AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX overheating issue could be caused by a faulty vapor chamber

[waclark]

About Nvidia 16 pin burning connector: from your statements the conclusion is that is Nvidia fault, they designed and pushed it to PCI-SIG.

Sponsored the design and had approval from the standards body. It's a committee.

About double standards, I did not call you biased, though you may expose yourself as one through your own statements.
And one good argument about biases and double standards is that there are biased 'youtubers experts' on both side Nvidia and AMD. And the proportion is 80% Nvidia vs 20% AMD. This I pointed out, but it seems that you really want to focus on those 20% while pretending that 80% do not count, do not exist or that for you is 'normal'.

Well, I haven't done a full head-count of Tech YouTubers,but of the 7-10 YouTubers I do watch regularly, I'd say most of them have been relatively balanced in calling out Nvidia as well as AMD. A few have shown certain biases until it becomes clear that they cannot defend that position. I saw this with a couple Tubers regarding AMD GPUs. I also didn't do a comparison of audience size of each YouTube channel, so while one person may be bashing AMD, if it's to a couple dozen subscribers, who cares?

I do not consider myself "biased" towards any manufacturer. I have professionally sold Nvidia, AMD, Intel, and more for many years. I recommend products to my customer based on fit for purpose, not on brand names. I have on more than one occasion, sent my customers to another seller because the products I had to sell were not the best fit.

Like you stating that AMD is greedy and ignoring the real greedy one which is Ngreedia.
I watched 'live' fake Jensen launching of 4090, 4080 and fake 4080-12GB version videocarda. That launch is the definition of greed, and Nvidia clearly won the crown for it for a long time.

Here is a prime example of your bias. Saying Nvidia is "greedier" is like saying your wife is more pregnant than mine. You should look at AMD's gross profit growth per share over the past couple of years. Try this link: 38857356-1664336601859978_origin.png

AMD and Nvidia started out close, at $2.56 and $2.74 respectively. AMD over the trailing twelve months is now $8.43 versus Nvidia's $7.09. Seems like AMD is growing gross profits much better than Nvidia.

But it seems that you speak for second or third parties info sources instead of primary sources. Like buying and using both Nvidia and AMD cards and make an informed opinion for yourself. You may discover that there is a huge difference between what Nvidia claims and what delivers in reality. Amd also started to make hyped claims but has a long road to catch up Ngreedia.
I bought and used an GTX 1080 card. All 1080 cards had a display port problem, randomly not showing image on a G-Sync monitor certified by Nvidia. Nvidia kept hidden this problem, pretended that it was not real or do not exist and after 1 YEAR they released a bios which users had to manually update their videocards.
I bought a 2070 Super, and was a nightmare using it on a dual monitor configuration, every time I switched from a game to the other monitor the screen went black for 2-3 seconds.
With AMD 5700XT card I had some driver stability problems but overall not so bad as Nvidia issues.
Now I have a 6900XT and a 3080 on my laptop. Both serve to me well, though even 3080 desktop is more expensive and slower than 6900XT.

Not sure what comparison you're making re the 3080. You say laptop but then say desktop. The 3080 12G is on par with the 6900XT, it really depends on what resolution you're gaming at. TS did a 50 game review and essentially said they are equivalent. Prices for both cards are well above MSRP, which makes no sense. AMD has plenty of driver issues with new GPUs, they've already released one update to address excessive power draw and are promising another update to address the idle power draw. In other words, I see no advantage to either card. They perform about the same, and if prices were normal, would cost about the same. One person's experience does not make a trend so while I am not invalidating your experiences, I would absolutely include other info from other sources before making a decision.

For the future, try to be objective with valid arguments, not just statements like 'you are biased' cause I said so. Wish you good luck.

You seem biased because you're coming here and complaining about reviewers being biased which is not general the experience I've had. So, to your point above, I'm taking my first-hand experience and drawing a conclusion, just like you.

 

[DSirius]

Sponsored the design and had approval from the standards body. It's a committee.

Well, I haven't done a full head-count of Tech YouTubers,but of the 7-10 YouTubers I do watch regularly, I'd say most of them have been relatively balanced in calling out Nvidia as well as AMD. A few have shown certain biases until it becomes clear that they cannot defend that position. I saw this with a couple Tubers regarding AMD GPUs. I also didn't do a comparison of audience size of each YouTube channel, so while one person may be bashing AMD, if it's to a couple dozen subscribers, who cares?

I do not consider myself "biased" towards any manufacturer. I have professionally sold Nvidia, AMD, Intel, and more for many years. I recommend products to my customer based on fit for purpose, not on brand names. I have on more than one occasion, sent my customers to another seller because the products I had to sell were not the best fit.

Here is a prime example of your bias. Saying Nvidia is "greedier" is like saying your wife is more pregnant than mine. You should look at AMD's gross profit growth per share over the past couple of years. Try this link: 38857356-1664336601859978_origin.png

AMD and Nvidia started out close, at $2.56 and $2.74 respectively. AMD over the trailing twelve months is now $8.43 versus Nvidia's $7.09. Seems like AMD is growing gross profits much better than Nvidia.

Not sure what comparison you're making re the 3080. You say laptop but then say desktop. The 3080 12G is on par with the 6900XT, it really depends on what resolution you're gaming at. TS did a 50 game review and essentially said they are equivalent. Prices for both cards are well above MSRP, which makes no sense. AMD has plenty of driver issues with new GPUs, they've already released one update to address excessive power draw and are promising another update to address the idle power draw. In other words, I see no advantage to either card. They perform about the same, and if prices were normal, would cost about the same. One person's experience does not make a trend so while I am not invalidating your experiences, I would absolutely include other info from other sources before making a decision.

You seem biased because you're coming here and complaining about reviewers being biased which is not general the experience I've had. So, to your point above, I'm taking my first-hand experience and drawing a conclusion, just like you.

Nvidia's prices are higher on every level than AMD. Customers are first interested in the components prices and this matter. And here Nvidia is the greediest, even if you blatantly refuse to admit it against all evidences. Companies profit are another thing.
So I yeld first to your perseverance about being biased. Have it your way until you find objectiveness.

 

[paul1122]

Just as long as AMD's crummy workmanship was more widespread than Nvidia's crummy workmanship, all is good in the world.
Rest easy tonight.

 

[waclark]

Nvidia's prices are higher on every level than AMD. Customers are first interested in the components prices and this matter. And here Nvidia is the greediest, even if you blatantly refuse to admit it against all evidences. Companies profit are another thing.
So I yeld first to your perseverance about being biased. Have it your way until you find objectiveness.

AMD had the benefit of seeing Nvidia's pricing before announcing their own. And profits don't matter? I think when it comes to greed, it's all about profits. If you think AMD (and Nvidia) isn't trying to maximize profits, then I think you are the one not thinking objectively. Also, since Nvidia only competes with AMD on GPUs, how do you then rationalize AMD's higher CPU pricing than Intel? Does that not matter when it comes to greed? And, suddenly, when AMD CPUs weren't selling we had discounts. Couldn't they have priced them lower to begin with?

If you want to be objective you would realize that pricing a product is just not simply throwing a number out and seeing if it sticks. There are costs that must be absorbed and it's pretty well understood that Nvidia's architecture is more expensive to build than AMD's chiplets. Also, since AMD doesn't have a 4090 competitor we can only focus on 4080 and 4070 pricing. Since Nvidia has better RT performance, wouldn't that be worth something? I know you'll say no because you don't care about RT, but I'll bet $1 USD that if AMD had better RT performance than the 4080 you would be blasting that all over TS. It would suddenly become important. What about lower power consumption? Any value there?

AMD fans blasted Intel for the CPU power draw when it was higher than AMD. But, oddly, it's crickets when we discover that AMD's GPUs draw more power than Nvidia. Is that being "objective"? And just wait for the AMD price drops on the 7900 when the 4070 starts to sell better. The fact that last gen AMD GPUs are being heavily discounted now should tell you that AMD was milking you all along. Why didn't they offer the cards at a lower price 6 months ago, a year ago?

So, I guess AMD is only a "little" greedy where Nvidia is a lot greedy. If that works for you, go with it.