AMD crashes in latest Steam survey

As far as I’m aware the sample size is all of steam. They don’t actually disclose the sample size but I’ve noticed I get a prompt asking me to participate every time I’ve upgraded a significant component within my rig.

However if you haven’t had that you can run one of the following commands in windows (windows key - R) to force it;

steam://take survey/1/
steam://take survey/2/
steam://take survey/3/
steam://take survey/4/
I'll have to look into those commands but no, the survey is taken randomly. You only get the prompt when you're selected for that survey run.
Edit: Ok, it looks like those commands work, but only once each.
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 829   +653
LOL...

This is the person who skews everything. Because NO, it takes YEARS before you get a Steam survey, because I have three gaming rigs w/their own Steam account, and in a 3 year period I was only asked once, on one of the machines. I wonder how often u drop your script per year...


I wonder how often Steam polls Xbox and PlayStations's hardware...?
Your individual experience means literally nothing. I get prompted quite frequently for a steam survey and you can also trigger it yourself. The fact is the steam survey is the best snapshot of data we have to see what hardware users on steam are using. It’s not perfect but there are clear and obvious trends. People like you just don’t like the results and make a lousy attempts at discrediting it.

If you are wondering how often steam polls Xbox and PlayStation hardware then you have fundamentally misunderstood the point of the survey.
 

m3tavision

Posts: 683   +449
Your individual experience means literally nothing. I get prompted quite frequently for a steam survey and you can also trigger it yourself. The fact is the steam survey is the best snapshot of data we have to see what hardware users on steam are using. It’s not perfect but there are clear and obvious trends. People like you just don’t like the results and make a lousy attempts at discrediting it.

If you are wondering how often steam polls Xbox and PlayStation hardware then you have fundamentally misunderstood the point of the survey.


Again, I have been on steam since it's inception and YOU are simply lying. Anyone here knows it, because Most people do not get a steam survey once a year, let alone several times a year like you are pretending.

I am not just speaking from experience, I am speaking from a long list of friends that I game with over the last 20+ years. And other's on any forum... a steam survey is not frequent...

You are pushing results, because Steam Survey Results mean something to you.


 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 829   +653
Again, I have been on steam since it's inception and YOU are simply lying. Anyone here knows it, because Most people do not get a steam survey once a year, let alone several times a year like you are pretending.

I am not just speaking from experience, I am speaking from a long list of friends that I game with over the last 20+ years. And other's on any forum... a steam survey is not frequent...

You are pushing results, because Steam Survey Results mean something to you.
Lmao, I haven’t lied about a thing. The command to run the survey has even already been listed in this comment thread;


steam://take survey/1/
steam://take survey/2/
steam://take survey/3/
steam://take survey/4/

If you are still struggling then I would suggest you ask the person who built your PCs for you to assist you. It’s relatively straightforward to run but some people do struggle…

Oh and your personal experience is still irrelevant in a mass survey. That should be obvious..
 

Raytrace3D

Posts: 259   +281
Got an RTX 3080 Ti on Monday. Yay!

Last AMD cards I had (2 RX 580 and an RX 570) each had black-screen issues and random crashes. Sorry AMD, I love you, but your video card drivers suck.

My 2 GTX 980's, GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 TI never had a single issue. For me, it's worth paying a premium for quality and reliability.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 315   +149
Got an RTX 3080 Ti on Monday. Yay!

Last AMD cards I had (2 RX 580 and an RX 570) each had black-screen issues and random crashes. Sorry AMD, I love you, but your video card drivers suck.

My 2 GTX 980's, GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 TI never had a single issue. For me, it's worth paying a premium for quality and reliability.

Nice!

I too own a 3080ti after trading a 3080 for it and buying that $699 cad with the $1050 u got from my 2080ti in August last year.

I too had all the cards above you listed and never had a single issue with my Nvidia cards (outside of the one time I went away from evga and got a msi seahawk 1080 that had a hardware failure) but my radeon cards everything past the 7970 has major driver issues with the final card I gave them a chance with (5700xt) literally making my system unbootable requiring several days troubleshooting and a complete replacement and bios flash to fix.

I'm sticking with Nvidia until someone else shows me a better featured more powerful and at the very least AS STABLE product and. So far in 8 years since moving to Nvidia for my main rig no one has.
 

Dimitrios

Posts: 913   +704
Is STEAM using Diminon software ;-) I'm sorry with so much fraud and tweaking I don't trust any software when it comes to counting with what I have been seeing the last few years.

LIES/CHEATING never ends.
 

Kosmoz

Posts: 419   +748
Interesting, most shops in EU show nvidia being much more expensive than AMD (real prices, not MSRP). As in, exactly the opposite as some people here said: a 3060 for the price of a 6700 XT and 3060 Ti being +100 euros and 3070 + 200 euros over the 6700 XT.
The same goes for all other tiers, nvidia is more expensive, even though it has more stock.

Also interesting is everyone's experience with AMD GPUs. I had only nvidia GPUs up until last month when I bought a 6700 XT. I had some issues (software) with GTX 1060 and 1080 in the last 5 years, but overall not many, so I can't complain.

The funny part is I have zero issues with my RX 6700 XT and I tested it in about half dozen games. I knew there were issues with older gens and RDNA1, but as far as RDNA2 so far I see no issues, hardware or software wise.

To me it looks like the claim that AMD has better drivers for RDNA2 compared to what they had at RDNA1 launch, is true.

So I guess it really depends on each one's experience and on what generation and the time of use/happening.
 

Bp968

Posts: 236   +167
It's sad that AMD have just completely abandoned the low-mid range. There was zero real price competition to the i3-10100F / i5-10400F. They appear to have stopped making the R3-3100. The 3300X has been pure vapourware in many regions all along. The 3600 inflated up to +50%. The 5000 series were already double the price the 1000-3000 series were and the 5600x ended up +30% more than the i7-10700F at one point. They had a golden opportunity to seize a large chunk of the market with an updated 4200G / 4400G APU during severe GPU shortages, yet completely refused to sell 4000 APU's to non-OEM's, and even with the 5000 APU series there's no 5300X or 5300G. At the end of the day if they refuse to sell anything less than $240, then despite higher profits on what they do sell, market share will inevitably shrink for the bulk of people buying sub $240 components.

As for the GPU list, that only one single 3000 card (3070) is in the top 20 list and all 3000 cards combined have a market share of (6%) almost a year post-launch, it's pretty obvious what non-gaming usage the millions of 3000 cards sold are being snapped up for. But then more people using a 1-2 gen old card in turn means there's less rush to go buy a new expensive CPU if you're already likely to remain GPU bottlenecked for another 2 years, so CPU sales are inevitably going to slow down even further if the GPU market remains screwed up for another 2 years...


It's not "surprising" at all. What happened there was everyone who uninstalled Steam and switched to mining "dropped out" of being counted by Steam HWSurvey. Then when the Chinese govt started clamping down, they (at least many public facing PC's, eg, Internet cafe's, etc) reinstalled Steam and switched back to gaming. Many W7 installs never really "fell", it's just that W7 + non-gaming miner rigs were not counted if they didn't run Steam.

I remember at the height of AMDs big rebound people kept claiming intels death and I kept saying it was foolish to count out a company like intel. I was also concerned about supply constraints because amd doesnt seem to work with samsung and they were the only other fab capable of producing at the process level AMD needs to maintain an advantage. At the time there was all this talk about apple switching from Intel to their own design and they (apple) did exactly what I was worried about and bought up *all* of TSMCs leading node.

AMD isn't competing with just intel like they (mostly) did last time around. This time they are also competing with apple, nvidia, just for fab space (and now intel is buying up TSMC fab time too!).

Honestly you have to wonder if intel buying some leading edge fab usage from TSMC is as much about denying it to AMD as it is to release a new product? I mean even if all they do is break even on whatever they make at the fab, if it constrains AMD supply even a tiny amount, that amount invariably goes right back to intels pocket. And supply constraints make large businesses nervous. That alone will stop some deployments at the executive level before they ever happen.
 

Watzupken

Posts: 337   +319
Intel is cheaper by a good amount. You can get a 10600K for $90 less than a 5600X here. 10700K is $160 less than the 5800X. 10700K Avengers box is actually $60 less than the standard retail SKU so $220 less than a 5800X! In stock too. All of the above. That's insane.

I got my 5600X on sale for $369 when full price was $419. Now full price is $389.

The 10700K is a great deal and alternative to AMD's Ryzen 5000 series, both the 5600X and 5800X. When I pulled the trigger to purchase the 10700K, I was able to get the CPU and an Asus ROG Strix B460 ITX board at a price that is cheaper than the 5800X itself. It is not as fast in quite a number of cases, but I think it fares pretty well in games, particularly because I game at 1440p. The lower cost of Intel Comet Lake chips will certainly have a big impact on AMD's sale since not many people are willing to pay that much just for a CPU.
 

Watzupken

Posts: 337   +319
I remember at the height of AMDs big rebound people kept claiming intels death and I kept saying it was foolish to count out a company like intel. I was also concerned about supply constraints because amd doesnt seem to work with samsung and they were the only other fab capable of producing at the process level AMD needs to maintain an advantage. At the time there was all this talk about apple switching from Intel to their own design and they (apple) did exactly what I was worried about and bought up *all* of TSMCs leading node.

AMD isn't competing with just intel like they (mostly) did last time around. This time they are also competing with apple, nvidia, just for fab space (and now intel is buying up TSMC fab time too!).

Honestly you have to wonder if intel buying some leading edge fab usage from TSMC is as much about denying it to AMD as it is to release a new product? I mean even if all they do is break even on whatever they make at the fab, if it constrains AMD supply even a tiny amount, that amount invariably goes right back to intels pocket. And supply constraints make large businesses nervous. That alone will stop some deployments at the executive level before they ever happen.
Intel won't die, they will just lose their iron grip on the CPU segment that's all. And this is already happening, not just because of AMD, but also largely contributed by the use of ARM SOCs to produce custom processors.
Unfortunately, Intel is selling better here not because of better performance. I feel price is the main contributor. And by slashing price, its great for consumers like us, but at the expense of their profit. As Intel get more competitive, they will not leave prices at this depressed level. They can still priced their products competitively since they produce their own chips and have a better grasp of cost unlike the likes of AMD which is entirely at the mercy of TSMC. TSMC after all will want to make money, so it will surely cost AMD more.
 

m3tavision

Posts: 683   +449
Lmao, I haven’t lied about a thing. The command to run the survey has even already been listed in this comment thread;


steam://take survey/1/
steam://take survey/2/
steam://take survey/3/
steam://take survey/4/

If you are still struggling then I would suggest you ask the person who built your PCs for you to assist you. It’s relatively straightforward to run but some people do struggle…

Oh and your personal experience is still irrelevant in a mass survey. That should be obvious..

No, we understand....

We understand that you dont actually get a Steam Survey several times a year. And instead, You PUSH your survey several times a year to skew the steam survey results, instead of waiting a few years for a random Survey like everyone else.

It is be because those results and skewing them mean a lot to you, because you put so much weight on it. On the other hand, I actually talked to Gabe in person about this topic 8 years ago. He refused to make the survey mandatory and pushed to everyone... for business reasons.

BTW... I doubt You have built more rigs than me.... I have a 486DX-50 that still works and a friend who wants to put my DFI-lan party rig up on a website because it was water cooled back then and a nice piece of nostalgia..

And YES you are a liar... people do not get Steam surveys several times a year. It was only this year, that my 1800x and V64 LC got surveyed 3 years after I built the rig for my racing simulator and My other newer rig has never been queried and its been 14 months.

I bet you swap hardware just to run your steam script..
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 829   +653
No, we understand....

We understand that you dont actually get a Steam Survey several times a year. And instead, You PUSH your survey several times a year to skew the steam survey results, instead of waiting a few years for a random Survey like everyone else.

It is be because those results and skewing them mean a lot to you, because you put so much weight on it. On the other hand, I actually talked to Gabe in person about this topic 8 years ago. He refused to make the survey mandatory and pushed to everyone... for business reasons.

BTW... I doubt You have built more rigs than me.... I have a 486DX-50 that still works and a friend who wants to put my DFI-lan party rig up on a website because it was water cooled back then and a nice piece of nostalgia..

And YES you are a liar... people do not get Steam surveys several times a year. It was only this year, that my 1800x and V64 LC got surveyed 3 years after I built the rig for my racing simulator and My other newer rig has never been queried and its been 14 months.

I bet you swap hardware just to run your steam script..
Nope, you are definitely wrong about this. But oh well, let’s agree to disagree. For someone who has built so many PCs you apparently don’t know much about them at all lmao.
 

VeeTeeF

Posts: 7   +2
Translation: AMD stopped selling cheap processors. Intel sold a lot of 11400, etc.

AMD is now the premium brand. Intel is now the value brand.
Can confirm, I just switched to Intel in my gaming PC. Sold my R5 5600X and motherboard for $400 and bought a used i5-10400 and motherboard for $220. Used the savings to upgrade from a 3060 to a 3060ti (I somehow bought both brand new for non-scalper prices in the last month).

I play at 1440p/4k (depending on the game) at high settings, so I'm GPU bound 99% of the time. I get better performance with a 10400/3060ti vs 5600X/3060 for the same price.
 

m3tavision

Posts: 683   +449
Nope, you are definitely wrong about this. But oh well, let’s agree to disagree. For someone who has built so many PCs you apparently don’t know much about them at all lmao.
Nope, not wrong about anything.

Again, nobody here is getting several Steam surveys a year, let alone once per year. It can take years before being prompted for a survey. It has been like that forever.

Even more hilarious that YOU think steam survey is current and 1 for 1.
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 829   +653
Nope, not wrong about anything.

Again, nobody here is getting several Steam surveys a year, let alone once per year. It can take years before being prompted for a survey. It has been like that forever.

Even more hilarious that YOU think steam survey is current and 1 for 1.
Lmao, Google it dude, everyone can be surveyed. I understand you don’t like the results so you make up some bullshit that it only has a tiny sample size so it cant count. But whatever man, keep living your fantasy lmao.

Read this thread and educate yourself. Because you are definitely wrong about this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/owsrk8
I await your apology.
 
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Irata

Posts: 1,740   +2,911
Can confirm, I just switched to Intel in my gaming PC. Sold my R5 5600X and motherboard for $400 and bought a used i5-10400 and motherboard for $220. Used the savings to upgrade from a 3060 to a 3060ti (I somehow bought both brand new for non-scalper prices in the last month).

I play at 1440p/4k (depending on the game) at high settings, so I'm GPU bound 99% of the time. I get better performance with a 10400/3060ti vs 5600X/3060 for the same price.
True, but this scenario has great trading and new / used parts and luck as a pre requisite, I.e. getting a good price for your used parts and an equally great price for the parts you are replacing them with.

If you start with nothing to trade, that might be different. So it‘s not a typical situation.

Still, it‘s a good point that having a somewhat slower CPU + a good bit faster GPU will lead to better results in GPU bound scenarios.
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 3,712   +1,780
LOL...

This is the person who skews everything. Because NO, it takes YEARS before you get a Steam survey, because I have three gaming rigs w/their own Steam account, and in a 3 year period I was only asked once, on one of the machines. I wonder how often u drop your script per year...


I wonder how often Steam polls Xbox and PlayStations's hardware...?
It didn't take the GTX 970 and GTX 1060 3 years to reach number one....

Your idea of how data SHOULD be collected is heavily flawed.
 

mrvco

Posts: 135   +128
It would be nice if there was a way to differentiate between customs and pre-builts. I suspect there are some pretty nicely discounted 'Intel Inside' SKUs.
 

smartroad

Posts: 25   +22
One thing to keep in mind is that Steam sends the survey to random users, so these 1% - 3% monthly fluctuations are nothing to draw conclusions from.

The GPU situation however is very telling, Nvidia is clearly the one with the bigger stock.

I haven't had a request for ages so there is one AMD CPU not being counted lol