Theinsanegamer
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everything in the nvidia 900 series has HDMI 2.0. And the majority of new 4k60 TVs have hdmi 2.0. The standard has been around long enough to be implemented, with no excuse from AMD as to why it only has 1.4a.
AMD Radeon R9 Fury X Review: Fast, cool and compact
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Squid Surprise
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Yes... but how many devices actually UTILIZE HDMI 2.0 is what I should have asked... my bad... Display Port serves admirably for any and all 4k needs - it's superior to HDMI anyways...
I really don't see the problem...
I really don't see the problem...
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HDMI 2.0 is a must for any HTPC and 4ktv with the capabilities. Its a niche market but this is a niche gpu made for 4k.
Squid Surprise
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I disagree - DisplayPort will handle more bandwidth even than HDMI 2.0... and if you MUST have an HDMI port - adapters are easily available...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort (DisplayPort specs)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_2.0 (HDMI Specs)
Note that DP does 5k and dual 4k, while HDMI only does 4k...
Theinsanegamer
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You are right, Displayport can handle more bandwidth. just like how firewire was so much better than usb 2.0, and thunderbolt was so much better than usb 3.0
You know what doesnt have displayport? 4KTVs. you know what ports most computers have? USB ports.
this card is being pushed at the 4k crowd, and nvidia has a card that is the SAME PRICE that has HDMI 2.0 out of the box. Having to purchase a dongle not only means tracking one down (the one displayport to hdmi 2.0 adapter I found has tons of negative reviews stating that it doesn't work), and hopeing it gets to you the same day the gpu does, but also makes the fury x MORE EXPENSIVE than the nvidia solution, while being slower and more power hungry.
Displayport is great, but if all of these 4K screens have HDMI 2.0, then AMD needs to use HDMI 2.0. They don't have the marketshare to say "displayport is better, everyone use that" It's not like HDMI 2.0 is brand new, or that only using 1.4a saves AMD any money. they have to pay the license either way, and should have used the current standard.
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This card is NOT being pushed for the HTPC crowd... It's being pushed to the GAMING crowd... And every GAMING 4k display has DP ports...
Theinsanegamer
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So that's an excuse to skimp on connectors? Besides, if a serious gamer wants to use a 4k display for gaming, at native 4k resolution, you must go multi card. Given that SLI is updated much more quickly, and has fewer problems than crossfire, and that the nvidia cards are more future proof vram wise than the AMD cards, why would you choose the fury x?
red1776
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I would would start with saying that you are starting with a faulty premise.
Particularly as you have made "future proofing" the buttressing argument of your point.
I work with both SLI and Crossfire and Crossfire is NOT more problematic. In fact, CF scales much better if you are using more than two cards.
secondly, 4GB of VRAM is not causing a limit problem now.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_page...phics_vga_performance_review_benchmark,7.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/crysis_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,8.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/bioshock_infinite_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,8.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_page..._graphics_performance_benchmark_review,8.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_page..._graphics_performance_benchmark_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/dying_light_vga_graphics_performance_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_hardline_vga_graphics_performance_review,8.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gta_v_pc_graphics_performance_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/the_witcher_3_graphics_performance_review,9.html
The decision to go with all DP on the Fury was not a "skimp" . It is a superior connection, and adapters are available and rather inexpensive.
Lastly, is this:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/both-mantle-and-dx12-can-combine-video-memory.html
If (as you say)
"Besides, if a serious gamer wants to use a 4k display for gaming, at native 4k resolution, you must go multi card." is true, making use of all the memory on the cards you are combining is a much more elegant solution that directly addresses and is specifically for the direction and future of gaming. (not to mention 4+ GB cards will be available)
I think you present a very stagnant argument and outlook to an area of computing that is very dynamic.
Squid Surprise
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Unfortunately, this only gives us a reason to purchase a FuryX if we need 3 or 4 of them...otherwise, the Ti is the way to go... Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that this card exists - if only because the 980Ti wouldn't exist without it!!
I would still like to see some proof that AMD scales better with 3 or more cards than Nvidia does... all the websites I've looked at featuring CURRENT GENERATION CARDS have scaling virtually identical at 2 cards, and both pretty similar at 3-4 cards as well (both pretty much sucking there).
As I posted in the AMD vs Nvidia thread earlier, the one benchmark I've seen with 4 FuryX cards outperforming Quad SLI Titans was conducted by an AMD employee - and consisted of only 1 game... I'd love to see someone do an independent review - alas, $2500 for 4 Fury or 980Ti cards plus $4000 for 4 Titans makes this a pretty pricy endeavor...
I would still like to see some proof that AMD scales better with 3 or more cards than Nvidia does... all the websites I've looked at featuring CURRENT GENERATION CARDS have scaling virtually identical at 2 cards, and both pretty similar at 3-4 cards as well (both pretty much sucking there).
As I posted in the AMD vs Nvidia thread earlier, the one benchmark I've seen with 4 FuryX cards outperforming Quad SLI Titans was conducted by an AMD employee - and consisted of only 1 game... I'd love to see someone do an independent review - alas, $2500 for 4 Fury or 980Ti cards plus $4000 for 4 Titans makes this a pretty pricy endeavor...
WangDangDoodle
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Excellent review! Thanks, Steve.
I'm wondering, though... are those tubes long enough to reach the back exhaust fan slot? From all the pictures, they look really short. I keep imagining issues I'd run into installing this in a conventional case, such as: Would that radiator fit in a back exhaust fan slot with a large air cooler on the CPU?
I'm wondering, though... are those tubes long enough to reach the back exhaust fan slot? From all the pictures, they look really short. I keep imagining issues I'd run into installing this in a conventional case, such as: Would that radiator fit in a back exhaust fan slot with a large air cooler on the CPU?
Squid Surprise
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The 295x2 has some power and compatibility issues... but yes, technically it's the performance leader - but it's just 2 cards on a large board....
The Titan X, Fury and Ti are single cards...
The Titan X, Fury and Ti are single cards...
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