industry gripes. I don't weep.

 

[Bullwinkle M]

It does by virtue of existence of boot load exploits. They are not new. They are completely understandable if you look into it.

Honestly you just keep posting contrarian rubbish. Cya.

Boot load exploits can be prevented without a TPM

In Windows XP, I use Driveshield
Several methods can be used in later versions of Windows to prevent unauthorized changes to the boot drive

I can boot to Windows XP, 7, 8.1, 10 or 11 from the same machine without worry of exploits and without a TPM

These are facts / not rubish

FACT CHECKS WELCOMED!

 

[BigRedPDX]

I work in IT. and the amount of users that bring me a bricked machine for one reason or another and want their data. But never backed up the bitlocker key so can't move the drive to even recover data. On by default and it doesn't auto backup the key is a disaster for 99% as most arnt tech savvy.

There is also that issue as well. In that case they are looking at a new hard drive and a clearing of the TPM cache, which, like you said, isn't a job for those who are not tech savvy. The main problem I'm having is when the TPM chip decides it doesn't exist causing the machine to not find a boot device. Generally it's fixed with a second reboot, but it's becoming a hassle on machines that get remoted into.

 

[Gastec]

You are just showing you don't know the value of TPM. That doesn't mean it has no value for security of machines. It absolutely does.

Bullwinkle M is right. How come TPM 2.0 has so much value now, all of a sudden, that Microsoft forces it upon the consumers and how come we've managed to live withouth it for so many years of computing?

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Bullwinkle M is right. How come TPM 2.0 has so much value now, all of a sudden, that Microsoft forces it upon the consumers and how come we've managed to live withouth it for so many years of computing?

I'd put money on the fact that I think Microsoft (or at least folks on the upper end of Microsoft) have their hands in some of the electronic companies that manufacture TPM chips. What better way to ensure that TPM takes off then having the most used OS back it?

In the end, it's always about money. If you can follow the money, I'd bet this is why TPM has become part of the Windows 11 requirements.

 

[Enesha]

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that others may see this as a normal thing for Microsoft or others to modify their firmware without their consent

For me, that is malware and I do not allow any Corporation to modify my firmware without my explicit consent

Others will continue to be baffled by unexpected changes to their firmware, and I will continue to enjoy the unchanging consistency of mine

I thought your point earlier was "
Updates do not make BIOS changes
Only End Users and "MALWARE" make BIOS changes!"

So are you saying now you believe that a WindowsUpdate can adjust your BIOS?
Or are you just saying that Windows is Malware? Not sure I can actually debate that part, but it's not overly helpful for moving a discussion further either.

You are a very aggressive and angry person...

 

[Bullwinkle M]

I thought your point earlier was "
Updates do not make BIOS changes
Only End Users and "MALWARE" make BIOS changes!"

So are you saying now you believe that a WindowsUpdate can adjust your BIOS?
Or are you just saying that Windows is Malware? Not sure I can actually debate that part, but it's not overly helpful for moving a discussion further either.

You are a very aggressive and angry person...

If Windows changes "my BIOS without my explicit consent", then Windows would be classified as malware for that specific reason, in addition to all the other reasons that Windows has been classified as malware

Updates cannot make security decisions on their own that can affect the end user without the users full consent

Malware does that!

Aggressive when the facts require it
Angry when Microsoft dictates security on "MY COMPUTER" and limits what I can do to fix the problems they cause, so yeah

Doesn't that make YOU angry???

 

[Darth Shiv]

Bullwinkle M is right. How come TPM 2.0 has so much value now, all of a sudden, that Microsoft forces it upon the consumers and how come we've managed to live withouth it for so many years of computing?

That doesn't make any sense. This is a common problem with people failing to understand risk because they haven't been stung by consequences. It doesn't mean there isn't risk or value just because you don't have personal experiences. And you are nowhere near qualified to understand the quantity of the problem so how can you judge the value of the solution?

 

[Darth Shiv]

I thought your point earlier was "
Updates do not make BIOS changes
Only End Users and "MALWARE" make BIOS changes!"

So are you saying now you believe that a WindowsUpdate can adjust your BIOS?
Or are you just saying that Windows is Malware? Not sure I can actually debate that part, but it's not overly helpful for moving a discussion further either.

You are a very aggressive and angry person...

I know for a fact most mobos nowadays have windows installers for bios updates so it's a no-brainer that malicious bios could be installed by windows applications. I mean how can people not understand how easy it is to compromise a bios nowadays with a malicious application? And there are thousands of vectors for malware to infect a windows PC. And a bios infection is the worst case scenario for system compromise.