AMD admits it doesn't have an RTX 4090 competitor

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Warrior247

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I, personally, don't know anyone who has $1600 US to fritter away on a graphics card. For 99.999% of people $1600 is all they have to build a PC from scratch once in every ten years or so. These utterly excessive graphics cards are not money well spent. I'm very happy with my Nvidia RTX 3060Ti and it is going to have to suffice for quite a while. 🤔☺️😏
Well, I saved my pennies. Had the money, was ready to buy it. The card was sold out immediately and I didn’t get one. People were standing in line to get one. They were being scalped for $2,500-$3,000 on eBay! People paid that price. Everybody is not broke and poor. Some people save and invest their money. Not only does the card virtually double the performance of the last gen card, if you keep it for a number of years the “investment” isn’t bad at all.
 

godrilla

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I, personally, don't know anyone who has $1600 US to fritter away on a graphics card. For 99.999% of people $1600 is all they have to build a PC from scratch once in every ten years or so. These utterly excessive graphics cards are not money well spent. I'm very happy with my Nvidia RTX 3060Ti and it is going to have to suffice for quite a while. 🤔☺️😏
I mean 99.99% will not buy a 8k monitors but didn't stop AMD from marketing the 7000 series and 8k gaming 😉.
 

opckieran

Posts: 70   +154
Well, I saved my pennies. Had the money, was ready to buy it. The card was sold out immediately and I didn’t get one. People were standing in line to get one. They were being scalped for $2,500-$3,000 on eBay! People paid that price. Everybody is not broke and poor. Some people save and invest their money. Not only does the card virtually double the performance of the last gen card, if you keep it for a number of years the “investment” isn’t bad at all.


I’m gonna assume that’s hyperbole, but, anyone seriously talking about “saving pennies” for a 4090 needs to reevaluate their priorities…
 

m3tavision

Posts: 1,109   +940
Sadly, the RTX4090 will not be able to compete with the AIB RX 7900 XTX.

If you didn't pick up on it, Dr Lisa Su never acts smug and during HER presentation she said something in a way that caught my ear when She said "What >WE< are releasing today..."

AMD release their STOCK CARDS @ 2.4Ghz, while AIB cards will flirt with 3Ghz..




So let that^ sink in for a moment.
 
Yeah, on paper it is.

BUT only if you're a fat cat millionaire (the tax code was written specifically for them it seems!).
Otherwise, good luck making ends meet (even while working 2 jobs) and trying to pay exorbitant medical bills if you dare to get sick and have to go to a hospital!!

Or even if you lose your job and suddenly you have no healthcare coverage and are at the mercy of health insurance company bureaucrats!!

Otherwise, it's not bad.


I think a lot of people outside the USA think the same way as you. I'm from a third world country moved to USA at 14 went to college, got a career, married someone with a career and now I'm living like a king. USA has been good to me. I think like the other guy said, people like to complain and not do anything to improve their lives. Cheers.
 

yannus

Posts: 160   +145
AMD is smart, they don't need a 4090 competitor. The card is ludicrous and pointless for 99.999999% of users. AMD's pricing makes a mockery of Nividia's 4080 and Huang's will be having sleepless nights.RDNA3 is far cheaper to manufacture than Lovelace, so AMD is still able to get good margins at $899 and $999. $899 is what Ngreedia will ask for the 4070 Ti with it's whopping 192 bit bus.
STILL be able to get good margins ? well at around 1000 $ both ngreedia and amd must have impressive margins. Even though I try to attack ngreedia every time I can because they just want to take every penny we have, I have to say that it's the whole market that has gone crazy ( Because at the end corporations are just a small family). More than 500 USD for even high end gaming cards is IMO much too much.
 

toooooot

Posts: 1,827   +983
I would even take it a step further and say that even the 4080 and the 7900 XTX are also unnecessary for non-professional use: I'm fine with keeping them but consumers shouldn't consider them unless they want to do something like develop games or leverage them for compute task part time (As time savings are worth the diminishing returns of price vs performance)

But for most people? You can max out a reasonable high refresh rate (1080p at 200hz or 1440p at 144hz) with the 4070 and 7800 class cards in the near future. Specially with all the new features like DLSS 2 and 3 and FSR 2 and 3

Yes you can squeeze out more performance but you shouldn't have to increase the power limits: the true gains should be that now you can get 3090/6900 levels of performance with the 4070/7800 class of cards for less power and a better launch price. Anything else is almost always forced through with unreasonable power and cooling requirements which push the entire stack forward and the price premium becomes apparent not only on those power and cooling requirements but every single other component around the PC that would be needed to take advantage of the super high end GPU: super high end CPUs and cooling for those, super high end motherboards, super fast ram all become necessary so now we're talking 100% or worst price increases for maybe 30 to 40% performance at the best of cases and basically undiscernible levels of fidelity and refresh rates: adjust settings down a bit to get most of the way there without paying literally double once you put together the full system.

It's really an unsustainable market and these companies rarely admit the market is maintained by midrange offerings instead, otherwise they'd be out of business.
I kind of agree but...
Look, 4000 series is here, almost. I dont want to get a 2 yo card when I can get a new one which will last me a very long time in all things 4k including 144hz.
2 year is too old for this kind of tech. I dont have a problem getting a 2 yo CPU, but a video card of this period of time is too old.
 
I kind of agree but...
Look, 4000 series is here, almost. I dont want to get a 2 yo card when I can get a new one which will last me a very long time in all things 4k including 144hz.
2 year is too old for this kind of tech. I dont have a problem getting a 2 yo CPU, but a video card of this period of time is too old.

Agree, Also Nvidia and AMD are always coming out with "new software" that is not compatible with the 2 yr old cards (DLSS 3). Always buy the latest generation.
 

AlaskaGuy

Posts: 744   +612
Sadly, the RTX4090 will not be able to compete with the AIB RX 7900 XTX.

If you didn't pick up on it, Dr Lisa Su never acts smug and during HER presentation she said something in a way that caught my ear when She said "What >WE< are releasing today..."

AMD release their STOCK CARDS @ 2.4Ghz, while AIB cards will flirt with 3Ghz..




So let that^ sink in for a moment.
4090 Ti ?
 

godrilla

Posts: 624   +339
It's a game...

AMD announce THEIR stock $999 RX 7900 series... & waits for nVidia to release their 4080 16gb cards at $1,299. AMD then lets AIB announce their unlocked Navi-31 cards...

AMD wins..
For some reason I feel like the $1299 4080 is a tactic to make the 4090 seem like a good deal. Especially if the performance is almost double for $300 higher premium and at the same time make the ampere cards more appealing.
Ampere is another $300 or so lower price premium. From what it seems like similar performance to the 3090ti ( Vs. 4080). Imo from the numbers Nvidia gave us in terms of performance of the 4080 16 gig version is the worse value of all the 2022 flagships. If 7900xtx exotics flavors from aibs can compete in rt with the 4080 at a similar price of $1299 then Nvidia will have no choice but to lower price because the only advantage they have is the rt performance at a rasterization disadvantage for the 4080. Another choice they have is to have cut down versions of ad102 like a 4080ti to fill in that gap.
 
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takaozo

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At my company we are so short staffed that I could start you tomorrow with a 100K/yr job, no skills required and all you have to do is pass a drug test and show up for work.
Wow that sound really bad. We have workforce issues here but not like that. I was the first one hired in my team and took HR 3 years to find another 5 guys.
I'm working remote since then and don't want to go back to an office. After all in Networking you don't do any local work. For me a remote job for US and living here would be the shlt. That would let me take care of kids in the morning and work in the afternoon-evening.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 421   +208
I would even take it a step further and say that even the 4080 and the 7900 XTX are also unnecessary for non-professional use: I'm fine with keeping them but consumers shouldn't consider them unless they want to do something like develop games or leverage them for compute task part time (As time savings are worth the diminishing returns of price vs performance)

But for most people? You can max out a reasonable high refresh rate (1080p at 200hz or 1440p at 144hz) with the 4070 and 7800 class cards in the near future. Specially with all the new features like DLSS 2 and 3 and FSR 2 and 3

Yes you can squeeze out more performance but you shouldn't have to increase the power limits: the true gains should be that now you can get 3090/6900 levels of performance with the 4070/7800 class of cards for less power and a better launch price. Anything else is almost always forced through with unreasonable power and cooling requirements which push the entire stack forward and the price premium becomes apparent not only on those power and cooling requirements but every single other component around the PC that would be needed to take advantage of the super high end GPU: super high end CPUs and cooling for those, super high end motherboards, super fast ram all become necessary so now we're talking 100% or worst price increases for maybe 30 to 40% performance at the best of cases and basically undiscernible levels of fidelity and refresh rates: adjust settings down a bit to get most of the way there without paying literally double once you put together the full system.

It's really an unsustainable market and these companies rarely admit the market is maintained by midrange offerings instead, otherwise they'd be out of business.
Do you guys just think 4k doesn't exist?

Like it's not the main focus of all display technology innovations happening not only in TV's but now monitors too.

I've been at 4k since 2014 and every person I know but one is also on a 4k display at this point.

4k/120hz was NOT achieved by even the best cards of last gen and it's only now with the 4090 that I think we finally have a card capable of actually matching the new "standard" for all TV's and many monitors of today.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 421   +208
I'm going to have a good hearty laugh in six months when you're posting "12VHP connector burned my house down, AMA"
Is this what it's come to with the amd fanboys?

Wishing people lose their homes and possibly lives and boasting how you can't wait to be laughing when it does?

Man the level of salt coming from guys like you is at an all time high! Like just deal with it the "Nvidia 4090 destroying" rdna3 just didn't turn out.... Amd failed to implement what they were trying to architect.

Maybe next time and when they go ham yall will be pumped once again for ultra high end cards for now go ahead and pretend like yall weren't boasting for cards last gen to beat the 3090 in more powerful versions of already existing cards.

Yall want the win so bad you can taste it but you're absolutely not willing to let anyone know just how much you're willing to sacrifice for that until amd actually does it.... Then you'll be all for it!
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 421   +208
Yeah, on paper it is.

BUT only if you're a fat cat millionaire (the tax code was written specifically for them it seems!).
Otherwise, good luck making ends meet (even while working 2 jobs) and trying to pay exorbitant medical bills if you dare to get sick and have to go to a hospital!!

Or even if you lose your job and suddenly you have no healthcare coverage and are at the mercy of health insurance company bureaucrats!!

Otherwise, it's not bad.


The country is not nearly as bad as you make it sound.... Lose your job almost all states now cover you with medicaid and it pays 100% for almost everything.

Have low income and or can't afford a needed service?

Every single hospital network I've been to has a charity care program to help you pay for or even cover 100% your costs for services.

I had a 70,000k surgery when I was 19 and my health insurance only covered 55k the hospital called afterwards and asked how I would be the difference and I told them I was jobless (as I was for about 6 months to recover} and they called me back 20 min later and said it was all taken care of.

Many people find the few and far between exceptions that slip through the cracks and have a terrible time but for most in this country there are plenty of ways to get taken care of.

Heck if you're dying and go to hospital they MUST service you thru cannot deny you even with nothing for coverage.

I spent a large portion of my life poor in the US and it was still a better life than most would experience in a lot of the rest of the world.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 421   +208
To upgrade to a 4090, I would need to spend in excess of $4000 to do it justice. New case. New PSU. New high-repfresh 4k monitor.....And a fire extinguisher. Tech Press - "BUT Ray Tracing you peasant."


Good thing I planned ahead....

Already have a case big enough (tower 900) since 2016

Sold 3080ti in May before crypto bubble burst for $1650

Sold 1200w psu at the same time for $180

Already had 4k/120hz OLED since 2019

All I had to do was buy a 4090 FE and a 1000w pci 5.0 / atx 3.0 psu last month for less than I made on selling the old stuff and im golden!

Gaming at 4k/120 max settings in almost everything I can throw at it rt included and my power usage is usually under 300w max I've seen is 340w so far.... Temps never above 65c

I couldn't be happier!

Replaced now with
 

takaozo

Posts: 514   +812
Good thing I planned ahead....

Already have a case big enough (tower 900) since 2016

Sold 3080ti in May before crypto bubble burst for $1650

Sold 1200w psu at the same time for $180

Already had 4k/120hz OLED since 2019

All I had to do was buy a 4090 FE and a 1000w pci 5.0 / atx 3.0 psu last month for less than I made on selling the old stuff and im golden!

Gaming at 4k/120 max settings in almost everything I can throw at it rt included and my power usage is usually under 300w max I've seen is 340w so far.... Temps never above 65c

I couldn't be happier!

Replaced now with
From May to last month did you have something to game on or just the iGPU?
 

Puiu

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Do you guys just think 4k doesn't exist?

Like it's not the main focus of all display technology innovations happening not only in TV's but now monitors too.

I've been at 4k since 2014 and every person I know but one is also on a 4k display at this point.

4k/120hz was NOT achieved by even the best cards of last gen and it's only now with the 4090 that I think we finally have a card capable of actually matching the new "standard" for all TV's and many monitors of today.
High refresh rates at 4K have been achieved a loooooong time ago. What we didn't achieve were high refresh rates in the newest AAA titles at max settings.

Older titles benefit from both 4K and high refresh rates just as much as newer titles. For example, Bioshock Infinite (and older prequels) gets over 300 FPS at 4K with an 3090ti + 12900K. In terms of newer titles, Stray can get between 120-170FPS at 4K depending on the map area (no upscaling, max settings).

People tend to forget that it's not just Spider-man or other new titles that they can play on PC. Or you know... you can turn down the settings slightly? :)
 
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Puiu

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Sadly, the RTX4090 will not be able to compete with the AIB RX 7900 XTX.

If you didn't pick up on it, Dr Lisa Su never acts smug and during HER presentation she said something in a way that caught my ear when She said "What >WE< are releasing today..."

AMD release their STOCK CARDS @ 2.4Ghz, while AIB cards will flirt with 3Ghz..




So let that^ sink in for a moment.
At most we'll see 2.8GHz, but realistically ~2.7GHz is what we'll get from the 7900 AIB cards (and eve this might be too high). The mid range cards are the ones that will get closer to 3GHz.
 
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poltevo

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Hyping what AIBs will do (or what AMD do next year!) will only end in disappointment. Expect moderate increases and be happy.
 
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