Both main game consoles use rDNA. Let's stop pretending there is no optimization for AMD, shall we?
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AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT and RX 7700 XT see big price drops ahead of RDNA 4 release
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George Morley
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Roger that, my 5800X3D and 6700XT will do fine for at least a few more years then.
Their operating systems are different enough that console optimizations always transfer to desktop. There are also graphical features added to the PC version that consoles don't even use so console optimizations don't even apply to those.
I understand where you're coming from, but it isn't as black and white as it seems.
That's fair, but the xbox is effectively a windows PC. Anything ported to xbox is going to include some AMD optimization.
Here's the other thing, developers have to account for one specific(Somes t two) hardware configurations for console. They know exactly how much memory they have, the clock speeds, the GPU cores. Look at any graphics card, there is a range of cards that can get you 5-10% in performance just from overclocked cards on the same GPU.
For consoles they can target very specific hardware configurations that don't change compared to "optimizing" for a platform where each player has, effectively, a unique hardware configuration.
Say every console has a ryzen 3800x with a 6700xt graphics card, well you can optimize. Well it makes sense to spend lots of time optimizing for the 100 million consoles that all have exactly the same hardware rather than. Developers in this scenario aren't optimizing for RDNA2, they're optimizing specifically for the 6700xt. A large memory bus and more ram on RDNA2 card might not even make a difference. Game was designed with a 256bit bus in mind so while a faster card might have a 392 bit bus, it doesn't benefit it in any way.
Do the specific optimizations for consoles really don't translate to the PC. Since devs want the PC version to look like the flagship version of their game, they optimize that flagship for the largest marketshare of hardware.
But as a final point, I was games would have a "console settings" option for PCs so that you get the best experience for a given hardware. If the PlayBox69 had a 6700xt in it, it would be nice to be able to set things to "console" if your PC had the exact same hardware as the xStation420
Axeia
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You're just looking for problems instead of there being any.Yes, it is a you problem, because I am playing across old graphics interfaces, especially OpenGL and DX9 and DX11, I have more or less zero games on DX12 or Vulkan, and no AMD driver never been good in these
The first post didn't make any sense.
The second one complains about free performance (and a random Reddit case). Arguably back then AMD had more attractive products (feature parity). Anyone owning an AMD card is hardly going to complain about getting free performance and DX11 worked fine before after they overhauled the driver.
Then the quoted post makes no sense. If you're getting a new card for old games then AMD is great. If you need lower power draw, DLSS or CUDA or the level of performance of the RTX 4090 there's a point to be made for Nvidia.
If none of those are relevant then AMD Vs Nvidia simply comes down to price.
PS: I've had both NVIDIA and ATI (now AMD) throughout the years (including their chipsets back when they used to those) with a similar amount of problems from either brand. AMD is absolutely fine on DX11. If anything their lower CPU overhead might get you a few extra frames in those older titles that tend to be very single thread limited and the bottleneck in older games often being the single thread CPU performance, not the GPU.
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Not really. The price gap of ~100 USD atm between 4070 Ti Super is not that much for people like me who still prefer Nvidia's superior feature set and the RT performance.
And that's a discount from just one brand right now. Maybe there will be more, but soon the Nvidia stack will also go down in price.
m3tavision
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~$150 gap bruh...
Honestly, if you care about RT and "nVidia feature set", then any NV card will do. (You don't need a faster card NV card, you just increase moAr features.)
For gamers who want FPS frames... at $650 for 7900xt makes all other cars obsolete.
RDNA4 is coming to make these speeds cheaper and less wattage. This is AMD letting you know what is coming.
m3tavision
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Yes, it is a you problem, because I am playing across old graphics interfaces, especially OpenGL and DX9 and DX11, I have more or less zero games on DX12 or Vulkan, and no AMD driver never been good in these
Congratz^
Knowing that there is ZERO need for you to even buy a new GPU, if ever. I mean DX11 came out 15 years ago and DX12 about 9 years ago. And AMD is owning Vulkan right now.
My friend, just so you know AMD's RDNA has walked away with the gaming worlds and left NV to claim antics and gimmicks.... while the entire Gaming Industry (XBOX/PS5/HandHeld/etc) essentially runs on RDNA and it subsequently crushes Vulkan/DX12.
AMD's driver is also multithreaded and more professional to use than GFE. Honestly, you are stuck in the past. You are thee perfect Candidate for AMD's up and coming RDNA APU.
you are wrong here, it was nvidea the first who wrote a driver with the capability to slpit DX11 commands into multiple threads, not AMD.
m3tavision
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Sorry, you are stuck in the past.
You are talking about older GCN drivers, not RDNA drivers. Again, You are stuck in the past and not even aware that Adrenaline Suite is multithreaded are not outdated pre/Catalysts drivers.
Meanwhile... GFE is single threaded and reason NV cards need faster CPU than AMD cards. The reason NV is re-writing their drivers for RTX5000 series, to take advantage of slower multicore CPUs.
I am sorry, I am buying a card to play *MY* games, I am not buying a card to brag about what is and isn't multithreaded
yes, it is true, AMD drivers use less CPU, I know that: but what would you prefer ? to use more CPU on DX11 to increase the framerate (by splitting DX11 commands) or to use less CPU and decrease it ? at least they use more CPU for good reason
also you are forgetting that for them to use less CPU they need to be able to run the game first, if they crash the game then what is the point ?
well at least nvidea is re-writing their drivers, while AMD doesn't, that says something about them doesn't it ?
yes, it is true, AMD drivers use less CPU, I know that: but what would you prefer ? to use more CPU on DX11 to increase the framerate (by splitting DX11 commands) or to use less CPU and decrease it ? at least they use more CPU for good reason
also you are forgetting that for them to use less CPU they need to be able to run the game first, if they crash the game then what is the point ?
well at least nvidea is re-writing their drivers, while AMD doesn't, that says something about them doesn't it ?
Axeia
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This post is very confusing. What are you trying to say?
It is known that AMD has better performance when the CPU is the bottleneck.
I haven't seen a detailed explanation as to why other than that AMD handles more on the GPU as opposed to Nvidia offloading more onto the CPU. So I can only assume that AMDs superior asynchronous compute implementation nets them a win there.
So there's situations where a RX 6600 can outperform a RTX 4090 because the CPU is the bottleneck and AMDs card are lighter on the CPU.
Luckily both AMD and Nvidia have rock solid drivers and I don't remember a single driver crash using either brand in the last 2 years
Previously you claimed AMD rewriting their driver was a bad thing somehow? Now that Nvidia does it is positive?
Also,I don't think your taking about the actual drivers here because afaik NVIDIA isn't rewriting them so I'm guessing you're talking about the new Nvidia beta app? That does indeed look very promising (and they seem to have listened to the community by getting rid of the forced login - major props for that)
Saying AMD "doesn't" is weird as that's what they did quite some time ago (like half a decade ago?) when they introduced Andrenalin to replace Radeon control center.
Hopefully NVIDIAs App will be as feature rich with the stuff we can already find in Adrenalin (data logging, overclocking, undervolting, custom fan curves, performance overlay, customizable shortcuts etc). That would actually counter AMDs biggest selling point imo (other than price).
7900xtx fell to $819 today.
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Radeon RX 7000 at record low price Preparing for next-gen? Another day, another discount. We recently reported that the RX 7900 XT and RX 7700 XT cards had hit record-low prices. Little did we know, the RX 7900 XTX and RX 7800 XT would follow just days later. Amid rumors of high-end RTX 40...
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You probably never had a modern Nvidia card, which is symptomatic amongst the RDNA-or-bust set. It's okay, I get it
....though it of course does render statements such as "some old discounted AMD card will render all others obsolete" rather funny.
Prices are in a freefall.
7900xt as low as $619 @ Newegg available
7900xtx on Prime day was $749 sale ended
7800xt as low as 429 available on Amazon
https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-rad...-days-rtx-4070-ti-super-for-749#disqus_thread
7900xt as low as $619 @ Newegg available
7900xtx on Prime day was $749 sale ended
7800xt as low as 429 available on Amazon
https://videocardz.com/newz/xfx-rad...-days-rtx-4070-ti-super-for-749#disqus_thread
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