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Evernessince

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Do you really think Trump was in the room when that deal was struck with Microsoft... o He walked in and told all the people in that committee, what to do..?
FYI under the law any agent or person working at the president's behest makes Trump liable. This is why the Welles Fargo CEO was held liable for the fees he was charging customers without their knowledge. While he didn't directly sit there are take the money out of people's accounts, he did set the policy fourth and/or allowed it to continue under his leadership. Then again that's what most people expect from a leader, basic accountability.
 
Do you really think Trump was in the room when that deal was struck with Microsoft... The He walked in and told all the people in that DoD committee, what to do..?

Bezos and anyone who believes that suffers from TDS.
Perhaps his daughter was in the next room, texting dad who was sitting on a toilet throne at the time, while playing Amazons, and replied that he couldn't do another amazon right now.

Does this change things?
 
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gusticles41

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lulz^

Speaking of brainwashed. I just watch 9 h of hearing's yesterday. I don't get told by anybody what to believe.
  • Trump didn't withhold money, he delayed it by 41 Days.
Withheld, held back, suppressed, DELAYED.

  • Trump didn't "deface" anybody, Joe Biden criminal actions are his own, and it perfectly OK for a US Citizen to question Joe Biden activities. (Specially if he is running for President!)
There's a big difference between US citizens questioning a candidate's activities, and using your presidential power to delay aid to a foreign power to manipulate them into digging up dirt on your opponent. It's embarrassing I even have to type that out.

  • Finding out the truth, is not "undermining our fundamental democracy". It is the exact opposite and the American Voters need to know (before the election) whether or not Joe Biden is a Criminal.
^Echoing above response. Manipulating a foreign country by means only the president could to gain any type of leverage in an election is not only undermining democracy, it's ****ed up.
 

m3tavision

TS Evangelist
I should probably point out that congress's subpoena power is in the constitution while executive privilege is not. In addition, this very topic was broached during the Nixon administration. The court found that Nixon's overly general excuse of protecting privileged executive information and individuals was outweighed by the greater public interest

"The Supreme Court addressed executive privilege in United States v. Nixon, the 1974 case involving the demand by Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox that President Richard Nixon produce the audiotapes of conversations he and his colleagues had in the Oval Office of the White House in connection with criminal charges being brought against members of the Nixon Administration for breaking into the Watergate complex. Nixon invoked the privilege and refused to produce any records.

The Supreme Court did not reject the claim of privilege out of hand; it noted, in fact, "the valid need for protection of communications between high Government officials and those who advise and assist them in the performance of their manifold duties" and that "[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process." This is very similar to the logic that the Court had used in establishing an "executive immunity" defense for high office-holders charged with violating citizens' constitutional rights in the course of performing their duties. The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II powers of the president as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III." Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence."


In other words, Trump has to have significant reason to block congressional subpoenas, especially given the gravity of their nature. I have seen no such explanation from Trump. I need to see a per subpoena reason.



1. False https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/trumps-hold-on-ukrainian-military-aid-was-illegal/
2. The fact that you don't realize that the president of the united states (and yourself) calling someone a criminal before they've even had their due process is astounding. Even more so that the only source for biden's purported illegal acts is conspiracy theories and Trump / Trump associates.
3. There are appropriate channels for investigating individuals. Not only did Trump side step those channels, he even went as far as to withhold aid and send his lawyer to act on his behalf. There was signifiacnt communication between individuals in the administration through irregular channels and Ukraine. I can only believe the waterboy BS excuse so many times.

Cut & paste..?

Congress doesn't have jurisdiction over the executive branch. And Executive Branch's sovereignty is spelled out by the Constitution.. and that process is what we called later, as "Executive Privilege".

The Supreme Court upholds this, because they CAN vote/judge/make/compel testimony. You are tryharding now, & using mass cut & paste FUD, to make it sound like you know something. Where did you learn such garbage. These Laws are not new...



1. Sam Berger is a fluff writer. And he loosely bases his theory using THIS: "It shows that the Trump White House created an irregular budgetary process to match its irregular foreign policy process with respect to Ukraine. " as a basis for his opinion..! Which is laughable and any first year law student can easily rebuttal.

2. Joe Biden incriminated himself. He said on national TV he forced them to fire the investigator. That alone is more evidence than you have then with trump. So why no equal application under the law..?

3. Trump didn't side-step anything. Why didn't Comey investigate Biden, back in Jan 2016 when Biden made those remarks.? Rush Limbaugh has been talking about Hunter Biden for over 2 years and said that Joe Biden would be an utter fool to join the Presidential race, because all of this will come out. Everybody was wondering why it wasn't being looked into by Obama's Ambassadors, etc. They swept it all under the rug... now it is coming out.

Trump makes Foreign policies, nobody else. And what is wrong with talking to Ukrianian officials..? s You make it sound as if People can't do that. Ever wonder why the news media paints it like what Trump was doing was bad..? It is only bad for 2 people, the Biden's. The rest of American voters want to know the truth.
 
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m3tavision

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There's a big difference between US citizens questioning a candidate's activities, and using your presidential power to delay aid to a foreign power to manipulate them into digging up dirt on your opponent. It's embarrassing I even have to type that out.

^Echoing above response. Manipulating a foreign country by means only the president could to gain any type of leverage in an election is not only undermining democracy, it's ****ed up.
He didn't hold up the money because Ukraine, he held it up because He was waiting on information from OBD about Ukraine.

You are assuming it was because he was waiting for some quid pro quo, but we all know that isn't the truth, given what Zelisnky himself, said. So stop with pretending that Trump held it for personal reasons. It didn't happen, stop watching CNN.



ed:
Digging up dirt..? Do you mean looking into Joe & Hunter Biden's criminal activities. The dirt the Biden's created themselves..? Don't you want to know what happened..? Or you giving Joe a pass, because you like him?
 

m3tavision

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FYI under the law any agent or person working at the president's behest makes Trump liable. This is why the Welles Fargo CEO was held liable for the fees he was charging customers without their knowledge. While he didn't directly sit there are take the money out of people's accounts, he did set the policy fourth and/or allowed it to continue under his leadership. Then again that's what most people expect from a leader, basic accountability.

Do you really think that Trump was working on the DoD contract..?
 

Cubi Dorf

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America is so crazy. you can sue the government because they don’t buy your product?!?... does that actually succeed?
 

gusticles41

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He didn't hold up the money because Ukraine, he held it up because He was waiting on information from OBD about Ukraine.

You are assuming it was because he was waiting for some quid pro quo, but we all know that isn't the truth, given what Zelisnky himself, said. So stop with pretending that Trump held it for personal reasons. It didn't happen, stop watching CNN.



ed:
Digging up dirt..? Do you mean looking into Joe & Hunter Biden's criminal activities. The dirt the Biden's created themselves..? Don't you want to know what happened..? Or you giving Joe a pass, because you like him?
Dirt=Criminal activities, very good! I want to know what happened through the processes this country has set in place to combat corruption and illegal activities. What I don't want is a president who takes it upon himself to go above these laws and processes to figure it out. That. Is. Corruption.

Do I like Joe? Absolutely not. I'm far less Blue than you think I am, I just have a hard on for doing the right thing in politics.

Since you're a stickler for finding out the truth, what are your thoughts on the Impeachment inquiry?
 
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captaincranky

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You are assuming it was because he was waiting for some quid pro quo, but we all know that isn't the truth, given what Zelisnky himself, said. So stop with pretending that Trump held it for personal reasons. It didn't happen, stop watching CNN....[ ]....
The Ukraine's NEW president, said exactly what was neceddary, to insure he wouldn't run into another road block to getting military aid during the next fiscal year. In other words, should Trump be reelected, failing to stroke his massive ego and obey his wishes, would place his country at the mercy of Putin and Russia.

Russia has already annexed Crimea, which is ostensibly Ukraine's territory. The prior president, ousted for corruption, hightailed it back to Russia, which probably had a big hand getting him elected in the first place

So, Zelensky wil say whatever words Trump puts in his mouth, to quite bluntly, avoid biting the hand that's somewhat likely to be feeding him..

You can repeat, and you can recite flawlessly, but rather tragically, you lack the ability to reason.

Trump left the Kurds to the mercy of Turkey, (which BTW was formerly known as "the Ottoman Empire"), and Zelensky's primary goal in his statements had to be trying ro avoid Trump throwing him under the bus as well..

I'm fairly conservative, and I certainly am not on board with all the liberal crap coming out of the Democratic presidential candidate's mouths. That doesn't make Trump any less of a duplicitous piece of crap. So yes, both of the prior statements can be true, no matter what you've heard out of the drug addicted windbag Limbaugh's mouth.

If the Republicans can come up with a reasonable saubstitute for Trump, I'd seriously consider voting for he ot she.

Michael Bloomberg's ads say all you need to know about Trumps "business triumphs". The failed university, the failed airline, the failed casinos, and the fact he's a perennial tax dodger. And lest we forget, an egomaniac, a sociopath, and a pathological liar.

The jobs which Trump has supposedly "created", are junk jobs with low wages.

As for a boom in "construction jobs", most of those are engaged in putting up new warehouses for Amazon.

What happened to all the "infrastructure" jobs Trump was going to create?

Oh wait, I know, they're all down on the Mexican border building this a**holes wall.
 

Evernessince

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Cut & paste..?

Congress doesn't have jurisdiction over the executive branch. And Executive Branch's sovereignty is spelled out by the Constitution.. and that process is what we called later, as "Executive Privilege".

The Supreme Court upholds this, because they CAN vote/judge/make/compel testimony. You are tryharding now, & using mass cut & paste FUD, to make it sound like you know something. Where did you learn such garbage. These Laws are not new...



1. Sam Berger is a fluff writer. And he loosely bases his theory using THIS: "It shows that the Trump White House created an irregular budgetary process to match its irregular foreign policy process with respect to Ukraine. " as a basis for his opinion..! Which is laughable and any first year law student can easily rebuttal.

2. Joe Biden incriminated himself. He said on national TV he forced them to fire the investigator. That alone is more evidence than you have then with trump. So why no equal application under the law..?

3. Trump didn't side-step anything. Why didn't Comey investigate Biden, back in Jan 2016 when Biden made those remarks.? Rush Limbaugh has been talking about Hunter Biden for over 2 years and said that Joe Biden would be an utter fool to join the Presidential race, because all of this will come out. Everybody was wondering why it wasn't being looked into by Obama's Ambassadors, etc. They swept it all under the rug... now it is coming out.

Trump makes Foreign policies, nobody else. And what is wrong with talking to Ukrianian officials..? s You make it sound as if People can't do that. Ever wonder why the news media paints it like what Trump was doing was bad..? It is only bad for 2 people, the Biden's. The rest of American voters want to know the truth.
"Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] "


Facts, you can't beat em.

1. When you can't debate the facts, attack the author. "Sam Berger (@SamBerger_DC) is the senior adviser at the Center for American Progress. From 2015 to 2017, Berger served as a senior policy adviser at the White House Domestic Policy Council. From 2010 to 2015, Berger worked at the Office of Management and Budget in various roles, including senior counselor and policy adviser. Berger is a graduate of Swarthmore College and received his J.D. from Yale Law School." Given that he specifically worked in the roles he is commenting on, I'd say he's specifically more qualified then you. Now perhaps you can get on with actually debating on the points instead of attacking credentials.

2."They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Read it yourself: The full declassified text of the Trump whistleblower complaint

Critics of Hunter Biden have questioned how he landed such a lucrative role with no experience in Ukraine or the gas industry.

But it's not unusual for Ukrainian companies to bring on high-profile people from the West in an effort to burnish their image and gain influence, Pifer said."


3. "Interviews with current and former officials show how the Trump administration's hold-up of aid to Ukraine was irregular and likely violated U.S. law, and has far-reaching consequences at home and overseas. "


There has been multiple witnesses testify before congress already they have explicitly stated that trump did not in fact follow regular procedure.

Trump makes Foreign policies, nobody else. And what is wrong with talking to Ukrianian officials..? s You make it sound as if People can't do that. Ever wonder why the news media paints it like what Trump was doing was bad..? It is only bad for 2 people, the Biden's. The rest of American voters want to know the truth.
Nothing at all wrong with talking to ukraine. It's only a problem when official channels to do so are not used.
 

m3tavision

TS Evangelist
Dirt=Criminal activities, very good! I want to know what happened through the processes this country has set in place to combat corruption and illegal activities. What I don't want is a president who takes it upon himself to go above these laws and processes to figure it out. That. Is. Corruption.

Do I like Joe? Absolutely not. I'm far less Blue than you think I am, I just have a hard on for doing the right thing in politics.

Since you're a stickler for finding out the truth, what are your thoughts on the Impeachment inquiry?

Q: If Joe Biden was NOT running for President, would it of been OK for the President of the United States, to mention him to the Ukrainian President..?

See..?
 
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"Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] "


Facts, you can't beat em.

1. When you can't debate the facts, attack the author. "Sam Berger (@SamBerger_DC) is the senior adviser at the Center for American Progress. From 2015 to 2017, Berger served as a senior policy adviser at the White House Domestic Policy Council. From 2010 to 2015, Berger worked at the Office of Management and Budget in various roles, including senior counselor and policy adviser. Berger is a graduate of Swarthmore College and received his J.D. from Yale Law School." Given that he specifically worked in the roles he is commenting on, I'd say he's specifically more qualified then you. Now perhaps you can get on with actually debating on the points instead of attacking credentials.

2."They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

Read it yourself: The full declassified text of the Trump whistleblower complaint

Critics of Hunter Biden have questioned how he landed such a lucrative role with no experience in Ukraine or the gas industry.

But it's not unusual for Ukrainian companies to bring on high-profile people from the West in an effort to burnish their image and gain influence, Pifer said."


3. "Interviews with current and former officials show how the Trump administration's hold-up of aid to Ukraine was irregular and likely violated U.S. law, and has far-reaching consequences at home and overseas. "


There has been multiple witnesses testify before congress already they have explicitly stated that trump did not in fact follow regular procedure.



Nothing at all wrong with talking to ukraine. It's only a problem when official channels to do so are not used.
I applaud your valiant effort, but it's likely all for naught.

The problem with Trump, and his supports, is that data and facts are irrelevant. If they dislike what they show, supporters simply plug their ears and spew ad hominem attacks at random.

In order to have meaningful discussion or progress, both sides have to be willing to be wrong and look at the data honestly. Now, when the GOP is wrong about something, it just has Hannity et al at Fox News run some damage control conspiracy theory distraction to avoid scrutiny.

Politics has become a religion and Trump is their pope.
 
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gusticles41

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Q: If Joe Biden was NOT running for President, would it of been OK for the President of the United States, to mention him to the Ukrainian President..?

See..?
"Mention" is not nearly an aggressive enough verb. "Leverage Ukrainian President by delaying aid to investigate a member of the opposing political party" is more fitting. And no, it's not okay for the president to take it upon himself by going outside of his own country's legal system. You're trying to downplay what Trump's endgame actually was. He wasn't casually mentioning Biden in passing.

I don't understand what you're getting at.
 
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m3tavision

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The Ukraine's NEW president, said exactly what was neceddary, to insure he wouldn't run into another road block to getting military aid during the next fiscal year. In other words, should Trump be reelected, failing to stroke his massive ego and obey his wishes, would place his country at the mercy of Putin and Russia.

Russia has already annexed Crimea, which is ostensibly Ukraine's territory. The prior president, ousted for corruption, hightailed it back to Russia, which probably had a big hand getting him elected in the first place

So, Zelensky wil say whatever words Trump puts in his mouth, to quite bluntly, avoid biting the hand that's somewhat likely to be feeding him..

You can repeat, and you can recite flawlessly, but rather tragically, you lack the ability to reason.

Trump left the Kurds to the mercy of Turkey, (which BTW was formerly known as "the Ottoman Empire"), and Zelensky's primary goal in his statements had to be trying ro avoid Trump throwing him under the bus as well..

I'm fairly conservative, and I certainly am not on board with all the liberal crap coming out of the Democratic presidential candidate's mouths. That doesn't make Trump any less of a duplicitous piece of crap. So yes, both of the prior statements can be true, no matter what you've heard out of the drug addicted windbag Limbaugh's mouth.

If the Republicans can come up with a reasonable saubstitute for Trump, I'd seriously consider voting for he ot she.

Michael Bloomberg's ads say all you need to know about Trumps "business triumphs". The failed university, the failed airline, the failed casinos, and the fact he's a perennial tax dodger. And lest we forget, an egomaniac, a sociopath, and a pathological liar.

The jobs which Trump has supposedly "created", are junk jobs with low wages.

As for a boom in "construction jobs", most of those are engaged in putting up new warehouses for Amazon.

What happened to all the "infrastructure" jobs Trump was going to create?

Oh wait, I know, they're all down on the Mexican border building this a**holes wall.

So you explain away everything, by creating a huge conspiracy in your head..? (That's your fragile ego, creating a bubble around you).

Matter of fact, Trump didn't even know about Zelensky until he won the Election. He was briefed about it and had found out that he was a Comedian at one time, and not a man of Politics.... & ran on anti-corruption.

So your theory doesn't pan out and it is you just babbling. Hilarious that Zelensky & Trump are liars & you know the truth... right?


All those Jobs are being withheld by Nancy Pelosi & the Democrats... on purpose!
Dems don't want to talk about the new infrastructure (Highways & bridges, etc) bills, or come to the table/pass the MCA right now... because doing BOTH would make Trump look to good and pretty much give him the re-election.

Ask Nancy Pelosi where all those jobs are, not Trump!
 
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m3tavision

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"Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] "


Facts, you can't beat em.

1. When you can't debate the facts, attack the author. "Sam Berger (@SamBerger_DC) is the senior adviser at the Center for American Progress. From 2015 to 2017, Berger served as a senior policy adviser at the White House Domestic Policy Council. From 2010 to 2015, Berger worked at the Office of Management and Budget in various roles, including senior counselor and policy adviser. Berger is a graduate of Swarthmore College and received his J.D. from Yale Law School." Given that he specifically worked in the roles he is commenting on, I'd say he's specifically more qualified then you. Now perhaps you can get on with actually debating on the points instead of attacking credentials.

2."They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.
1. https://www.americanprogress.org/about/mission/
They are nothing but a progressive think tank. Not governmental related, has nothing to do with anything. Just their Political ideology. Wtf..?


2. The President didn't make up a story about Hunter Biden, that story has been out there and reported on for over 3 years. Joe Biden himself, tells us what he did in Jan 2016. We are still waiting for answers and it is not wrong to ask the question.

Does not matter if Joe Biden is running For President, what he did still needs to be looked into. Hunter Biden rode on Air Force 2 to Ukraine with his father and came home with an $83k/month job. If he did nothing wrong, then why is all of this a story..?


3. You do realize that being irregular, doesn't mean wrong.

And that the President of the United States does not have to go threw an Ambassador, or through regular channels. Doing so, isn't illegal, or wrong. Just irregular. And so what..? The life-long beauracrats are just mad that Trump circumventing them, & their Obama liberal foreign policies...

Also, did you notice how they say "likely violated". Because He didn't. You'll find that the fired Ambassador was going behind the President back and making her own Foreign policies.<- That is illegal.

FWIW: "Regular Procedure" is what they are use to... Trump doesn't do thigs their way, but his. There is nothing illegal about irregular. He is draining the swamp of all the "regular" people... and these Obama left-over are dropping like flies as they are outed in one conspiracy after another to remove him. Adam Schiff is next to loose his job, he spun too many lies, against our own President. Pure Sedition.
 
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m3tavision

TS Evangelist
I applaud your valiant effort, but it's likely all for naught.

The problem with Trump, and his supports, is that data and facts are irrelevant. If they dislike what they show, supporters simply plug their ears and spew ad hominem attacks at random.

In order to have meaningful discussion or progress, both sides have to be willing to be wrong and look at the data honestly. Now, when the GOP is wrong about something, it just has Hannity et al at Fox News run some damage control conspiracy theory distraction to avoid scrutiny.

Politics has become a religion and Trump is their pope.
Are you on a side?
Understand, nobody likes Trump, but his Policies are spot-on for America. So the only side you have to be on, is for America. You don't have to like trump, but why all the hatred..? Because He beat Hillary, or because He mocks her..?

Being the President of the United States is not a popularity contest, or winning a pageant. It is 99% about their Policies. All of President's Trump's policies have been great for America. What is there to complain about, that he has signed his name to?



I didn't vote for Trump and I do not like Trump.

But I do love the fact, that he doesn't take sh!t from the life-long swamp-things, that have been in politics their whole lives and have done nothing for this Country. Most of them have no credibility and their own constituents are starting to see what en epic fail they are. Impeachment is only to channel their hatred, otherwise the democratic party would fold.

Many of these People have been in Politics for over 45 years... and have been on self-serving Committee's their whole life. Enriching themselves.

Amazing how a many Senators, Representatives, Governors, & Congressman can put their KIDS through Harvard, Yale, etc.... but another household making the exact same Governor pay... can not! Or, even manage to get their kids in?

That^ is the ELITE class.


What many now call "Hollywood DC". The life-long bureaucrats sucking off the American People(Schiff/Pelosi/Schumer/Nadler/Watters/), in which Donald Trump was hired (by 67 million Citizens) to take our Country back from. Not monetarily, but in ideology and direction and scope.

California is trying to hijack our Country. No more of that crazy crap...!
 
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captaincranky

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All those Jobs are being withheld by Nancy Pelosi & the Democrats... on purpose!
Dems don't want to talk about the new infrastructure (Highways & bridges, etc) bills, or come to the table/pass the MCA right now... because doing BOTH would make Trump look to good and pretty much give him the re-election.

Ask Nancy Pelosi where all those jobs are, not Trump!
Oh, it's Pelosi's fault?

You've conveniently forgotten that Trump had full control of both houses of congress for the first two years of his term.

Pelosi wasn't even a factor during that time, but still no infrastructure.

Trump was busy whimpering for his wall.

In fact, all of the blabbering he was doing about infrastructure was nothing but regurgitated FDR "new deal" rhetoric. Who was incidentally, a Democrat.
 

m3tavision

TS Evangelist
Oh, it's Pelosi's fault?
You've conveniently forgotten that Trump had full control of both houses of congress for the first two years of his term.
Pelosi wasn't even a factor during that time, but still no infrastructure.

Trump was busy whimpering for his wall.
In fact, all of the blabbering he was doing about infrastructure was nothing but regurgitated FDR "new deal" rhetoric. Who was incidentally, a Democrat.
Captian, you obviously don't live in the United States are just getting "loll's" threadcrapping. Or not knowledgeable or just ill informed. Read my last post and just wondering if your "talking points" are to the benefit of someone other than you. Who is telling you these lies?

First:
Trump sat at the table with his Infrastructure plan, as Nancy Pelosi called him a Russian puppet and he got up and walked out, before the meeting ever started. Coincidentally, the Dems never released that plan to the public. And it was suggested, that Nancy did that, because they didn't have a plan and really wasn't ready to discuss the Infrastructure Plan with him.

She has since refused to meet with the President about the Infrastructure. Trump repeatedly calls Nancy out for that and talk about how she keeps refusing to meet with him on Infrastructure. Rumor is Nanci doesn't want too work a deal with Trump, because she wants to wait until he was ousted out of office, or lost election.

She is playing politics, but is forgetting about Americans. She lust for power... he is giving it back to the Citizens.

Secondly,
Trump has been finished negotiating the MCA trade agreement for 6 months now... and it's been waiting on Nancy Pelosi's desk for that entire time. Trump makes that point, at every one of his rally's… watch him tonight, he'll mention it again.

Nancy won't sign MCA... because (again) She knows it will make Trump's economy boom and make him look good for re-election.

Third,
What tax paying US Citizen, doesn't want a border wall...?
 
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Markoni35

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The United States is in massive debt (1.5 Trillion added by Trump's tax cut per year) and the cost of living is outpacing increases in wages......The united states was the only first world country where average life span decreased.
The massive debt is related to the banking mafia that is strongest in the U.S. The entire world crisis started with Goldman Sachs and a few of their friendly banks. To reduce debt one should nationalize Goldman Sachs and pour all of their assets back into the govt budget, do the same with a few other criminal U.S. banks, and send the current owners to prison. After that FED should be dismantled, since it's a private cartel that robs the United States. But which president would do that? The last one who tried dismantling FED was J.F. Kennedy. And look what happened to him.

Regarding the life span, that's the result of "modern medicine". It's been poisoning the patients for the last few decades, but now it's worse than ever. United States happens to be the first in the row to receive the "most modern" treatments, for which pharmaceutical corporations should be closed and their CEOs and major shareholders imprisoned. Nowadays doctors are just drug resellers, or should I say "drug dealers". They don't cure, they just prescribe chemicals. Which wouldn't be that bad if those chemicals were doing their job. But they are just overpriced poisons.

Second factor is the food industry, which is in bed with the pharmaceuticals. They produce crappy food, such as GMO soy, corn and other crap, known to cause cancer, so that big pharma can sell the "cures" which don't really cure, but cost more than gold. The food producers can allow themselves low profit margin, if their major stockholders are pharmaceuticals. Because they aren't in the food production for the money, but to make consumers sick.

This is why in the U.S. there's no mandatory labeling of GMO, even though 75% of the population wants it. In a true democracy 75% should be enough, but clearly not in the United States. For the same reason sugar-rich products aren't extra taxed, even though sugary drinks and sweet food kill more people than cigarettes and alcohol combined. Applying the measures above over several decades has led to decreased life span. That trend will continue, and will spread to other countries, as the food industry and big pharma are becoming more and more integrated.
 
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captaincranky

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Captian, you obviously don't live in the United States are just getting "loll's" threadcrapping.
So, I suppose the 2 plus pages of "hooray for Trump" propaganda you've put up doesn't constitute "thread crapping?

Nancy won't sign MCA... because (again) She knows it will make Trump's economy boom and make him look good for re-election.
The MCA was signed today, try and keep up

Third,
What tax paying US Citizen, doesn't want a border wall...?
Since Trump is only in office by virtue of the electoral college, (need I remind you he lost the popular vote, and very few came to his inauguration), that more than half of American taxpayers don't want a border wall. Or at the very least, it isn't a big priority.
 

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