AMD 7nm Epyc Rome specs and prices leak: $5,000 for 64 cores

mongeese

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Let’s cut to the chase: AMD has submitted their designs to the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) and the public listing give away the model names, core counts and TDPs of the entire Epyc Rome lineup, the server equivalent to the recently announced 7nm Zen 2 Ryzen. A Belgian hardware retailer by the name of 2Compute listed the chips shortly after, informing us of the prices, cache and boost clock speeds, but view the prices with an analytical eye. Until AMD confirms them, nothing is guaranteed.

AMD is bringing 64, 48, 32, 24, 16, 12 and 8 core variants to the market this time, most of which are available in three configuration options. A fancy-pants dual-socket compatible version, a single-socket version with identical specs (bar one or two exceptions) and a ‘budget’ variant that cuts back a little while increasing power efficiency.

Prices range from $7,800 to $510, though the best looking one is the $5,000 ‘budget’ 64-core monster. On the Intel Xeon Platinum side, five grand only nets you 28 cores, though ever-so-slightly faster ones at 3.8 GHz instead of 3.35 GHz.

AMD Epyc Rome

Model Cores/
Threads
Boost (GHz) TDP (Watts) Total Cache (MB) Dual Socket Price Single Socket Price Budget Variant Price
Epyc 7742 64/128 3.40 225 256 $7,800 $7,200 $5,000
Epyc 7642 48/96 3.40 225 192 $5,400 - $4,500
Epyc 7502 32/64 3.35 180 128 $2,900 $2,600 $2,300
Epyc 7402 24/48 3.35 180 128 $2,000 $1,400 $1,500
Epyc 7302 16/32 3.30 155 128 $1,100 $930 $730
Epyc 7272 12/24 3.20 120 64 $700 - -
Epyc 7262 8/16 3.40 155 64 $650 $510 $540

A particularly appealing deal is the $1,500 24-core chip, which is just $300 more than the equivalent Threadripper. While it is slower at only 3.35 GHz, there are plenty of extra features to be had on the Epyc platform, including PCIe 4.0 and 128 PCIe lanes. Recently leaked presentation slides for the new processors also say Rome will support 3200 MHz RAM in eight channels, for up to 4 TB of RAM per socket. Intel is presently limited to 2 TB across six channels, and only up to speeds of 2666 MHz. It’s also worth noting that Intel processors have significantly higher TDPs at the high-end, much higher prices at the low-end, and far less cache the whole way through.

While Intel’s Xeon Platinum are all multi-socket compatible (exceeding eight in theory, up to four in practice) it’s difficult to believe that the cost savings on motherboards and other parts would account for the cost differences between parts. Roughly matching core count, AMD’s 32-core processor is 29% cheaper than Intel’s 28-core, their 24-core part is 57% cheaper, and their 16-core part is 69% cheaper.

Intel Xeon Platinum

Model Cores/
Threads
Boost/Base (GHz) TDP (Watts) Total Cache (MB) Flagship Variant Price Cheapest Variant Price*
Xeon 9282 56/112 3.80/2.60 400 77.0 - -
Xeon 9242 48/96 3.80/2.30 350 71.5 - -
Xeon 8167 28/56 3.80/2.50 205 38.5 $11,000 $4,600
Xeon 8164 26/42 3.70/2.00 150 35.8 $7,500 $5,000
Xeon 8160 24/48 3.70/2.10 150 33.0 $4,800 $4,700
Xeon 8153 16/32 3.00/2.20 125 22.0 $3,000 -
Xeon 8158 12/24 3.70/3.00 150 24.8 - -

However, there remains the question, are great specs and prices enough to topple Intel? Rome’s prices and specs are better than current-gen Epyc of course, but not drastically so. Hop over to Newegg right now, you can buy current-gen’s cheapest 32-core for the same $2,300 the new one shall cost. AMD has had a tough time toppling Intel off their perch, and even this new push might now be enough to gain significant market share.

At AMD’s quarterly earnings results conference in May, CEO Lisa Su shared that they would begin shipping Epyc processors in Q2 for launch in Q3, which is right around the corner. We can expect confirmation on the details soon, though expect prices to fluctuate, as server hardware is sold at different prices in different quantities and changes with the market very rapidly.

Last but not least, you can expect a prosumer derivative of the same processors in Threadripper form, likely sometime before the end of the year.

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amstech

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Think Intel has a 92% stranglehold on the server CPU spectrum, or something along those lines. It was posted on here somewhere recently. Anyone have clarification on that?
Anyways it will take continuously good showings by AMD to pick up more buyers/consumers/investors, and their latest architecture might just do it.
 

cliffordcooley

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"A fancy-pants dual-socket compatible version, a single-socket version with identical specs (bar one or two exceptions) and a ‘budget’ variant that cuts back a little while increasing power efficiency."

So basically server, desktop, and mobile.
 

Shadowboxer

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Think Intel has a 92% stranglehold on the server CPU spectrum, or something along those lines. It was posted on here somewhere recently. Anyone have clarification on that?
Anyways it will take continuously good showings by AMD to pick up more buyers/consumers/investors, and their latest architecture might just do it.
It will take a few years I think. Many projects to implement a data center solution etc can often run into years. Intel have built up a reputation over the years and many companies are happy with the hardware and after sales support they can provide and they won’t risk that for a short term cash saving. Enterprise confidence in AMD is practically non existent at this point and AMD have a lot of work to do to restore that. I deal with the comms side of this, often as part of a project to deliver a solution. And most businesses either laugh at you when you mention AMD or tell you they didn’t even know AMD was making decent hardware again. AMD are touting the performance here but really I would say they need to be providing more support and provisioning assistance if they really want to make headway at the moment.

Also rather ironically, the benchmarks AMD published had a gimped compiler for Intel’s parts on the test - hence why Intel called them out.
 
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Skjorn

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Think Intel has a 92% stranglehold on the server CPU spectrum, or something along those lines. It was posted on here somewhere recently. Anyone have clarification on that?
Anyways it will take continuously good showings by AMD to pick up more buyers/consumers/investors, and their latest architecture might just do it.
AMD are touting the performance here but really I would say they need to be providing more support and provisioning assistance if they really want to make headway because at the moment.
Was there supposed to be more written after "because at the moment"? I felt I was about to read more then it stopped.
 

QuantumPhysics

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These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
 
These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
Well, the high end ones are more often used for servers, especially compute clusters, and VM Server nodes. One of these can host hundreds of servers when paired, so it's well worth the money. They also can handle an insane amount of computer power on a single board.

The middle end ones are sometimes used for ultra-high-end workstations, but the Threadripper is far more cost effective for any machine that doesn't have to handle a 24/7 workload non-stop for several years.

Honestly, the money that would be spent on anything above the Epyc 7502 on a workstation would be better spent on two top of the line GPU cards (one for display one for secondary compute.)
 
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Bp968

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These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
These are servers. Not many use cases exist anymore for xeon or epyc class CPUs in a workstation system. Very few applications need more than the 128gb of ram ryzen supports. I guess there are some use cases for more pcie slots, if you use 2 GPUs at 8x, nvme SSD and a 10gbe card I think that would use up all your pcie slots. But if you need more compute its usually better to build a render server for everyone to use, and if you need more fast storage your often better off with a SAN or NAS everyone can connect to with 10gbe or 40gbe links.

I just feel like there are really very narrow and limited use cases for server class workstation builds anymore. The new macpro being an excellent example of an overpriced product designed to fill its self created niche. Someone will come along and tell me why they need one but its still a tiny niche.

"Hey Tim, lets build a mac with the most expensive of each available part" Tim: "Cool.."
 
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captaincranky

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Article says:

"Prices range from $7,800 to $510, though the best looking one is the $5,000 ‘budget’ 64-core monster. On the Intel Xeon Platinum side, five grand only nets you 28 cores, though ever-so-slightly faster ones at 3.8 GHz instead of 3.35 GHz".


@mongeese On a side note, any of the self proclaimed "overclocking whiz kidz" here, would be bragging unabashedly, unashamedly, and unrepentantly, if they managed to squeeze a half gig of clock speed out of stock core CPU.
 

captaincranky

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After watching the AMD vs Intel battle to 1Ghz now nearly 20 years ago (and being a proud owner of one of those Slot A AMD Athlons), it is really exciting to see AMD being back in the game in every possible way now!
Yes, but all that testosterone you're generating because of it, could cause prostate cancer later in life, or at the very least, force you to shave more often now....:eek: :laughing:
 

mongeese

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Article says:

"Prices range from $7,800 to $510, though the best looking one is the $5,000 ‘budget’ 64-core monster. On the Intel Xeon Platinum side, five grand only nets you 28 cores, though ever-so-slightly faster ones at 3.8 GHz instead of 3.35 GHz".


@mongeese On a side note, any of the self proclaimed "overclocking whiz kidz" here, would be bragging unabashedly, unashamedly, and unrepentantly, if they managed to squeeze a half gig of clock speed out of stock core CPU.
Oh absolutely, I'd be pretty ecstatic too. But in the server world, squeezing out half a GHz for an extra 200W (56 core Intel vs 64 core AMD) isn't a good deal.
 

akamateau

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These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
Well, the high end ones are more often used for servers, especially compute clusters, and VM Server nodes. One of these can host hundreds of servers when paired, so it's well worth the money. They also can handle an insane amount of computer power on a single board.

The middle end ones are sometimes used for ultra-high-end workstations, but the Threadripper is far more cost effective for any machine that doesn't have to handle a 24/7 workload non-stop for several years.

Honestly, the money that would be spent on anything above the Epyc 7502 on a workstation would be better spent on two top of the line GPU cards (one for display one for secondary compute.)
EPYC would not necessarily be used for a workstation, you could but why? Ryzen 3000 has several HEDT products; Ryzen 12c24/T or 16c/32T would be sufficient and of course Threadripper 3 is going to end that debate anyway. EPYC is for servers, server farms and super-computers.

For instance Amazon AWS Cloud servers use EPYC as does Microsoft Azure.
 

Puiu

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What are the all core boost clocks and base clocks of Rome? Most servers won't really see benefits from boost clocks of a single or 2 cores.

Considering the lower IPC because of the Mesh Interconnect Architecture of Intel's server CPUs we could see some interesting results if AMD is close in clock speeds and also has more cores.
 
These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
What kind of development are you doing?

You're not paying hundreds of thousands per year in salaries for your people to sit around twiddling their thumbs, right?
 

wiyosaya

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I guess there are some use cases for more pcie slots, if you use 2 GPUs at 8x, nvme SSD and a 10gbe card I think that would use up all your pcie slots.
With Intel, yes. With Epyc you have 128 pci-e lanes, per processor, to work with. For HPC, that means that you can have 4, 16-lane slots for GPUs and still have far more than enough pci-e lanes left over for other use. Even with 6, 16-lane slots, you would still have enough 32 pci-e lanes left over for other uses.

These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
Your point is?
 

captaincranky

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These are workstation computers for the wealthiest of development companies.

A $10,000 or even $20,000 computer is nothing to their budgets.

For my staff I draw the line at $1000 laptops and $2000 desktops LOL
...[ ]...Your point is?
With a head full of technical knowledge such as you have, you still can't recognize something as patently obvious as humble bragging?

Keyword, "my staff", key concept, "I set the limits".
 

Markoni35

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I was always wondering how much those CPUs cost. Damn... really "nice" price. AWS services don't even look expensive, considering how much they pay for those CPUs. And that's just the CPU, not counting RAM, SSD or custom-made EBS data connections.
 
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