Rumor: Windows 8 to arrive on January 7, 2013

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1. January 22, 2011 4:17 PM
   

   Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

   captaincranky wrote:

   Not all older programs run as well in Win 7, as they do in the XP they were designed for. Therefore, if you're gong to have this debate at all, it has to be met in a case by case, program by program manner, not by some ridiculous generalization regarding the specific OS.

   Yeah that's what i was on about. Games like the sims, sims 2, MS flight sim 2004 all run better on XP on my system. I have software on my Win 7 that possibly pulls it back when i have a go at running a game, where as my XP is totally clean (exept for hardware related software obviously).

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2. January 22, 2011 4:59 PM
   yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

   If you want to play old dx9 games till the end of time then thats your choice. I have Win7 64bit on a i7 with 9GB ram and 460gtx and I want to play all the shiny stuff in DX11. But to try to state categorically that Win7 has done nothing for gaming is talking out of your ass - what you mean is its done nothing for old games like MS Flight Sim 2004 and Sims 1/2 which is utterly different. Trolling or just ill-thought out?

   Anyway I do not look forward to Win 8. This is because we are on the final stage of a Win 7 migration at work and we have found that Win7 really needs Server 2008 to function properly. Due to server virtualisation we have experienced server bloat (too many servers now) and to expect all the servers in my company to be upgraded to Server 2012 when it comes out is unrealistic to say the least. We will be lucky to get them all to Server 2008 by then.

   So we are staring at another likely company wide upgrade to Win 8 where the servers will still run 2008 and such programs as App-V and anything else MS have come up with by then will probably be optimised for the newer systems.. meaning more work. Still, at least its work.

   And I know I will be installing a beta on my workstation as soon as I can get hold of it.. that I do like

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3. January 22, 2011 10:57 PM
   

   princeton said:

   captaincranky said:

   At the mods, "princeton" seems to keep invoking comments that you have to keep pulling down. Why is that?

   I don't think you should concern yourself with that. Also capital P would be appreciated :P

   I also stand by my opinion that people who cling to XP alone are holding back some amount of progress. From what I can gather you run a dual boot with win7 and XP, so you have contributed to creating Win7 market share which in turn will give developers more motivation to use APIs like DX11.

   In terms of apps running better on XP. Yes apps developed before Vista/7 were released will perform better on XP to some extent. But modern programs perform better on new operating systems, and from what's shown in the article I posted the advantages XP does hold with older programs is marginal at best. But the improvement win7 has with newer programs is more pronounced.

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4. January 23, 2011 2:52 AM
   

   captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

   I don't think you should concern yourself with that. Also capital P would be appreciated :P.

   Well, actually it is a concern to me, since I might want to respond to, or perhaps reinforce the missing posts.

   We might have appreciated the word, "of" that you omitted from a sentence here;

   "Nvidia readies the launch its GTX 560 Ti."

   Just a little error there.

   Terribly clever, that. Sometimes I misspell things, whoops. Or perhaps, we can't always get want we think we're entitled to. Happens to me all the time.

   I also stand by my opinion that people who cling to XP alone are holding back some amount of progress. From what I can gather you run a dual boot with win7 and XP, so you have contributed to creating Win7 market share which in turn will give developers more motivation to use APIs like DX11.

   Perhaps, but I still think that you're overestimating the value added by the people who are holding out. As I said earlier, M$ will move forward without them, (or without any impact from your self imagined influence). This is because, if their propaganda machine can convince a large market that Windows 8 is indispensible, they will make tons of money, despite the anachronism that XP wil have become by then. The few that cling to XP at that time, will not be a significant factor. There are still way more prebuilt computers, than there are enthusiast built machines, so that market, IMO, will still be M$ primary target.

   The high end gaming market compares roughly to the racing divisions of common car brands. It's there for promotion, not for a primary source of income. My interpretation is this, "impress them with a Corvette, if it helps you to sell them a Chevy Nova".

   Besides, as I understand it,Windows 7 is doing just fine, without you cheering it on.

   In terms of apps running better on XP. Yes apps developed before Vista/7 were released will perform better on XP to some extent. But modern programs perform better on new operating systems, and from what's shown in the article I posted the advantages XP does hold with older programs is marginal at best. But the improvement win7 has with newer programs is more pronounced.

   You ascribe all the credit to Win 7, when perhaps it's only part of the equation. Newer faster computers, run newer heavier programs better, regardless of which OS is in the mix. (Disclaimer; I disqualify Vista from this statement). As I said in another earlier post, this should be debated on a program by program basis, not an XP versus Win 7 basis. With that said, a newer program isn't necessarily better, independent of which OS you choose to run it. There are plenty of bloated slugs around, written the day before yesterday.

   Hey, I'm a huge fan of Windows 7. I don't run dual boot, I just build another computer when the mood strikes. As a consequence of this, I suppose you could say I "dual boot", I just don't do it with the same machine.

   With that said, I have an XP / P45 / E7300 machine, that sometimes gets thought of in the, "hey, I'd like to run Windows 7 on that", sense.(I like the case, an original Antec 900). But reasonably speaking, it wouldn't be worth the money to make the necessary upgrades, so I "cling" to XP in that, while I play with my "Core i" machine.

   Really, think about it. To make the P-45 presentable as a Windows 7 machine. It would need a true quad CPU, (no multi threading dual core available for LGA775), 2 more gigs of DDR-2, (which would cost more than 4 gigs of DDR-3), and a copy of Win 7, so figure $250.00 to $300.00 USD would do the trick. But, I doubt that me not making this upgrade is holding back progress, in any capacity.

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5. January 23, 2011 3:46 AM
   

   Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

   yukka said:

   If you want to play old dx9 games till the end of time then thats your choice. I have Win7 64bit on a i7 with 9GB ram and 460gtx and I want to play all the shiny stuff in DX11. But to try to state categorically that Win7 has done nothing for gaming is talking out of your *** - what you mean is its done nothing for old games like MS Flight Sim 2004 and Sims 1/2 which is utterly different. Trolling or just ill-thought out?

   First, did i ever say that Win 7 has done nothing for gaming old or otherwise?..Hold on i'm checking, hmmm, nope i never said that, so who's talking out of their *** now eh? not me pal.

   Second, let's flip it shall we...If YOU want to play all the new "shiney" stuff then that's YOUR choice. A few capital key words there that you should keep note on...Example

   Benny26 said:

   I'm the same. I keep an XP aside for gaming, it's always run MY games better than 7...Nobody can straight tell you that your wrong because people have different setups (including software aswell).

   Benny26 said:

   Yeah that's what i was on about. Games like the sims, sims 2, MS flight sim 2004 all run better on XP on MY system. I have software on MY Win 7 that possibly pulls it back when i have a go at running a game, where as MY XP is totally clean (exept for hardware related software obviously).

   You obviously didn't read my posts properly because if you would kindly see, i'm talking about MY system, not about the "Windows 7 gaming prowess" as a whole. And i never said "it's done nothing for old gaming", what i said was "XP runs MY games better than MY Win 7"....Now that's totally different.

   yukka --> "But to try to state categorically that Win7 has done nothing for gaming..." please feel free though to try and find where i "tried" to state Windows 7 has done nothing for gaming..You've got more chance of pulling a rabbit from your backside on that one.

   yukka --> "Trolling or just ill-thought out?" Well i wouldn't say you were "trolling", because that's not a very nice thng to say, however, i completely agree with you in the fact that your reply was "ill-thought out"

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6. January 23, 2011 9:24 AM
   yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

   Benny26 said:

   yukka --> "But to try to state categorically that Win7 has done nothing for gaming..." please feel free though to try and find where i "tried" to state Windows 7 has done nothing for gaming..You've got more chance of pulling a rabbit from your backside on that one.

   yukka --> "Trolling or just ill-thought out?" Well i wouldn't say you were "trolling", because that's not a very nice thng to say, however, i completely agree with you in the fact that your reply was "ill-thought out"

   Meh wrote that after a drink, just annoying when a thread gets utterly derailed. Lurker brought up playing games on Windows XP, not you anyway. Then again apart from mentioning flight sim and the sims, you took it fantastically personally.

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7. January 23, 2011 10:18 AM
   

   princeton said:

   @CaptainCranky

   When I made that post where the word "of" was missing it was because I was pointing out a tiny grammatical error. Comments like that get removed because they aren't really relevant, especially after the error is fixed.

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8. January 23, 2011 10:42 AM
   g4mer said:

   yukka said:

   If you want to play old dx9 games till the end of time then thats your choice. I have Win7 64bit on a i7 with 9GB ram and 460gtx and I want to play all the shiny stuff in DX11.

   I don't care much about DX11 and graphics. Isn't it the gameplay that's making a good game? Why play a game that's actually fun when you can waste hours watching pretty graphics and boring intros.

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9. January 23, 2011 11:43 AM
   yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

   g4mer said:

   yukka said:

   If you want to play old dx9 games till the end of time then thats your choice. I have Win7 64bit on a i7 with 9GB ram and 460gtx and I want to play all the shiny stuff in DX11.

   I don't care much about DX11 and graphics. Isn't it the gameplay that's making a good game? Why play a game that's actually fun when you can waste hours watching pretty graphics and boring intros.

   I get your point but some newer games are designed to use prettier techniques to build atmosphere - as games become more like interactive movies this becomes increasingly important. But of course pretty graphics dont make a good game - it has to go hand in hand with gameplay.

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10. January 23, 2011 4:57 PM
    

    Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

    Meh wrote that after a drink, just annoying when a thread gets utterly derailed. Lurker brought up playing games on Windows XP, not you anyway. Then again apart from mentioning flight sim and the sims, you took it fantastically personally.

    That's funny because I wrote my reply while having a drink aswell i mean it was a Sunday afternoon after all.

    Errr..I suppose i just thought that my commet was taken way out of scope as to what i actually was saying. The fact that pretty much all my games are DX 9 (and the fact that my Win 7 is stuffed up to the eyeballs with crap anyway), is more than less why my games play better on my XP...Pretty much what you were saying.

    So no worries anyway bud.

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11. January 23, 2011 5:20 PM
    

    captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

    Ladies, ladies...no fighting.......

    But to try to state categorically that Win7 has done nothing for gaming..." please feel free though to try and find where i "tried" to state Windows 7 has done nothing for gaming..You've got more chance of pulling a rabbit from your backside on that one.

    Hmmmm....., I "smell" a potential Podcast coming. ....

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12. January 23, 2011 10:17 PM
    

    matrix86 said:

    wow...2 pages worth of arguing about Win7, XP, and gamming on an article about the release of Win8. The mods of the site must be sleeping, lol.

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13. January 24, 2011 1:44 AM
    

    captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

    wow...2 pages worth of arguing about Win7, XP, and gamming on an article about the release of Win8. The mods of the site must be sleeping, lol.

    Well, if they have any sense they probably are.

    That said, if we weren't arguing about this, we'd be arguing about something else. So, pick a topic, any topic, and we'll fight to the death over it.

    So IMHO, this is as good a subject as any for contention.

    If you've been following this, you might have noticed that Lurker started the"XP vs Win 7" gaming argument, but Benny got dumped on for it. That's the only tragic twist going on.

    I don't really care who wins**, I've got, (at least), two of each OS.

    **(As long as it's me).......

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14. January 24, 2011 4:43 AM
    

    Benny26, TechSpot Paladin, said:

    Well it looks like there was booze involved in that little spat, so why break a near 3000 year old tradition? Post #27 explains what i was saying and how i was saying it perfectly, agreeing with the debate by "case by case" basis and not generally (as i was "dumped" for)...Anyway, that's over for me now.

    Ahem!, Windows 8, right...I wonder how much it will contribute to gaming? (now that's on topic, right? )

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15. January 24, 2011 12:20 PM
    

    3DCGMODELER said:

    Well all the software I use runs great on XP 64 Pro, I tried windows 7, and well nothing worked very well, slow and constant Software crashes, So I went back to XP 64 Pro, and removed the Windows 7 Partition..

    If windows 8 is good I will try it as a 2nd booter, if it preforms well with all the 3D software and AutoCad software I run, I will use windows 8, till then I sold my copy of Windows 7 to my Neighbor..

    He does not use such intense software as I do..

    I need an OS that can handle Large files, XP 64 Pro can, Win 7 could not..

    I also have a couple non MS os's on my machine that I use also..

    Intel i7 980X 6-core , 64gig of ram, 4 10,000 rpm drives..

    And Windows 7 just does not have it yet

    Maybe Windows 8 will, I heard they are making some good improvements to W8, I hope they work well when it comes out in beta, will see..

    Mike

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16. January 24, 2011 4:33 PM
    w3b0n said:

    I think windows 7 is the best OS from Microsoft so far, im a hardcore gamer with a mid range rig and i can run every game i want, even starcraft I with a little tweaking. Im a PC user that likes fast performance and a good looking graphic interface, windows 7 does the combination pretty well.

    Pretty sure that once the RC comes out ill be the first one to give it a try.

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17. January 25, 2011 11:12 AM
    yukka, TechSpot Paladin, said:

    Alcohol and arguments. Never saw that coming.. Reading arguments, seeing red, posting thread comments (badly worded - categorically seemed good at the time but even Lurker hadn't said Win7 did "nothing" and eating humble pie.. hmm

    Anyway, looking forward to a Win8 and Server 2012 migration start of academic year in 2013. hmmmmmm

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