AMD crashes in latest Steam survey

Sausagemeat

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This is a good start. But I would like to see more explanations on why the Steam survey is not representative/Nvidia and Intel are bad/Posting this is sinister Techspot agenda. Because I own some AMD gear and this news makes me feel really insecure.
The steam survey is a pretty good representation of what we have. I mean how many people are buying a gaming graphics card and not installing steam?
 

Sausagemeat

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Epic gamers grabbing whatever baited fish hook Tim Sweeney has thrown in this week.
I just claimed my free game, it’s like a strange pinball thing. It’s decent! Epic is great, I actually prefer it to steam these days and buy more games on it as they are cheaper.

But I digress, I’m quite certain anyone who has Epic installed also has steam installed.
 

nodfor

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Intel cpus are cheaper but their mobos tend to be more expensive so the difference is actually not that big for the latest gen.
But as stated before in the comments, the low end is completely abandoned by amd. Intel has some budget choices with prev gen architecture. The 10105f is a decent 4/8 cpu for budget builds. AMD doesn't have anything to counter this
The 10400f is also a decent choice with 6/12 core threads and way cheaper than 5600x.
AMD has basically abandoned the sub 200 eur area to Intel.
 

defaultluser

Posts: 255   +226
Honestly if I didn't specifically need the APU part of the 5600g I would have gone with an 11400F instead: it's just quite the deal.

Not really - the 11400 has a cut GPU that is slower than the old HD 620!

The 5600G is an outstanding deal, and really negates any reason for a 65w 5600 to exist! The only reason Intel won this month is because AMD dragged-*** on releasing the Retail APU.
 

Dimitriid

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Not really - the 11400 has a cut gpu that is slower than the old HD 620

The 5600G is an outstanding deal, and really negates any reason for a 65w 5600 to exist! The only reason Intel won this month is because AMD dragged-*** on releasing the Retail APU.
Yes that's kind of what I was trying to say: I really wanted the integrated graphics on AMD that are miles ahead. But if I had at least an entry level GPU worth it's price (1650 is waaay overpriced for what it does) I could have gone with an 11400F, saved a good chunk of money and in most task notice little to no performance lost vs 5600g if you use the 5600g without it's APU part simply because it's still cheaper than the 5600x (Not right now but MSRP is lower so it's going to drop below 5600x prices at some point)
 

Irata

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In the EU at least...AMD are outselling Intel by a large margin (according to mindfactory)
Nvidia are top dogs in the GPU stakes though. Maybe very few people in the EU have Steam installed. /s
And the interesting thing is if you compare Mindfactory‘s numbers for a 5950X vs all 10400 and 11400 models:

5950x: 7,560 units sold
10400: 8,870 units sold
11400: 490 units sold
 
Really think Steam survey is garbage. It's 90% a survey of what Asia's gaming cafes are running this month (especially since they are flipping them regularly to earn extra revenue) and 10% about what gamers are actually choosing. Asia's gaming cafés out number the rest by a considerable amount, not to mention all the systems that are represented that don't actually run the games and just serve as a in home streaming system or even remote streaming system.
 

Sausagemeat

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Really think Steam survey is garbage. It's 90% a survey of what Asia's gaming cafes are running this month (especially since they are flipping them regularly to earn extra revenue) and 10% about what gamers are actually choosing. Asia's gaming cafés out number the rest by a considerable amount, not to mention all the systems that are represented that don't actually run the games and just serve as a in home streaming system or even remote streaming system.
Steam never makes it out that this survey is any indication of sales. It’s a survey of the hardware that people with steam use. I don’t see why gaming cafes don’t count. The survey tells us what hardware a user is using. If 10 steam accounts use one machine in a cafe that’s still 10 users that used that hardware. As far as I can tell it’s accurate if you want to know which hardware people are actually using on steam. Whether that be at home or in a cafe.

There will be a lot of users who have steam installed but never play games and use the system for other purposes. So I don’t think CPU data is very accurate (My mum has steam installed on her Intel laptop). But GPU data is different. I don’t think many people buy a gaming grade graphics card and then don’t play games on it. So its obvious Nvidia are clearly the preferred choice for steam users.
 

Irata

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Intel cpus are cheaper but their mobos tend to be more expensive so the difference is actually not that big for the latest gen.
But as stated before in the comments, the low end is completely abandoned by amd. Intel has some budget choices with prev gen architecture. The 10105f is a decent 4/8 cpu for budget builds. AMD doesn't have anything to counter this
The 10400f is also a decent choice with 6/12 core threads and way cheaper than 5600x.
AMD has basically abandoned the sub 200 eur area to Intel.
Is the 10400(F) really that much cheaper though ?

Best Buy still has it in stock for $165, but if you get a $259 5600x, use the included HSF and put it in a $60 B520 mainboard you will probably end up paying the same but have better IO and get much better performance at a lower power consumption.

TPU shows the following performance for a 10400F vs a 5600x:
CPU tests: 79.4%
1080p gaming: 98.4%

Keep in mind that this is a best case scenario (Techpowerup - Techspot shows the 10400F at 93% of the 5600x‘s performance at 1080p) and the 10400F‚s number were achieved on a more expensive Z490 board.

So if you truly want to go 6C budget gaming, the difference in CPU + mainboard + HSF total cost is not that large.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that Steam sends the survey to random users, so these 1% - 3% monthly fluctuations are nothing to draw conclusions from.

The GPU situation however is very telling, Nvidia is clearly the one with the bigger stock.

Yes, I've said this for years. The pro stats guys will always disagree and say that the sample size is large and gives a pretty accurate estimate of the full population. I disagree and feel that's nonsense, just as any any type of "polls" are. It's a waste of time and Valve/Steam should really just open the survey up for all Steam users to participate or opt out if they choose. What's the reason not to anyway?
 

Sausagemeat

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Is the 10400(F) really that much cheaper though ?

Best Buy still has it in stock for $165, but if you get a $259 5600x, use the included HSF and put it in a $60 B520 mainboard you will probably end up paying the same but have better IO and get much better performance at a lower power consumption.

TPU shows the following performance for a 10400F vs a 5600x:
CPU tests: 79.4%
1080p gaming: 98.4%

Keep in mind that this is a best case scenario (Techpowerup - Techspot shows the 10400F at 93% of the 5600x‘s performance at 1080p) and the 10400F‚s number were achieved on a more expensive Z490 board.

So if you truly want to go 6C budget gaming, the difference in CPU + mainboard + HSF total cost is not that large.
If you’re buying a “non K” Intel SKU then you can use a B560 motherboard and they are cheap, almost as cheap as an A520 but tend to have more features like PCIe4 which the A520 doesn’t have.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Yes, please base another "news" story off Steam Survey.....

@ Rob Thubron - you guys hard pressed to push this $hit out to meet some quota? More like a click bait article than anything newsworthy.

I've still yet to see a survey option come up with Steam since I purchased a 980Ti over 6 years ago. Running a new system with the 5900X, 3060Ti, MB, RAM, storage and display.
Or my brother using his i7-something, 5700XT, etc....he's been on this system for the past 2.5-3 years, hasn't seen a Steam Survey.
Or a friend that got this hands on a 6800XT when they launched and his i9-something - he hasn't seen a steam survey for years.

It's hard to take the Steam Survey as something reliable when we have zero info about how many people it polls, how often, any repeat entries, how long it keeps info before dumping and so on.

Anyway, AMD cards are more widely available than Nvidia, but they are still horribly overpriced compared to what Nvidia cards tend to sell for.

(dependent of AIB and model)
6700XT still upwards of $750-1000
3060Ti is anywhere from $470-650
3070/3070Ti is anywhere from $700-900

Buy a 6700XT that's at least $280 more expensive than a 3060Ti and get similar performance as a 3060Ti.....? That's just ignorant.

Or spend, if you get lucky, a similar amount or maybe a hundred dollars more on a 6700XT over a 3070/3070Ti and miss out on the 15-20% performance boost the RTX cards have over the 6700XT....? That's also ignorant.
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AMD cards need come down in price before we'll really see them being a good alternative to what Nvidia is offering. Right now the only cards that are priced similarly are 3080Ti vs 6800XT and 3090 vs 6900XT....but those are top-tier cards and folks that have that kind of money spend probably won't bat an eye at the price tags.

Eventually the AMD cards do sell, but with them priced so much higher it's just stupid to spend that extra money unless you have no choice. I would have been happy to spend around $450 on a 6700XT, if they were ever at that price range at Micro Center, but they've always been way over priced and have been around that $800-1000 range for months now. Luckily I was able to land a couple of EVGA cards that were retail cost of $399 and $470 (3060 and 3060Ti).
 

Sausagemeat

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Yes, I've said this for years. The pro stats guys will always disagree and say that the sample size is large and gives a pretty accurate estimate of the full population. I disagree and feel that's nonsense, just as any any type of "polls" are. It's a waste of time and Valve/Steam should really just open the survey up for all Steam users to participate or opt out if they choose. What's the reason not to anyway?

As far as I’m aware the sample size is all of steam. They don’t actually disclose the sample size but I’ve noticed I get a prompt asking me to participate every time I’ve upgraded a significant component within my rig.

However if you haven’t had that you can run one of the following commands in windows (windows key - R) to force it;

steam://take survey/1/
steam://take survey/2/
steam://take survey/3/
steam://take survey/4/
 

longjohn119

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Is anyone surprised? This RTX stuff has AMD bent over a barrel. They just don’t have an answer to it.
That's a part of it .... Also DLSS 2.0, a better hardware encoder (NVenc), Value Added features Nvidia Studio and even the ability to use a RTX GPU for Ai and Compute applications for science and engineering

I got an AMD GPU for the first time in years with a RX 5700 and then fought it for 6 months with really crappy drivers and when I realized my chances of getting a 3070 or 3080 were about nil I jumped on a MSI RTX 2080 Super Seahawk X hybrid watercooled for $500 from a friend of a friend who got lucky and got a 3080 on release day and it's been a troublefree flawless performer and will easily get me by until the 3070's drop to MSRP

Mind you I also own 1003 shares for AMD stock I bought in 2009 and would love to see AMD succeed in the GPU market like they have in the CPU market but I'm also a Realist which is why I went back to Nvidia for GPUs
 

Sausagemeat

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That's a part of it .... Also DLSS 2.0, a better hardware encoder (NVenc), Value Added features Nvidia Studio and even the ability to use a RTX GPU for Ai and Compute applications for science and engineering

I got an AMD GPU for the first time in years with a RX 5700 and then fought it for 6 months with really crappy drivers and when I realized my chances of getting a 3070 or 3080 were about nil I jumped on a MSI RTX 2080 Super Seahawk X hybrid watercooled for $500 from a friend of a friend who got lucky and got a 3080 on release day and it's been a troublefree flawless performer and will easily get me by until the 3070's drop to MSRP

Mind you I also own 1003 shares for AMD stock I bought in 2009 and would love to see AMD succeed in the GPU market like they have in the CPU market but I'm also a Realist which is why I went back to Nvidia for GPUs
Ah I meant DLSS and RTX voice etc aswell as ray tracing when I said RTX features. I think ray tracing isn’t as significant as DLSS when it comes to sales. They also have cuda.

I’m in the same boat as you were, I’m stuck on an RX480 and I’m sick to death of the driver issues. But I need a whole new PC really, my 4790K won’t cut it with a top end GPU (especially an Nvidia one). Prebuilts arent too bad, you can get ok value on them and they are certainly a lot better value than buying a GPU separately. I’m just going to be out living on boats a lot until Christmas so I’m just going to wait till then to upgrade.
 

NeoMorpheus

Posts: 883   +1,678
Yes, please base another "news" story off Steam Survey.....

@ Rob Thubron - you guys hard pressed to push this $hit out to meet some quota? More like a click bait article than anything newsworthy.

I've still yet to see a survey option come up with Steam since I purchased a 980Ti over 6 years ago. Running a new system with the 5900X, 3060Ti, MB, RAM, storage and display.
Or my brother using his i7-something, 5700XT, etc....he's been on this system for the past 2.5-3 years, hasn't seen a Steam Survey.
Or a friend that got this hands on a 6800XT when they launched and his i9-something - he hasn't seen a steam survey for years.

It's hard to take the Steam Survey as something reliable when we have zero info about how many people it polls, how often, any repeat entries, how long it keeps info before dumping and so on.

Anyway, AMD cards are more widely available than Nvidia, but they are still horribly overpriced compared to what Nvidia cards tend to sell for.

(dependent of AIB and model)
6700XT still upwards of $750-1000
3060Ti is anywhere from $470-650
3070/3070Ti is anywhere from $700-900

Buy a 6700XT that's at least $280 more expensive than a 3060Ti and get similar performance as a 3060Ti.....? That's just ignorant.

Or spend, if you get lucky, a similar amount or maybe a hundred dollars more on a 6700XT over a 3070/3070Ti and miss out on the 15-20% performance boost the RTX cards have over the 6700XT....? That's also ignorant.
ignorant-michael.gif


AMD cards need come down in price before we'll really see them being a good alternative to what Nvidia is offering. Right now the only cards that are priced similarly are 3080Ti vs 6800XT and 3090 vs 6900XT....but those are top-tier cards and folks that have that kind of money spend probably won't bat an eye at the price tags.

Eventually the AMD cards do sell, but with them priced so much higher it's just stupid to spend that extra money unless you have no choice. I would have been happy to spend around $450 on a 6700XT, if they were ever at that price range at Micro Center, but they've always been way over priced and have been around that $800-1000 range for months now. Luckily I was able to land a couple of EVGA cards that were retail cost of $399 and $470 (3060 and 3060Ti).
Make a copy of this post before it gets deleted, because calling out mods in here is a sin, something about fragile egos or something else.

But yes, these type of post only work to bring the hardcore fanbois out to make them feel good about their love for a corporation and as you said, increase the clicks.

Reminds me of the slaves back in the day, whom use to say stuff like this: My masters house is bigger than your masters house!".

Really sad.
 

captaincranky

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This is a good start. But I would like to see more explanations on why the Steam survey is not representative/Nvidia and Intel are bad/Posting this is sinister Techspot agenda. Because I own some AMD gear and this news makes me feel really insecure.
There, there, now, don't let your emotions control your life. Relax, try yoga and meditation.

But most of all, don' let that mean old @midian182 posting bad news about AMD shake your faith in the product or cause you to question your choices. .

If this drama keeps up, bear in mind I'm going to start billing. Would you mind PMing me your insurance information?🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
 

m3tavision

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As far as I’m aware the sample size is all of steam. They don’t actually disclose the sample size but I’ve noticed I get a prompt asking me to participate every time I’ve upgraded a significant component within my rig.

However if you haven’t had that you can run one of the following commands in windows (windows key - R) to force it;

steam://take survey/1/
steam://take survey/2/
steam://take survey/3/
steam://take survey/4/


LOL...

This is the person who skews everything. Because NO, it takes YEARS before you get a Steam survey, because I have three gaming rigs w/their own Steam account, and in a 3 year period I was only asked once, on one of the machines. I wonder how often u drop your script per year...


I wonder how often Steam polls Xbox and PlayStations's hardware...?