Most of us don't complain about the price-performance ratio of the card. I'd say this is a nice product overall. The point is, some of us see the bigger picture already, which doesnt look good for AMD when power consumption is considered. Think for a second, how much power does an AMD card require to perform on par with a GTX 1070/1080? If their mainstream/mid-budget card consumes 160 watts+ and performs like a GTX 970, how much power will the high end AMD cards require? I'm really worried for AMD right now, imagining how good would a GTX 1060 be when perf/watt is considered.
AMD Radeon RX 480 Review: Performance for the masses
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Think for a second how much better AMD is on DirectX 12 speed? If AMD's mid range card is much better on DirectX 12 than Nvidia's high end card, then how much power Nvidia's high end need to match AMD's high end card's DirectX 12 performance? I'm really worried about Nvidia right now, imagine how bad GTX 1060 would be when DirectX 12 performance is considered?
AMD has included ACE's on chip, that is Asynchronous Compute Engine. Nvidia still does not support Asynchronous shaders even on driver level. That MAKES difference on power consumption.
Squid Surprise
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What nonsense are you spouting?!?
This card doesn't do better than any high end cards at dx12.... It just does better on dx12 than dx11!!
It's still a tad slower in benchmarks than the 980 using dx12.... It MIGHT be better than the 1060 in dx12.... But we won't know that until it's released....
cliffordcooley
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With nVidia market share well above 50%, you have no grounds to feel that way.
MonsterZero
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TL;DR - Save your money for a 1080 or 1070, ATI needs to keep working on their cards.
I'm not a tech-savvy but AFAIK those ACEs were on chip since the first GCN generation, sitting there and consuming power, GCN 1.0 is 4 years old now, how many dx12 games did an average GCN owner play so far? Not saying GCN1 was a bad performer (actually still thinking HD 7900 series were beasts and are still going ok as of now when performance and value is considered) BUT how about perf/watt? I'd like AMD to pull ahead in competition but Let's not fool ourselves, if the only competitive argument of AMD is DX12 performance, it's not a sufficiently strong argument due to the fact that there are still so few titles around
GeforcerFX
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Only 50% of the PC market, but they do have 100% of the console market :-D ( yes, not comparable)
The price for performance jump, though not quit as impressive as Nvidia this go around again, is still massive they are delivering the same performance for 125 watts less and $200 cheaper. Nvidia started the node shrink with a extremely effiecent architecture, and enjoyed all the power saving they got on the shrink to increase performance a lot. Amd had to massively optimize for power efficiency as well as gaining what they could from the shrink. We saw glimpses of amd delivering good performance per watt on the r9 nano(but not cost), but they needed more for the next step. They aren't gonna catch nvidia on the power to performance game in one release, they were to far behind, but another big jump like this and they just might do it. For now the rx480 at least puts amd back into the same ballpark, and judging by the top of the 1070 and 80 compared to there predecessors I have a feeling the 1060 will be a 120 watt card as well. But personally for me I could careless about performance per watt, it's winter where I live 7 months of the year and I would have around $15 price difference running a 250 watt card vs a 150 watt card, same money would have just gone to running the heater more so it all works for me
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cliffordcooley
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dividebyzero
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Who told you you that load rubbish? or is this just another "fact" you've made up on the spot?
Like most overclocking it just comes down to adjusting cooling in concert with board power. Pretty basic stuff
The GTX 1080 has unrivaled performance. The RX 480 (which is sold out at the moment) doesn't even stack up well against vendor custom R9 390's at the same price point - and these are available.
Add in
-GTX 1080/1070 are 70% more efficient than the RX480
Bearing in mind the only sites reporting the behaviour are the sites that actually do in-depth power measurements per rail, Hallock's assertions don't dispel their findings.
- AMD have done literally nothing to bring down power consumption under DVD/BD and multi-monitor operation with the 480.
- I'd also deduct marks for the bait-and-switch AMD is running with the 4GB version of this card by supplying it with cheaper, lower specced 7Gbit/s memory instead of the 8Gbit/s found on the 8GB variant.
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Keep on complaining, guys.. That way the prices will drop fast, so hopefully I can pick up a 8gb card for $140-150 when I'm in the market for one in a few months. These flagship prices have gotten way out of hand.. Who in their right mind spends $500+ for a graphics card..? I'm not poor, and I'm certainly not cheap -- but as much as I love gaming, I can think of plenty of better uses for that money... like whiskey. x]
Boilerhog146
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I am looking to upgrade from a pair of 4 gig asus DCU2 670's , but power consumption , heat,and Bullit hole in foot ,has me.STILL looking ..
It is my belief, that NVidia was waiting for this prior to releasing the 1060. Which is gonna just slaughter this thing with power consumption and OC headroom.not to mention its gonna run somewhat cooler/quieter
and to think I was considering the jump back to AMD .(I still call it an ATI)...for the 480. now I have to wait for the 1060,and if NVidia can get them on shelves quick enough .only neveressence ,hardreset .and some coinminers will still buy the 480..though there is prolly already an asic card to outperform this at a comparable price.
sorry AMD better luck next release.
I hear Nvidia isn't making much money on consoles these days.I hear AMD is not making much money on consoles these days either..
It is my belief, that NVidia was waiting for this prior to releasing the 1060. Which is gonna just slaughter this thing with power consumption and OC headroom.not to mention its gonna run somewhat cooler/quieter
and to think I was considering the jump back to AMD .(I still call it an ATI)...for the 480. now I have to wait for the 1060,and if NVidia can get them on shelves quick enough .only neveressence ,hardreset .and some coinminers will still buy the 480..though there is prolly already an asic card to outperform this at a comparable price.
sorry AMD better luck next release.
I hear Nvidia isn't making much money on consoles these days.I hear AMD is not making much money on consoles these days either..
Wow, so AMD may perform better than Nvidia in DX12- all 13 games that support DX12 at the moment... all while sucking down loads of power and moonlighting as a space heater! PASS
"Who in their right mind spends $500+ for a graphics card..? I'm not poor, and I'm certainly not cheap -- but as much as I love gaming, I can think of plenty of better uses for that money... like whiskey."
I do. Try getting into other hobbies- like skiing or golf, and suddenly $500 spent every 3/4 years will seem dirt cheap.
I do. Try getting into other hobbies- like skiing or golf, and suddenly $500 spent every 3/4 years will seem dirt cheap.
This would NOT be an upgrade from 670's in SLI. They are comparable to a single GTX 980, which the 480 only got somewhat close to in a few of the benchmarks, and was more often well behind it.
Pick up another 970 and go SLI. The 970's are getting cheaper every week.
Boilerhog146
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I like that,and yes my dual 670's still rock .a pair of 480's would be somewhat of an upgrade. we are coming to a great time for a gpu upgrade though,stock shows for 1080/1070,, 980/970 prices will fall even more.the 480 will no doubt help to force Nvidia to slash prices,
and as long as my 30" Dell continues to impress,I see no need to go 4k just yet.
(side note) AMD, We ,and I'm sure I can speak for lots of us .the Boilermakers love you .keep the heat on.
we'll keep the power on.I smell 7 x12's a week, woohoo, golden ringers all around..
I would do some research before considering a Crossfire setup. I haven't looked into it much- as I prefer Nvidia, but from what I hear Crossfire has a lot more issues than SLI. The 1070 would be a nice choice. I'm going to wait for a 1080 TI to come out and will probably go to 4K at that time.
Boilerhog146
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I prefer Green as well.No worries though. I've been researching,I follow the Gurus here ,their methodology just works.I give them a margin of error ,and they usually stay within it.and yeah if I can get it to play right .I will be fitted for a pair of 1080 or the ti's if they come soon enough,but I fear,Nvidia won't have a need for the ti's for quite some time according to the first Polaris showing.
Athlonite
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Gsync costs more and requires extra hardware in the monitor where as Freesync only requires a DP connection and monitor manufacturers add support as it's already a part of the DP1.2 standard and requires no extra hardware
I just read an interesting review on
I've had fantastic luck with my SLI setup (2x Gigabyte 670 OC Windforce models), but I think I'd like to do a single card next time. I do get some screen tearing at times and do run into a game every so often that doesn't support SLI. Of course, when the 670's were current, the only Nvidia upgrades were the 680 and 690. Well. apparently the 680 didn't overclock well for some reason, so an OC'd 670 was literally the same performance wise. And two 670's could rival the $1000 690, so SLI made a lot of sense. With a 1080 TI, I think 4K would perform very well. Hopefully by then the 4K monitors are even better and reasonably priced! Also, a review of the RX 480 Crossfire setup was just done, and it couldn't beat the 1070. Plus the 8 GB VRAM version of the 480 (which is what the 1070 has) costs $480 for Crossfire, more that the 1070. So it just isn't the best choice for now.
The difference is when one buys a $500 GPU you will get 2-4 years use out of it.
$500 on whiskey can be done in 1 night!
mcborge
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I was thinking about that. I have ran sli before in my current rig with 2 760's but it isn't all its cracked up to be as it seams to either get broken by patches or is badly implemented in the first place and is what led me to swapping them out for the single 970.
AMD released RX 480 8gb at the $239.99 price point for ONE reason.
2 RX 480 at $ 479.98 in CROSSFIRE mode outperforms GTX 1080 costing $659.99!!!
The point is SCALABLE GPU add in boards. Buy the level of performance that you either want, need or can afford. Buy 1 now and if you need more then buy another.
The CROSSFIRE scaling of the second card is about 192%.
Why blow your money on an expensive NVidia GTX 1080 when you can spend far less and have better performance.
And you get Asynch Compute and a GPU that isn't broken running DX12.
AND you get to BUY AMERICAN!!!
2 RX 480 at $ 479.98 in CROSSFIRE mode outperforms GTX 1080 costing $659.99!!!
The point is SCALABLE GPU add in boards. Buy the level of performance that you either want, need or can afford. Buy 1 now and if you need more then buy another.
The CROSSFIRE scaling of the second card is about 192%.
Why blow your money on an expensive NVidia GTX 1080 when you can spend far less and have better performance.
And you get Asynch Compute and a GPU that isn't broken running DX12.
AND you get to BUY AMERICAN!!!
You missed the whole point.
Buy 2 RX 480 and you OUTCLASS GTX 1080. You also save $200!!!
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