$10 million Dota 2 eSports tournament to air on ESPN this weekend

By Shawn Knight · 28 replies
Jul 18, 2014
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  1. Valve on Friday announced they've partnered with ESPN for coverage of The International Dota 2 Championships. The event will be streamed live over ESPN3, the network's online branch, while a preview of the final match will air on ESPN2 starting...

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  2. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    Video games ≠ sports
  3. insect

    insect TS Evangelist Posts: 349   +132

    Eh, it's kind of like golf. Not a sport, but more of a competitive activity.

    Either way, it's tough as nails to get to the highest level and make a lot of money, just like most sports so I have a lot of respect for professional eSports players and definitely have my favorite teams/players. Twitch.tv is my entertainment most nights.
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  4. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    It's not at all like golf. Golf meets the fundamental qualifier of sport (coordinated use of the entire human physiology); eSports does not.
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  5. loading

    loading TS Enthusiast Posts: 67   +13

    Why not?

    Competitive physical/dexterous activity? Check
    Test of physical/mental endurance? Check
    Maintain or improve ability and skill? Check
    Provides entertainment for spectators? Check
    Has defined set of rules? Check

    Seems like a sport to me.

    Hell even Chess and Bridge are recognized sports by the Olympic committee. Are those not sports too?
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  6. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    Reexamine my qualifier. By the checklist of items you've put forward, even music, derivatives trading, and writing could be considered sports. I also hold the position that chess and bridge are cognitive sports and thus erroneously categorized by the Olympic committee. At best, they are exceptions to the rule.
  7. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,040   +678

    I love video games, but staring at a screen is not a sport.
    Do something with the Oculus and that contraption that lets you move on rollers to simulate walking and running could maybe possibly be a sport...
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  8. Protogenic

    Protogenic TS Rookie

    Exactly, DOTA "eSports" is a cognitive sport and therefore a sport. Don't try to refute what screams in your face.

  9. Any "sport" where teenagers can beat adults is not a real sport. That would include many Olympic events, golf, swimming, and e-sports. I guess tennis is borderline but the best are adults.

    To me, the ultimate sport would be 2v2 mixed martial arts. To win would be a combination of skill, intelligence, teamwork and physicality. Not too many BS arbitrary rules to decide a winner.
  10. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    I'll refute anything that smacks of falsity – and this smacks of falsity. A sport and a cognitive sport are two different classes of game and therefore not the same.

    Sport (proper) – A game or activity that requires an athlete to coordinate the actions of his entire body to the achievement of a defined goal.
    Cognitive sport – A competitive game or activity primarily involving the mind.

    There are thus two important distinctions between an actual sport and a cognitive sport: 1) the participation of a physical athlete 2) use of the whole body as the primary means of achieving the goal.

    Because eSports, by definition, do not meet these criteria, they are not sports. The only way they can be properly classed as sports is if they adopt an athletic component as the core means of achievement, as @hahahanoobs pointed out.

    To help clarify the distinction between a sport and a cognitive sport, I will demonstrate with an example from biology, which will perhaps better illuminate my position: Fish and land mammals are both animals and vertebrate. Nevertheless, an aquarium isn't a zoo.

    The same relationship exists here.
  11. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    You realize, that by this definition, every sport ever played isn't really a sport?
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  12. H3llion

    H3llion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,377   +286

    Chess and Darts are classified as sports as well and there are many non-contact sports too!
  13. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    Darts fits the definition of a sport, as do most non-contact sports. Chess, as mentioned earlier, is improperly classed.
  14. You think any teenager can beat lebron? or teenage lebron can beat current lebron? American football, teenagers would get murdered.
  15. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    I think that me and a friend played basketball against my friend's father and his co-worker when we were teenagers and won. Therefore, basketball isn't a real sport:

  16. A sport is a sport who care whether it's cognitive or physical.

    - Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively

    Now lets all post different definitions of the word sport and argue about it!

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  17. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,737   +3,757

    Well, there's this line from the original article: "That said, do you believe competitive gaming, or eSports, is a real sport?"

    So, the question should lead us to a binary response? Yes/no? 0/1?

    I suppose the necessity and thoroughness of humoring such an inquiry is contingent upon what truly constitutes an answer and differentiates it from a mere "response".... :p
  18. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,274

    You've gotta be desperate to wanna watch anything like this but competing in it is probably a different story. Call me old fashioned but I certainly don't see video games as a sport, I see it as recreation or a pastime.
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2014
  19. Steve

    Steve TechSpot Editor Posts: 2,869   +2,037

    WOW $10mill prize money and ESPN coverage, just WOW! And you guys are arguing over if it's a sport or not lol :)
  20. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,726   +3,700

    Lets turn typing into the next sport and enter the contestants in the Olympics! Or should it remain categorized as a resume quality or professional asset? Your local zoo deserves 10Mil, more than some lazy gamer.
  21. H3llion

    H3llion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,377   +286


    I can say the same about other actual physical sports that are in the Olympics, simply ''desperate'' to watch, but to each their own. Younger generations love it, older hate it, it's like music, movies and pretty much anything that older folks tend to find was better back in the day compared to know. You have simply been outgrown.

    This is a new era, deal with it as it is here to stay and over time it will be accepted by more higher percentage of the Worlds population.

    If someone finds a value in it, it gets adopted faster. See this new era of crypto-currency. Another example is Marijuana (I know, far out of topic example), the older folks in Governments tend to be more against the legalization, however as you get more younger individuals entering the Government with more "open" mindset, you will see the legalization.

    "If Golf/dart can be classified as an athletic activity, then playing PC can too. It's competitive, no doubt about that, and it requires skills. While it may not require the stamina of running a marathon, it requires at least as much concentration, and probably a lot more. I would call it an intellectual sport."

    There is a market for it and its generating revenue. It's being widely accepted by more and more people and it's here to stay.

    If there is a market for it then why not? There is a huge difference between typing and gaming, if you can't see that then you are blind. Your local zoo deserves more than average professional football (soccer) player. There are plenty of examples of what causes "deserve" more money than what certain individuals make. The money was raised by the players (see Dota 2 compendium).

    You think any high schooler can beat a college student? Experience is a key (of course there is some examples). Comparing a youngster who is working to become a professional basketball player to a fully fledged basketball player is simply moronic.

    In terms of football. Well hmm, let see. Comparing someone who has fully developed body to someone who is still in natural development state. Good job!

    Competitive SC2/LoL/Dota takes much more intellectual power than most if not all traditional physical sports.

    Also a lot of young adults are in the Olympics.

    Exercise is advised if you don't want to get hemorrhoids or blood clots, but I suppose not a requirement to achieve the top in gaming or to stay competitive. It's also marketed as "electronic sport" rather than just "sport". A new venue. There are new job titles, sports and so forth being created all the time. It's called "evolution".
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  22. yorro

    yorro TS Booster Posts: 251

    Only old people would argue that eSports is not an actual sport. Video games HAS come a long way, from your living room into a global event watched by millions.

    The real definer is the market, BASEketball can turn into an actual sports if the world choose to do so. Just like any other activity.
  23. H3llion

    H3llion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,377   +286

    On the other hand playing the game for fun does not equal to "sport", so there is that as well.
  24. GeforcerFX

    GeforcerFX TS Evangelist Posts: 576   +185

    Well I wouldn't qualify gaming as s sport just has competitive levels, but espn shows thing that aren't sport related all the time, World series of Poker is on ESPN 2 a lot, wouldn't consider poker to be a sport.
  25. Recipe7

    Recipe7 TS Booster Posts: 143

    Tennis is not a sport? What is wrong with you people.
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