AMD launches the $549 Radeon 9070 and $599 9070 XT: Another fail or great success?

[GGG777]

All NVidia has done, is increased the power usage of blackwell and fixed the cable issues of Ada. Jensen is trying to sell Gamers on software features (ie gimmicks) that any GPU has... while trying to dismiss blackwell's actual lack of raw performance.

Coincidentally, AMD is not selling a cheap GPU, they are selling a smaller more powerful and inexpensive die (navi48), and leveraging that economy of scale over NV's larger blackwell, to sell a more inexpensive product.

rdna4>blackwell




If you are talking about "cheap" GPUs, plz see:

• -NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 GPUs are now said to be experiencing another fiasco, as the onboard "Blackwell" GB202 turns out to be defective for many units out there.
• -NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 has now been "officially" confirmed to have the "missing ROP" problem, which means that every RTX 50 series GPUs has been affected.
• -NVIDIA is reportedly working on fixing "black screen" issues with GeForce RTX 50 series GPUs as the firm prepares for a new driver update that will fix the problem for some users.

maybe amd too to tell in advance it is not possible

 

[manowar51]

All NVidia has done, is increased the power usage of blackwell and fixed the cable issues of Ada. Jensen is trying to sell Gamers on software features (ie gimmicks) that any GPU has... while trying to dismiss blackwell's actual lack of raw performance.

Coincidentally, AMD is not selling a cheap GPU, they are selling a smaller more powerful and inexpensive die (navi48), and leveraging that economy of scale over NV's larger blackwell, to sell a more inexpensive product.

rdna4>blackwell




If you are talking about "cheap" GPUs, plz see:

• -NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 GPUs are now said to be experiencing another fiasco, as the onboard "Blackwell" GB202 turns out to be defective for many units out there.
• -NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5080 has now been "officially" confirmed to have the "missing ROP" problem, which means that every RTX 50 series GPUs has been affected.
• -NVIDIA is reportedly working on fixing "black screen" issues with GeForce RTX 50 series GPUs as the firm prepares for a new driver update that will fix the problem for some users.

edit:
- CPU-Z Validator will now warn about GeForce RTX 50 cards with missing ROPs

You appear to have decided that RDNA4 is better than Blackwell without any independent testing which is bizzare, how could you come to that conclusion? So I am going to tell you to wait. And if the numbers AMD have released are true then you are in fact incorrect, and Blackwell appears to be able to outperform RDNA4 if scaled up correctly.

And what Nvidia has done is develop a real time lighting solution to its cards along with AI Upscaling. This cost hundreds of millions to develop but has given their cards the edge over the competition. You are incorrect when you say all they have done is scale up the chips with the power consumption.

Not sure what planet you live on bro. But im here on earth, you ought to join us.

 

[toooooot]

Good news. If the cards are actually available, AMD is going to make good money off those.
I fear though, the same story will happen as with Intel's budget card. MSRP was 250, but resellers were selling it for 400 then 300. These cards at 800 bucks won't be what people dream about.

 

[passingposeidon]

Maybe it's time to return your monthly gpu prices watch?

Yes please.

 

[Rudyduu]

People will buy Nvidia anyway.

With no availability there is nothing else to buy.

 

[m3tavision]

You appear to have decided that RDNA4 is better than Blackwell without any independent testing which is bizzare, how could you come to that conclusion? So I am going to tell you to wait. And if the numbers AMD have released are true then you are in fact incorrect, and Blackwell appears to be able to outperform RDNA4 if scaled up correctly.

And what Nvidia has done is develop a real time lighting solution to its cards along with AI Upscaling. This cost hundreds of millions to develop but has given their cards the edge over the competition. You are incorrect when you say all they have done is scale up the chips with the power consumption.

Not sure what planet you live on bro. But im here on earth, you ought to join us.

Nvidia has done none of that.

What they have done, is down-marketed an enterprise architecture at gamer's while paying Game Developer's to use/promote proprietary gimmicks. Blackwell is not as advanced as RDAN4 is, for gaming. It's great for what it was engineered for, enterprise.


Nvidia does not have a Gaming architecture, like rdna4... so it is more wasteful and not as efficient when trying to play games. This will become more clear in the coming days as NV tries to tell people raster and pure performance doesn't matter & that their proprietary gimmicks are worth paying for.... (if you are a developer and/or use cuda, right?)

rdna4 is gaming stuff.. for Gamer's. (That is why it's the Industry standard.)

 

[Squid Surprise]

Nvidia has done none of that.

What they have done, is down-marketed an enterprise architecture at gamer's while paying Game Developer's to use/promote proprietary gimmicks. Blackwell is not as advanced as RDAN4 is, for gaming. It's great for what it was engineered for, enterprise.


Nvidia does not have a Gaming architecture, like rdna4... so it is more wasteful and not as efficient when trying to play games. This will become more clear in the coming days as NV tries to tell people raster and pure performance doesn't matter & that their proprietary gimmicks are worth paying for.... (if you are a developer and/or use cuda, right?)

rdna4 is gaming stuff.. for Gamer's. (That is why it's the Industry standard.)

So despite all evidence to the contrary, you’ll still back the losing side of this.. well done…
Alas, reality shows that AMD can’t - and hasn’t for awhile - compete with Nvidia except in the low-middle price points…

 

[meric]

They launched the cards but where are the reviews? I don't see them anywhere

 

[Kotters]

They launched the cards but where are the reviews? I don't see them anywhere

The cards launch on the 6th, reviews on the 5th.

 

[m3tavision]

So despite all evidence to the contrary, you’ll still back the losing side of this.. well done…
Alas, reality shows that AMD can’t - and hasn’t for awhile - compete with Nvidia except in the low-middle price points…

The evidence is...

Over the last 4 years AMD has been DOMINATING the gaming scene with the the 6900xt..!
Bcz the 3090 is mocked in Competitive games as Ampere/Ada/Blackwell could not compete with rdna 2 & 3.


Secondly, You keep using the word "compete".. as if you actually play competitive games, where RASTER reigns supreme. And you BELEIVE that gamer's who spend $800+ on a GPU aren't seeking frames, but gimmicks. When in fact, the lowest of the low-budget cards offer these exact same gimmicks, so no need to buy a top-dawg card (if gimmick seeking), unless you are after frames.

AMD beats NVidia at price/performance up and down the Competitive scene. And that has been true since the RX 6900XT. RDNA crushes Call of Duty (which is also a multi-player competitive game selling ovr $2bill in sales).



So lets now Congratulate NV of finally surpassing the 2 year old 7900XTX in Competitive gaming, with their new $1,300 RTX 5080 in a slew of games, even if it's only 14%..!

(Lets face it, 5080 is essentially a glorified 4080ti^2 and not much faster... and comes with it's own probz of heat, missing ROPS & screen crashing). Face the facts, most NV enthusiasts are suggesting getting the 4080 right now, ovr the $$ 5080.
nuff said!



Matter of fact,
AMD is so confident in RDNA4, that they are not even releasing a $1k high-end card (chip) to compete with NVidia's GB203 or even using high end memory.

Everyone already understands, that AMD can just drop faster memory (28~32 Gbps?) alongside rdna4, which currently runs at 20Gbps & vroom.. the RX2 9070xtx is now jumping at the 5080's heelz of NVidia's $1,300 brand new GPU with sub $900 pricing.

The big splash is when AMD drops the new top-tier chiplet based off the Radeon PRO Mi400 Instinct (ie PRO XTX gaming card w/HBM3), hitting Top-Tier gaming at $$$ w/rumors of nearing $3k. Stay tuned!

 

[Squid Surprise]

The evidence is...

Over the last 4 years AMD has been DOMINATING the gaming scene with the the 6900xt..!
Bcz the 3090 is mocked in Competitive games as Ampere/Ada/Blackwell could not compete with rdna 2 & 3.

Sorry, couldn't stop laughing after that one... so... for the 1% (or less) of the population that are competitive gamers... AMD might be slightly better in certain use cases...

But for the rest of the world... AMD are the ones being DOMINATED... that's why they've stopped even trying to compete in the high end...

Maybe wake up and drink some reality?

 

[m3tavision]

Sorry, couldn't stop laughing after that one... so... for the 1% (or less) of the population that are competitive gamers... AMD might be slightly better in certain use cases...

But for the rest of the world... AMD are the ones being DOMINATED... that's why they've stopped even trying to compete in the high end...

Maybe wake up and drink some reality?

Sorry, but u can't be smug like you are when you know that FACT that 3080 sucked, compared to 6900XT... and you know damn well the 4080 sucked, bcz it was replaced by a newer 4080 and it still couldnt beat the XTX.

Sorry if that bugs you, but lets not pretend you are a gamer.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Sorry, but u can't be smug like you are when you know that FACT that 3080 sucked, compared to 6900XT... and you know damn well the 4080 sucked, bcz it was replaced by a newer 4080 and it still couldnt beat the XTX.

Sorry if that bugs you, but lets not pretend you are a gamer.

lol… the 3080 was priced with the 6800 not the 6900… and they performed about the same - the 3080 beat it handily with ray tracing though…
And, needless to say, the 3080 outsold the AMD card by a ton…

As for the 4080, it outsold and outperformed the AMD 7900-XTX… allowing it to sell for more …

Explain AMD dominating again?

 

[Flayed]

Unless Nvidia produces more cards for sale then AMD is bound to outsell them this generation.

 

[m3tavision]

lol… the 3080 was priced with the 6800 not the 6900… and they performed about the same - the 3080 beat it handily with ray tracing though…
And, needless to say, the 3080 outsold the AMD card by a ton…

As for the 4080, it outsold and outperformed the AMD 7900-XTX… allowing it to sell for more …

Explain AMD dominating again?

lol... You are not a gamer and are now trying to rewrite history.

The 3080 was $1,700 and the 6900xt was $900.. and went as low as $689. I know, because I own a 3080 and thought about selling it to buy 2 6900xt for my LAN room. Coincidentally, I do know many of my ARMA clan members who SOLD their 4090 (at profit) to buy a XTX and new mobo. Bcz why spend $1k more, for 14 frames? So trick is, oversell 4090 to cuda *****s and reap the rewards of rdna for gaming.

Also, the 3090 doesn't even beat the 6900xt in many Competitive games, nobody cares about the lowly 3080...


NVidia is a marketing company, they are marketing broken enterprise cards to lemmings for years.. RDNA4 is the educator.

 

[Kotters]

I see we've found userbenchmark's bizzaro counterpart.

 

[Squid Surprise]

lol... You are not a gamer and are now trying to rewrite history.

The 3080 was $1,700 and the 6900xt was $900.. and went as low as $689. I know, because I own a 3080 and thought about selling it to buy 2 6900xt for my LAN room. Coincidentally, I do know many of my ARMA clan members who SOLD their 4090 (at profit) to buy a XTX and new mobo. Bcz why spend $1k more, for 14 frames? So trick is, oversell 4090 to cuda *****s and reap the rewards of rdna for gaming.

The 3080 launched at $700 and the 6900xt launched at $1000... nice try though... The 6800 launched at $650 - thus the comparison...
You can accuse me of re-writing history, but you can fact-check statements really easily... I think we can see who's actually re-writing history here!

Also, the 3090 doesn't even beat the 6900xt in many Competitive games, nobody cares about the lowly 3080...

Lol... it had a VERY slight advantage in 1080p but was blown away at higher resolutions and ray-tracing....

GPU Face Off: GeForce RTX 3090 vs Radeon RX 6900 XT

Two GPUs enter, one leaves victorious: GeForce RTX 3090 takes on Radeon RX 6900 XT

www.tomshardware.com

This is probably why AMD didn't bother to compete against Nvidia in the high end - as they were destroyed by the 4090 as well...

NVidia is a marketing company, they are marketing broken enterprise cards to lemmings for years.. RDNA4 is the educator.

No... Nvidia's GPUs make money, whereas AMD's GPUs exist to provide sales for low-middle performance PCs.

 

[TempleOrion]

They don't need a cheaper product, the consumers have plenty of money, they need something consumers actually want like ray tracing and DLSS.

Citations required for all those baseless assertions.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Citations required for all those baseless assertions.

I think you replied to the wrong user… I assume you meant to reply to m3ta

 

[GenFUBAR]

I see all these posts in US dollars, but that means little to us in Australia. I'm disappointed that I can't find Aussie pricing anywhere, and the cards are due to drop tomorrow.

 

[m3tavision]

The 3080 launched at $700 and the 6900xt launched at $1000... nice try though... The 6800 launched at $650 - thus the comparison...
You can accuse me of re-writing history, but you can fact-check statements really easily... I think we can see who's actually re-writing history here!

Lol... it had a VERY slight advantage in 1080p but was blown away at higher resolutions and ray-tracing....

GPU Face Off: GeForce RTX 3090 vs Radeon RX 6900 XT

Two GPUs enter, one leaves victorious: GeForce RTX 3090 takes on Radeon RX 6900 XT

www.tomshardware.com

This is probably why AMD didn't bother to compete against Nvidia in the high end - as they were destroyed by the 4090 as well...

No... Nvidia's GPUs make money, whereas AMD's GPUs exist to provide sales for low-middle performance PCs.

Again^ ?

You are hilarious and want us to believe that the RTX3080 was $700... WHO DO U KNOW WHO BOUGHT A RTX3080 for $699... ever?

I paid $1,650 for mine (my first non-EVGA card)... and I know several other clan members who paid around the same, or more.

So it seems you are here for marketing, not reality... You really do not understand that what I told you was the truth, you are just cheerleading. NVidia did it again with rtx50 series... made an artificial MSRP (without enforcing it) and currently selling 5080 cards for $2k...

lol^



News flash: the 4090 is only 18% faster (on average) then the XTX...! And in some games the XTX reigns supreme for $900 less..!

 

[manowar51]

Nvidia has done none of that.

What they have done, is down-marketed an enterprise architecture at gamer's while paying Game Developer's to use/promote proprietary gimmicks. Blackwell is not as advanced as RDAN4 is, for gaming. It's great for what it was engineered for, enterprise.


Nvidia does not have a Gaming architecture, like rdna4... so it is more wasteful and not as efficient when trying to play games. This will become more clear in the coming days as NV tries to tell people raster and pure performance doesn't matter & that their proprietary gimmicks are worth paying for.... (if you are a developer and/or use cuda, right?)

rdna4 is gaming stuff.. for Gamer's. (That is why it's the Industry standard.)

Yes Nvidia did actually do that. They spend absurd amounts on R&D.

NVIDIA Research and Development Expenses 2010-2025 | NVDA

NVIDIA annual/quarterly research and development expenses history and growth rate from 2010 to 2025. Research and development expenses can be defined as an expense arising from studies and product development processes. <ul style='margin-top:10px;'> <li>NVIDIA research and...

www.macrotrends.net

Can I ask, are you over 18?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Again^ ?

You are hilarious and want us to believe that the RTX3080 was $700... WHO DO U KNOW WHO BOUGHT A RTX3080 for $699... ever?

I paid $1,650 for mine (my first non-EVGA card)... and I know several other clan members who paid around the same, or more.

So it seems you are here for marketing, not reality... You really do not understand that what I told you was the truth, you are just cheerleading. NVidia did it again with rtx50 series... made an artificial MSRP (without enforcing it) and currently selling 5080 cards for $2k...

lol^

And that’s true of every card at launch when there aren’t many (if any) in stock. But the price remains the price… those who got one from a first party retailer (not eBay, etc) paid MSRP - and that was $699.

And once the initial craziness died down, that’s how much they sold for - and it trounced the slightly cheaper 6800…

News flash: the 4090 is only 18% faster (on average) then the XTX...! And in some games the XTX reigns supreme for $900 less..!

ohhh… so now you’ve decided to move your goalposts?!? What happened to the 3090 being awful and the AMD card being superior? Now you’re willing to admit it’s actually 18% better?

And that’s without ray-tracing… once you factor that in (I know professional gamers don’t care about that, but you can’t discount the 99% of people who DO use it), it DOMINATES the 6900.

I don’t care that you and your “clan” got ripped off buying a card you were too impatient to wait to be in stock… stop rewriting history

 

[m3tavision]

And that’s true of every card at launch when there aren’t many (if any) in stock. But the price remains the price… those who got one from a first party retailer (not eBay, etc) paid MSRP - and that was $699.

And once the initial craziness died down, that’s how much they sold for - and it trounced the slightly cheaper 6800…


ohhh… so now you’ve decided to move your goalposts?!? What happened to the 3090 being awful and the AMD card being superior? Now you’re willing to admit it’s actually 18% better?

And that’s without ray-tracing… once you factor that in (I know professional gamers don’t care about that, but you can’t discount the 99% of people who DO use it), it DOMINATES the 6900.

I don’t care that you and your “clan” got ripped off buying a card you were too impatient to wait to be in stock… stop rewriting history

I said ... ever!
(not just at launch but well into the following year..)

See, NVidia pulls this stunt every Release for hyper-active lemmings and fans, where NVidia has a limited few cards to be sold at MSRP ON THE FIRST DAY (at local stores) as a publicity stunt! After those in stores sales, none of the cards after the 1st day are MSRP.

NGreedia <--

We all know those fanboiz who stood in-line to get a card at MSRP are cheering... Bcz they know nobody else will EVER gets one again at MSRP. It's a stunt!



Also, for a massive dose of reality and some humility, here is a Gamer's Nexus review posted today. Notice how the XTX beats the RTX40 series and RTX50 series is so many games. It laughs at the RTX5080 in so many games.. and that 7900xtx is 2 years old.

Please put your hands together for NVidia for finally catching up to the XTX wit another $1,400 card. And if you continue to look throughout that review, you will also start to notice the 6950xt ($500 less than the 3080 I bought) beating the 3080 and the 3090 in many games...!

So where is your NVidia architectural dominance (ada/blackwell lol) you were screeding about? When in fact, all those games reviews He (& elsewhere) does proves you so wrong. How embarrassing for your non-factual history.

I bring facts, cuz u can't BS a gamer who plays hard.


Meanwhile, tomorrow AMD will release at card ALMOST as powerful as the XTX for $600..! Essentially making the $1,400 5080 pointless.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I said ... ever!
(not just at launch but well into the following year..)

See, NVidia pulls this stunt every Release for hyper-active lemmings and fans, where NVidia has a limited few cards to be sold at MSRP ON THE FIRST DAY (at local stores) as a publicity stunt! After those in stores sales, none of the cards after the 1st day are MSRP.

NGreedia <--

We all know those fanboiz who stood in-line to get a card at MSRP are cheering... Bcz they know nobody else will EVER gets one again at MSRP. It's a stunt!

MSRP is where you compare card to card… and the AMD failed… which is why the 3080 outsold the 6800 (and 6900 for that matter). After a year, prices settled down - you do remember the entire WORLD was suffering from supply chain issues, right?

Also, for a massive dose of reality and some humility, here is a Gamer's Nexus review posted today. Notice how the XTX beats the RTX40 series and RTX50 series is so many games. It laughs at the RTX5080 in so many games.. and that 7900xtx is 2 years old.

Did you actually watch that?!?
The review says it trades performance crown back and forth with the 5070ti… it does NOT laugh at the 5080 - it’s gets destroyed by it!!
And when you include raytracing, it gets smoked…

Please put your hands together for NVidia for finally catching up to the XTX wit another $1,400 card. And if you continue to look throughout that review, you will also start to notice the 6950xt ($500 less than the 3080 I bought) beating the 3080 and the 3090 in many games...!

So where is your NVidia architectural dominance (ada/blackwell lol) you were screeding about? When in fact, all those games reviews He (& elsewhere) does proves you so wrong. How embarrassing for your non-factual history.

I bring facts, cuz u can't BS a gamer who plays hard.


Meanwhile, tomorrow AMD will release at card ALMOST as powerful as the XTX for $600..! Essentially making the $1,400 5080 pointless.

I like that you finally tried to include proof for your nonsense but… maybe make sure your evidence proves your point - not mine