2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Review

Rvnwlf

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Here's the thing, If it isn't easy then it's not going to happen. Let me explain... Yes plugging a vehicle in when you get home or to your destination is easy enough. There needs to be serious infrastructure in place before an EV would be practical for me to invest in one. You can add all the charging stations you want, increase the charging rate to decrease the amount of time it takes to charge. When I'm talking infrastructure I'm talking about a technology where charging is built into the roads. Think of the old slot car tracks. There was a project that I whish would have taken off more than it did. Does anyone remember "SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS" well Solar Roadways. It would take decades to implement but personally I feel it's the direction or goal we need to strive to reach. If not that something like it.

Imagine, not needing to have a battery big enough that would be able to hold a charge for your 300-400 mile range and would operate more like an electric tram. Power/charging as you go. Cue charging is a perfect example. Obviously it would need to be considerably more advanced then that but just imagine....
 

scavengerspc

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what should "scare" you is the finite amounts of lithium, how dirty it is, how not recyclable batteries are, yet, some people think that this is all somehow "eco friendly" and "green" instead of fad that it is.
EV batteries are already being recycled.


And the coming EV dominance passed fad stage back with the EV1.
 

scavengerspc

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plugging a vehicle in when you get home or to your destination is easy enough. There needs to be serious infrastructure in place before an EV would be practical for me to invest in one


From the write-up:

Fact: If 80% of all passenger cars become electric, this would lead to a total increase of 10-15% in electricity consumption.
So far, the market entry of EVs has been very predictable and the electric grid is constantly being developed in parallel. Current EV market trends show low to moderate energy uptake rates.
 
"The sprint from 0-60 MPH takes just 4.8 seconds, almost the same as a V8-equipped Mustang GT."

What... That's a nice 1.1 seconds off an auto V8...
 

sorten

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... batteries dying after 10 years
What? Why would a battery die after 10 years? Most EV batteries should be good for 400-500K miles, far longer than the first three owners of the average ICE vehicle drive. And then those batteries get repurposed (ex: storage batteries for solar farms) or recycled.

As for poor people, you can buy a lightly used, off-lease EV for $10 - $14K, and it will car far less to operate than your typical Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. And those options will only improve as more EVs become available.

Pro tip: buy a used Bolt EV now, and in the next year or so you'll get a brand new battery pack from GM after they sort out their legal issues with LG.
 

wiyosaya

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Yeah, but will It run Crysis?

Also, I'm not digging EVs. Plugin hybrids yes, switching totally to EVs, like some car manufacturers or countries declare, will leave huge chunks of population dependant on public transport and bicycles, as both, batteries dying after 10 years and manufacturers treating those cars as walled garden when It comes to out-of-warranty service, will make EVs unavailable as a preowned option for 90% of population (poor people).
I have a 2006 Prius still going strong on its original traction battery after nearly 110K miles. Head on over to priuschat.com or search for the longevity of Prius batteries. I think you will find it is significantly higher than you think.

If you have any real world data on which to base your claim of batteries dying after 10 years, I would be interested in seeing it. Hint - I don't think you will find any such data. EVs simply have not been around long enough so that that data exists.
 

scavengerspc

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I have a 2006 Prius still going strong on its original traction battery after nearly 110K miles. Head on over to priuschat.com or search for the longevity of Prius batteries. I think you will find it is significantly higher than you think.
And to add to that, the earliest Ford Focus EVs (2011) are clocking in at well over 100k and still have 90% +\- remaining.

And just an FYI, battery health can be checked with the Battery Degradation Tool.
 

wiyosaya

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EV batteries are already being recycled.


And the coming EV dominance passed fad stage back with the EV1.
There's always those around who are willing to spread FUD about Lithium batteries.

I doubt, however, lithium batteries will be around forever. https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/20...ould-overpower-todays-lithium-ion-technology/ and https://www.chemistryworld.com/news...tteries-ready-to-take-on-lithium/8427.article
And the company mentioned in the article - https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/ is said to be producing such batteries already.

IMO, many out there just do not have the foresight, in light of the significant amounts of promising research that is out there, to accurately predict anything about what the future of EV batteries will hold.
Even GM https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabu...um-ion-batteries-for-new-evs/?sh=6782e8014f10 has taken things further than current lithium battery tech.

This above article on Aluminum batteries was written in 2015. It now appears that aluminum batteries are being manufactured by the above company and will be available in the next year or so. Even if they are not, there is far more battery research that is going on than even I know about. I bet that in the not-to-distant future we will see significant advances in battery technology hit the market.
 

wiyosaya

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Here's the thing, If it isn't easy then it's not going to happen. Let me explain... Yes plugging a vehicle in when you get home or to your destination is easy enough. There needs to be serious infrastructure in place before an EV would be practical for me to invest in one. You can add all the charging stations you want, increase the charging rate to decrease the amount of time it takes to charge. When I'm talking infrastructure I'm talking about a technology where charging is built into the roads. Think of the old slot car tracks. There was a project that I whish would have taken off more than it did. Does anyone remember "SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS" well Solar Roadways. It would take decades to implement but personally I feel it's the direction or goal we need to strive to reach. If not that something like it.

Imagine, not needing to have a battery big enough that would be able to hold a charge for your 300-400 mile range and would operate more like an electric tram. Power/charging as you go. Cue charging is a perfect example. Obviously it would need to be considerably more advanced then that but just imagine....
Like I've said in my other posts, Lithium batteries are not going to be around forever; I doubt it's practical to convert roadways to "giant slot car tracks." I don't, however, have a great fortune teller that can accurately predict the future. I am sure you do not either.

However, I think your statement "If it isn't easy, then it's not going to happen" is rather short sighted. Landing several manned missions on the Moon was not easy, however, it happened.
 

Tantor

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"The sprint from 0-60 MPH takes just 4.8 seconds, almost the same as a V8-equipped Mustang GT."

What... That's a nice 1.1 seconds off an auto V8...

The ESV Mustang weighs between 4,400 to 4,800 pounds. That's INSANE.

My 2011 WRX does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. It has all wheel drive. It gets 300+ miles on a full tank, which takes about 5 minutes to fill. It's a great family car. It weighs 3,200 pounds. It's 1,200 pounds less than this bloated 'mustang'.

These ESVs are literally pigs. And they're extremely expensive.





 

scavengerspc

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The ESV Mustang weighs between 4,400 to 4,800 pounds. That's INSANE.
I have asked you before, and you didn't answer, so I will try again. We know its range, we know its handling, so what does weight have to do with it? It weighs what it weighs.

My 2011 WRX does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. It has all wheel drive. It gets 300+ miles on a full tank, which takes about 5 minutes to fill. It's a great family car. It weighs 3,200 pounds. It's 1,200 pounds less than this bloated 'mustang'.
The Mach E also gets 300+ mile range. It will vary by conditions, of course, but so do smokers. A WRX is slower than a Mach-E. You obviously modified your car to get 0-60 in 4.6 seconds (good job by the way!) Factory 2011 WRX 0-60 is 5.1 to 6.0 seconds, depending on trim (Motor Trend got 5.1 and Car and Driver got 5.4) The real bloat, in my opinion of course, is a WRX at 3200-3400 lbs. And new it was $40K! Talk about overpriced and under equipped.

Also. It takes mere seconds to plug in at the end of the day.

These ESVs are literally pigs. And they're extremely expensive.

No, they are not. And it is proven every day.
 
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Ludak021

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EV batteries are already being recycled.


And the coming EV dominance passed fad stage back with the EV1.

Lithium from them is not recycled yet. Scientist won Nobel in 2019 for figuring out HOW to recycle lithium. Do research, see how much recycling lithium from batteries costs. Hint: more than just using new lithium. A lot more. By the time it gets cheaper, EVs will be dead.

edit: actually, just see how many stuff is being recycled today. If not profitable, it's not being recycled, because it costs money, and China doesn't want your trash any more.
 

scavengerspc

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Lithium from them is not recycled yet. Scientist won Nobel in 2019 for figuring out HOW to recycle lithium. Do research, see how much recycling lithium from batteries costs. Hint: more than just using new lithium. A lot more. By the time it gets cheaper, EVs will be dead.

edit: actually, just see how many stuff is being recycled today. If not profitable, it's not being recycled, because it costs money, and China doesn't want your trash any more.
I did read up, that's why I gave the link I gave man.

From the Link I gave:
"But don’t worry — for lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries, we at Battery Recyclers of America provide white-glove services to palletize your batteries that adhere to federal DOT safety regulations."

Did that clear it up, or am I missing your point?
 

Ludak021

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I did read up, that's why I gave the link I gave man.

From the Link I gave:
"But don’t worry — for lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries, we at Battery Recyclers of America provide white-glove services to palletize your batteries that adhere to federal DOT safety regulations."

Did that clear it up, or am I missing your point?
Yea, they recycle everything from batteries except lithium.

It doesn't matter really. People living in buildings wont adopt EVs that's that.
Hybrids? sure.
Resale values of EVs and hybrids? low compared to ICEs'. So, rich countries and people in houses - great, drive EVs. The rest of the world (over 7 billion people) don't have that luxury. Therefore - a fad.
 

scavengerspc

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It doesn't matter really. People living in buildings wont adopt EVs that's that.
Hybrids? sure.
There are a number of Apartment buildings that have added plugin for EVs indoors and outside, and there will be way more soon, IF they want to have people renting from them. It's not as hard as you think to install.

Resale values of EVs and hybrids?
All EVs, and especially Hybrids, from the last 6 years or so have had their resale values balance to near smokers. Don't believe me? Just check Carmax, TrueCar or Carvana.

The rest of the world (over 7 billion people) don't have that luxury. Therefore - a fad.
There was a time when people had to store gasoline because gas stations were so far apart.

Definition of Progress from Webster:
"to develop to a higher, better, or more advanced stage"

 

Ludak021

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You are basing everything on your econmic situation in USA. How about Egypt? Indonesia? India? China? Russia?

Yea, 100 million people from the rich western countries will buy anything, even EVs.

The thing is, there are better solutions that are popping up. Hydrogen is going to be big and accessible at gas stations with minor adaptions.

Definition of Progress from Webster:
"to develop to a higher, better, or more advanced stage"

yea, what does that has to do with destroying environment to get to lithium? Is that progress? Lets dig for lithium in California.
Progress, on other peoples expense is no progress. We have a saying here:
Lako je tudjim kurcem gloginje mlatiti. (I cant translate this here on forum, use serbian to english)
 
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scavengerspc

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You are basing everything on your econmic situation in USA. How about Egypt? Indonesia? India? China? Russia?

Yea, 100 million people from the rich western countries will buy anything, even EVs.
That is a very good point. But I would ask how many of those people that live in worst of conditions in those areas even have a car at all.

EDIT - Also let me add just as an FYI that I am not one of those people that think smokers are going away anytime soon.

Anyway, I think that smoking is a dangerous and filthy habit. For people and cars.
 
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Bp968

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The ESV Mustang weighs between 4,400 to 4,800 pounds. That's INSANE.

My 2011 WRX does 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. It has all wheel drive. It gets 300+ miles on a full tank, which takes about 5 minutes to fill. It's a great family car. It weighs 3,200 pounds. It's 1,200 pounds less than this bloated 'mustang'.

These ESVs are literally pigs. And they're extremely expensive.

I drove one of those mach-Es and it understeered less then the recent rexs I drove. Unless you go STI (I had an 06 sti) they just feel more FWD than AWD. FWD+ id say lol. I swapped to a g35x and much prefer it. It also actually holds up and doesn't fall apart like the 4 other subarus I owned over the years. Anyway, it drove quite well but lets be honest its not targeted again a WRX, its targeted against the outback or whatever subaru calls their SUV/crossover now.

I wouldn't trust the ford to not fall apart, but after the tax rebate the mach-e I drove (awd extended range) came in at about 35-36k, only 6k more than the msrp for a loaded 2011 WRX. So after inflation its probably only 2-3k different. Not to mention the 40-50$ worth of premium it takes to fill a rex now and the oil changes, etc etc.

EVs are happening. Its going to impact all of us, and way quicker then many people seem to realize. Its going to totally upend the auto repair industry and shake up (but definitely not kill) the modding and aftermarket industry. Its going to be very interesting to watch over the next decade.
 

Avro Arrow

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A four-door Mustang? That's pretty sacrilegious. Mustang enthusiasts everywhere will revolt. The only thing that I've seen that's worse is what I call the Toyota Axis (The BMW M4 that they dared to call a Supra).
 

Ludak021

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BMW Z4, not M4, and Toyota Supra with that engine is cheaper (and wont die every 20K miles), so I wouldn't complain :p
 

jelabarre59

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I did read up, that's why I gave the link I gave man.

From the Link I gave:
"But don’t worry — for lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries, we at Battery Recyclers of America provide white-glove services to palletize your batteries that adhere to federal DOT safety regulations."

Sure, "palletize" them, then find a poor 3rd-wourld country to dump them in.

I definitely want to see this stuff properly recycled, and they might actually be doing it. But "palletize" says nothing about them actually recycling. Clever wording, lots of weaseling space.
 

jelabarre59

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Funny, this ugly chunk of metal looks an AWFUL lot like an SUV. So just how is that a "Mustang"?

It's like hearing that Ford might be slapping the "Maverick" name on a pickup truck. It was insult enough when they tried to make a 4-door out of it and slapped fat-*** bumpers that probably added 50% extra weight to the car.