AMD lowers prices on Phenom II X4 and X6 processors

[dividebyzero]

Still, $700 million for a recall is worse than "less ideal."

True to an extent. If most companys had to take a $700m (which will probably end up closer to $1bn) charge, then it could destroy them financially.
Intel just posted a net profit of $11.7bn, thats $11,700,000,000 for 2010, so I would tend to view the loss (and subsequent lessening of buying public's faith in the product) in relative terms in much the same way that most of us would view a Bugatti Veyron as vastly expensive- but could be viewed as pocket-change by Carlos Slim Helú

And besides, Princeton isn't an Intel lover. He's just an AMD basher.So who's really surprised to see him say bad stuff about AMD anyway? I'm used to it already.

An element of truth there also I think. Doesn't alter the facts that 1. he is relatively sound footing with his assessment (in this case), and 2. it's more a case of "politics makes strange bedfellows", since my post was in response to a serial FUD spreaders continued ill-worded and ill-thought out posting. Regenweald's postings present what is generally known as a "target rich enviroment"- and it gets tiresome having to read some bloggers recycled hatemail, so why not have a little sport at a trolls expense? Its results certainly have made a positive difference in the overall quality of forums where trolling gets called out for what it is.

Thankfully I finally have some RMA info for my own Asus P8P67 Pro board...

Hopefully the RMA process doesn't leave you out of pocket and the B3 stepping board ships with some added performance gains ( more mature BIOS and driver set, tweaked I/O throughput etc.). The board/cpu combo you have seem to be posting some very nice numbers judging by your benchmarking thread.

 

[princeton]

chazz said:
This is a ridiculous arguement. I could say that AMD's current processors are doing well and Ivy Bridge is currently vaporware and make just as much sense.

As for the article, these price cuts are making AMD's current offer really intriguing for budget systems that pack quite a punch. Despite the consensus, AMD's 6 cores are pretty good and to have that power at these prices are damn good.

Ivy bridge isn't supposed to be out. Bulldozer should have been released back in 2010. So no it isn't ridiculous.

Oh and if you were to say AMD's current processors were doing well compared to intel's you'd be insane.

 

[red1776]

I am a bit surprised 'AMD fans' are happy that customers of Intel's offerings have to potentially return their products,

I'm not. Schadenfreude is the basis for a lot, if not most of the forums.

Oh and if you were to say AMD's current processors were doing well compared to intel's you'd be insane.

It is amazing how AMD has been able to milk the living hell out of the K8/K10 architecture and still retain a good portion of the market. Other than that..not so much.

 

[captaincranky]

This is a ridiculous arguement. I could say that AMD's current processors are doing well and Ivy Bridge is currently vaporware and make just as much sense.

As for the article, these price cuts are making AMD's current offer really intriguing for budget systems that pack quite a punch. Despite the consensus, AMD's 6 cores are pretty good and to have that power at these prices are damn good.

Unfortunately, you may be suffering from "gamer tunnel vision".

While it's true that enthusiast users can spot a bargain, Intel rules in the big picture. There's a lot more going on in the IT venue than "Crysis".

For example, AMD has to drop its pants on some quad core parts, just to make themselves look better in benchmarks, than the lowly "Core i3-540", which BTW, will do most of the same s*** with 60% of the electricity.

But, in the real world, Intel has reputation, brand recognition, and quality parts. Call a Prescott P-4 anything you want, say what you like about its performance, but at the end of the day, it'll outlast a couple dozen pairs of Wranglers.

Every time any manufacturer suffers a setback such as this, a bunch of histrionic "chicken littles", (mostly hyperactive forum rats). start shouting, the sky is falling, this is the end of ((whomever)"!

Seagate survived their hiccup, despite all the pettiness BS, and threatened lawsuits, and I'm fairly certain Intel will too.

Since everybody's always mentioning "price vs performance" with respect to AMD. Keep in mind that if AMD actually does start getting ahead of them, Intel has the money to hire all their engineers.

So the "does this mean I have to return my motherboard" whine, is coming from a whole lot smaller segment of the market, than one might delude oneself into thinking it is.

 

[Chazz]

Princeton said:
Ivy bridge isn't supposed to be out. Bulldozer should have been released back in 2010. So no it isn't ridiculous.

Oh and if you were to say AMD's current processors were doing well compared to intel's you'd be insane.

A delay equals vaporware then?So intel's 22nm SSDs should be considered vaporware? Sadly I've been waiting on those...I guess I can throw sense out of the window and buy an SSD right now. I guess Fermi was also Vaporware. Crysis 2? How about light peak?

Pixel Qi is something quickly approaching the vaporware title, not a product that has been delayed two quarters.

Unfortunately, you may be suffering from "gamer tunnel vision".

While it's true that enthusiast users can spot a bargain, Intel rules in the big picture. There's a lot more going on in the IT venue than "Crysis".

I think you may have confused my statement. I have no reason to believe that the price cut will do anything relatively good for AMD. This is for someone, like myself, who loves to build computers. I could build a very nice fourth PC for very cheap and still have it pack quite the punch. I'll be waiting to see what bulldozer offers and then compare that with the 2011 SB socket cpus for my main rig.

 

[princeton]

Chazz said:
A delay equals vaporware then?So intel's 22nm SSDs should be considered vaporware? Sadly I've been waiting on those...I guess I can throw sense out of the window and buy an SSD right now. I guess Fermi was also Vaporware. Crysis 2? How about light peak?

Pixel Qi is something quickly approaching the vaporware title, not a product that has been delayed two quarters.

Uh pixel Qi is out. People have been recieving the Notion Ink ADAM with it for over a month. Also the delay LENGTH is what can make it be considered that. The iphone 4 in white has been delayed for around a year now. And it won Wired's Vaporware 2010.

Oh BTW bulldozer should have been out more than just 2 quarters ago. It was announced by AMD during its annual Analyst Day in November 2009

Sorry chazz. However I do admire you moving away from other people who simply say "AMD BASHAR!!11!ONE!"

 

[Chazz]

Ya, I'm aware that it's out. But it's JUST barely out. There is hardly any support for it. That's very underwhelming for the amount of time and hype they've put out. It's mostly a DIY product and they only support one form factor, if I recall correctly.

 

[princeton]

Chazz said:
Ya, I'm aware that it's out. But it's JUST barely out. There is hardly any support for it. That's very underwhelming for the amount of time and hype they've put out. It's mostly a DIY product and they only support one form factor, if I recall correctly.

Oh obviously it'll fail. But at least we got to see it.

 

[Guest]

AMD's lowering of prices does nothing..


For those of you who have gone through Sandy Bridge Mobile reviews. You may already know what I mean.

To others:-

the mobile Sandy Bridge quad core clocked at 2.3GHz, 8MB L3, 45W TDP beats the Phenom II X4 everywhere and also the Phenom II X6 in many many spots.

Here:-
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20294

 

[Kibaruk]

Stacraft 2 is vaporware too... say what? 10 years waiting? No I think it was a bit more... anyhow.

No one is stating that a phenom x6 is better than an i7, NO ONE and I have read the whole thread (To my disgust) so I doubt anyone here can be called an amd fanboy or stock holder in any way.

The main issue is your statement Princeton, where you bash (It cant be called different) amd by comparing a last gen Intel procesor with something that doesnt even exists yet. Read that phrase a couple of times and please tell me how can you not be called a basher, and how am I supossed to be a fanboy, or better yet how someones opinion who doesnt have 100 posts is not valid (Specially this point makes you kind of a...) or less valid than yours.

What I have and will say is pretty much what have been described, intel rocks on high end computer and we have seen it so far no one can say the opposite, but on low-mid (Consider mid a Radeon 6850, a high 6970 and low maybe a 5570, actually dont know their nvidias counterparts havent investigated that so far so dont call me a fanboy I just rather not make a fool of myself) AMD wins the price/performance range.

I did a lot of research on now-a-days procs before buying mine and those are my conclusions.

 

[Zaim]

Cool, I did notice the prices drop a bit on the current line. The 1055t is now available for £135 which is great.

 

[Guest]

I think these are good prices for the performance they offer.It's just stupid when I see hundreds of people on youtube, showing-off their 2K$ Intel machines, and they just don't do anything on them, apart from reading mails, listen some music, and watch 2 movies per month.Hey, a simple dual-core is enough to satisfy even moderate gaming, so with a six core at 200bucks you can do just about anything blazing fast.

 

[princeton]

I just rather not make a fool of myself) AMD wins the price/performance range.

Well sorry to say but those two statements contradict each other. Sandy bridge wins in price-performance. Hate to burst your bubble but factoring in power usage and performance per dollar AMD is behind. This is shown in reviews such as

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...ore-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-sandy-bridge-review/1
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296542-28-sandy-bridge-review
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=28328
http://www.overclockers.com/intel-i7-2600k-sandy-bridge-review
https://www.techspot.com/review/353-intel-sandy-bridge-corei5-2500k-corei7-2600k/

Anyway I'm just going to skip past your future posts because it's obvious all you can do is call me a basher instead of providing evidence to back up your claim and I don't feel like arguing with someone basing what little argument they have off of articles they read in 2009.

 

[Kibaruk]

You sure took your time there haha, anyhow... I'm sort of tired trying to make you realize you are comparing oranges to pears but ok its cool. The funny thing is you still cant realize it.

Edit: And that is why people started calling you a basher.

 

[dividebyzero]

NO ONE and I have read the whole thread (To my disgust) so I doubt anyone here can be called an amd fanboy.

Then I'd suggest you simply glossed over post # 12.

Fact: LGA1155 boards are still being sold- moreover, they are selling reasonably well, as has been documented around the net. I myself have a 2500K/P8P67 Pro/HD6950 build to do for a customer that I proposed for him a couple of weeks back. He's more than happy to go ahead with the build now- so long as I swap the board over when the courier arrives at his door to deliver the B3 replacement and uplift the B2 board he is being shipped now.

Computer Lounge (Probably New Zealand's largest component etail/retailer)
Overclockers.co.uk (probably needs no introduction)
And a selection of European etail/retail options

So yet we have another broken train of logic built on a foundation of assumption:

Sandy Bridge's chipset/motherboard B2 stepping is halted and in line for recall/replacement once B3 stepping boards become available. Fact.
From that we end up with " inherent defect which may cause SATA controller breakage in a percentage of boards" being spun into "there is no device that the processor can work in" Yeah?
Newegg and most of the larger etailers pull LGA1155 boards rather than eat RMA shipping costs in a couple of months or ( or possibly leave themselves open for litigation for selling defective goods by some ambulance chaser), while a myriad of specialist/enthusiast outlets continue to sell the product that then gets spun into "Every 6 series chipset on the planet has been recalled"

So from my viewpoint, I'd have to say AMD fanboy/Intel hater, troll or less than knowledgeable bandwagon jumper. I gather you're leaning towards option 2 or 3.

 

[Guest]

I'd have to say horses for courses. I built a full desktop system for my son whose budget was limited. Our only course was AMD, and came in on a budget of $500 for everything. My budget and requirements are a bit more expansive and I've spent $1500 on an i5 2500k system which blows his out of the water in every respect except price. But my graphics card, mobo and chip exceed his budget without even putting them in a case or having a PSU.

The new SB series is changing the value for money curve, although not as much as I'd first hoped, given the lockdown on OC in the H67 chipset. As for the SATA issue, Intel remember the Pentium 4 disaster, which was worsened by denying the problem. Accepting it and taking the hit will be cheaper for them in the long run.

The final point? Define your needs precisely, or your budget to the dollar. That will tell you where your money should go.

 

[Kibaruk]

If you havent read too much about it and you stumble upon latest news about recall and how intel is estimating a 700 million impact (And this isn't about how many people will return things, is about retailers having to give back every notebook, mobos and what not back), I wouldnt find it good news either.

The whole idea about forums and threads is to be able to learn, comment and discuss what you find valid/invalid until someone differs from it and gives his point of view. And in #12 the question is pretty valid, unless now someone is labeled a fanboy for asking how things equates to "being good".

 

[Mizzou]

If you havent read too much about it and you stumble upon latest news about recall and how intel is estimating a 700 million impact (And this isn't about how many people will return things, is about retailers having to give back every notebook, mobos and what not back), I wouldnt find it good news either.

The whole idea about forums and threads is to be able to learn, comment and discuss what you find valid/invalid until someone differs from it and gives his point of view. And in #12 the question is pretty valid, unless now someone is labeled a fanboy for asking how things equates to "being good".

This clearly has an adverse impact on the launch of Sandy Bridge but the manner in which it is being handled by Intel is quite refreshing. In a couple of months the Sandy Bridge train will be rolling again and barring any further complications this event will be viewed as a blip on the radar.

While there are a number of valid points in post #12 the assertion that no motherboards are being sold in such absolute terms will draw a lot of attention on any forum.

Every 6 series chipset on the planet has been recalled and replacements are expected in 6 weeks. No motherboards are being sold, all laptops have been recalled. With no chipset, there is no device that the processor can work in. Please do explain how this equates "doing well"

There are a number of places that are still selling both Sandy Bridge processors and motherboards, for example here's the Intel Core i7-2600K and an
ASUS P8H67-M PRO both in stock and for sale on Amazon.

 

[Leeky]

From OCUK, on every LGA1155 motherboard product page:

- Potential Sandybridge issue:
- In some cases, motherboards featuring the 6 Series Chipset (P67 & H67) that have Sata devices connected to ports 2-5 could potentially degrade over time.
- Motherboards with devices connected to Ports 0 & 1 remain unaffected or using the 6Gb/s ports.
- Please note if your board is affected by the above issues, your statutory rights remain to RMA the board.
- Tests have found that under 5% of boards are affected.
- PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO POTENTIAL ISSUE TO SANDYBRIDGE PROCESSORS

They're still selling them, and given the way Intel are dealing with this, if I was in the market for one I'd still buy it.

 

[dividebyzero]

The whole idea about forums and threads is to be able to learn, comment and discuss what you find valid/invalid until someone differs from it and gives his point of view. And in #12 the question is pretty valid

The "question" in post #12 is purely rhetorical (if you needed the hint, note the lack of "?"). And the point of my post is not about what "point of view" the poster has- unless "point of view" equates, in your terminology to fabricating "facts" to bolster your argument

...unless now someone is labeled a fanboy for asking how things equates to "being good".

Er, no. I label someone a fanboy (or a troll for that matter) when their post is made up of four sentances, of which three (that's 75% of the post BTW) are quite blatantly bs, and the fourth is a statement asking the reader to form an opinion on the three previous false statements.

1.Every 6 series chipset on the planet has been recalled and replacements are expected in 6 weeks.
2.No motherboards are being sold, all laptops have been recalled.
3.With no chipset, there is no device that the processor can work in.
4.Please do explain how this equates "doing well"

[SARCASM] You obviously find absolutely nothing wrong with posting delusive comments and the spreading of FUD should be a function of this sites forum- I certainly hope you are in the minority because taking out the garbage is not my favourite chore [/SARCASM]