AMD Radeon VII: world's first 7nm gaming GPU is 25-35% faster than Vega 64, ships February...

[Evernessince]

This is actually what bothers me the most, supporting one company or not, Whenever the prices are driven high they tend to stick to those brackets even when the other company has a competitive product.

Just thought I'd chime in, most likely why Vega VII is so expensive could very well be the HBM. One stack of HBM (8GB) costs $160, VEGA VII has two stacks for a total of $320. That's just the cost of the memory. I hate the high cost of videos cards right now but I don't think AMD could sell this for less then $600 and make a profit. At the very least, this card will be very appealing to content creators, creatives, and professionals in general while still being good to gamers. Hopefully when Navi releases, AMD will have a consumer focused GPU that sells for much less.

 

[Sausagemeat]

Lol at anyone who thought they were getting cheap cards from AMD. This is quite poor really, it’s roughly the same price as an RTX 2080 (In the U.K. at least) but without Ray tracing, DLSS and all the other Nvidia techs. Why would anyone buy it?

So AMD are a whole process node ahead of Nvidia but their cards aren’t matching the performance? Doesn’t look good to me.

 

[toooooot]

Lol at anyone who thought they were getting cheap cards from AMD. This is quite poor really, it’s roughly the same price as an RTX 2080 (In the U.K. at least) but without Ray tracing, DLSS and all the other Nvidia techs. Why would anyone buy it?

So AMD are a whole process node ahead of Nvidia but their cards aren’t matching the performance? Doesn’t look good to me.

You lol at people losing hope of their lives? Shame on you. They could still release more attractive mid range cards though. I bid on watercooled 1080ti today and I am happy someone bid more. I feel good about waiting till the end of the year.

 

[Sausagemeat]

You lol at people losing hope of their lives? Shame on you. They could still release more attractive mid range cards though. I bid on watercooled 1080ti today and I am happy someone bid more. I feel good about waiting till the end of the year.

Hahaha, you actually think getting a GPU at an unrealistically cheap price is the “hope of their lives”?

If you don’t like this then just wait, prices are firmly on their way up, won’t be long until all flagship CPUs and GPUs are upwards of $1000 I reckon.

 

[krizby]

I do not think you are well learned on Vega 56 & 64.
As other have attempted to convey with you is that Vega's design IS very efficient when not pushed to it's limits (as AMD had to do, when releasing Vega, because they had to met a certain price/performance ratio.)
But if you ran Vega slightly underclocked, it's efficiency rose considerably. And you didn't lose much performance, or low frames times, because the card ran so much cooler, that it didn't throttle all the time, of have heat soak, etc.
Now, if you start out with 1.8GHz chips and you are not overvolting them (like they did with the 1.4Ghz 1st gen), then you will not have the excessive power draw you had on Stock Vega's a year ago.
Secondly, if you are going from 14nm to 7nm you can be conservative and EASILY understand that Radeon 7 (VEGA2) is not going to hotbox People's systems.

What if I told you that we can also undervolt + overclock Pascal and Turing ? as owner of 1080 TI and 2080 TI I can confirm that stock 1080 TI and 2080 TI performance can be had with 15% lower power consumption when undervolted + overclocked.

 

[Adi6293]

There is no reason to buy Radeon VII unless you are a braindead amd fan. If you can afford spending 699 for the VII, the additional 100 dollars for 2080 won't kill you and you will save up.

Well if you game at 4K like I do then that extra 8GB of faster ram can be useful ;-)

 

[meric]

I'm disappointed by this 7nm Vega. So many generations passed and AMD still plays catch up. Their 7nm design (despite the monstrous specs) can barely compete with Nvidia's 12nm 2080. Can you imagine what Nvidia's 7nm will be like? Definitely will stomp anything AMD will be offering.

 

[BigBoomBoom]

Whether this card is efficient or not will depend if they targeted the sweet spot or just went for raw performance. Vega 56 and 64 could get could power efficiency when undervolted, they were just pushed too hard out of the factory.

She talked about 25 percent more performance for the same power draw yet again, as was emphasised last year when the first 7nm parts were confirmed. Well, this card is something like 25-30 percent faster than a Vega 64.

So it's likely to still be rather power hungry unless AMD have managed to do a lot of work on the power profile side of the GPU.

Hopefully it's less than a Vega 64 but it needs to be quite a lot less. RTX2080 is only 225w under max gaming load. 250w would at least make people more interested when in a head to head against the RTX2080. 300w will put them off like it did for the Vega 64.

I do not think you are well learned on Vega 56 & 64.

As other have attempted to convey with you is that Vega's design IS very efficient when not pushed to it's limits (as AMD had to do, when releasing Vega, because they had to met a certain price/performance ratio.)

But if you ran Vega slightly underclocked, it's efficiency rose considerably. And you didn't lose much performance, or low frames times, because the card ran so much cooler, that it didn't throttle all the time, of have heat soak, etc.

Now, if you start out with 1.8GHz chips and you are not overvolting them (like they did with the 1.4Ghz 1st gen), then you will not have the excessive power draw you had on Stock Vega's a year ago.


Secondly, if you are going from 14nm to 7nm you can be conservative and EASILY understand that Radeon 7 (VEGA2) is not going to hotbox People's systems.

Sure, Vega is very efficient. RTX is super efficient, hence they can stick RTX 2080 in a thin laptop by undervolted it to hell. It's all relative, which is why people dissing Vega for being inefficient when compared to NVIDIA. Don't forget GTX 1080 was put into laptops, while it will be hella hard to do the same for Vega 56/64.

It's like AMD fans totally forgot NVIDIA cards can also undervolt, especially much better. 90W TDP GTX 1080 Max-Q at 75% performance of 180W GTX 1080/300W Vega 64.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Wahoo!! It's been awhile since AMD has actually released anything that even hinted at being able to compete in the high-end - does this mean HardReset will be back telling us how even if this card fails to compete with the best Nvidia card now, it will triple in performance 5 years from now?

I love that despite the fact that this product is not for sale yet, and no official reviews or benchmarks have been released, we still have tons of opinions from people who are already certain that this card is either awesome or trash...

So excited for the weeks of flaming that will now be back on our forums

 

[Vulcanproject]

Sure, Vega is very efficient. RTX is super efficient, hence they can stick RTX 2080 in a thin laptop by undervolted it to hell. It's all relative, which is why people dissing Vega for being inefficient when compared to NVIDIA. Don't forget GTX 1080 was put into laptops, while it will be hella hard to do the same for Vega 56/64.

It's like AMD fans totally forgot NVIDIA cards can also undervolt, especially much better. 90W TDP GTX 1080 Max-Q at 75% performance of 180W GTX 1080/300W Vega 64.

12nm TSMC RTX2080 pulls down just 225w. If Radeon 7 uses as much power as Vega 64 to achieve that extra 25-30 percent more performance it'll also be a 300w part. This is despite being built on a superior 7nm node!

It's obvious that for gaming, Nvidia's architecture is light years ahead of performance per watt and efficiency. Theoretically putting an RTX2080 on TSMC 7nm it would maybe draw only 170w! Of course we know why this is, AMD can't separate their product lines as easily so when measured as compute, Vega looks better.

Still that's of little interest to the high end gaming market who would only see yet another hot, power hungry and inefficient AMD graphics card.

AMD still need Navi and they still need to do better at the high end. They are barely going to compete with this card even having this big process advantage.

 

[kira setsu]

If you don't have to water cool it like you had to do with Vega 64, then it's a win. It'll be at least a year before I'll be in the market for a card anyway, so I'm just spectating for now. I never had a PS4, but if the PS5's are backwards compatible, then I can skip the PS4. 2 for the price of one.

the ps5 and probably any future sony console will never be backwards compatible, release that hope, set it free

 

[Knot Schure]

Sir, that wouldn't be a bad decision - the PC community is the MOST toxic I've ever seen, awash with cheaters / hackers, and moderated.

My brothers (all console buddies), rarely encounter a cheater. What a joy that must be.

And whilst my (admittedly unusual) gaming PC is over 5k GBP, none of them has paid 500 GBP for their gaming pleasure.

I'd happily pay 3x for a game - if it were moderated (for cheaters only), and not cry-baby losers.

 

[yRaz]

There is no reason to buy Radeon VII unless you are a braindead amd fan. If you can afford spending 699 for the VII, the additional 100 dollars for 2080 won't kill you and you will save up.

Same performance? You don't know enough about computers to appreciate how certain hardware takes advantage of workloads. These cards will kill it in computer performance and I can't wait to add a few of these to my server farm. RTX cards are for gamers who can't technology

 

[Gus Fring]

. As for this card, Yikes, a bit underwhelming and high priced. Maybe when hbm2 falls in price, or they bring out a 8gb version they could cut the price by £100 or more. Navi better be a good peformer, mid 2019 ?

I would like Laptop components in a NUC style case ..and NUC style power draw . It seems that only NV is able to provide Hi end gfx for laptops (maxq etc). This needs to be addressed

 

[NightAntilli]

This is actually what bothers me the most, supporting one company or not, Whenever the prices are driven high they tend to stick to those brackets even when the other company has a competitive product.

Just thought I'd chime in, most likely why Vega VII is so expensive could very well be the HBM. One stack of HBM (8GB) costs $160, VEGA VII has two stacks for a total of $320. That's just the cost of the memory. I hate the high cost of videos cards right now but I don't think AMD could sell this for less then $600 and make a profit. At the very least, this card will be very appealing to content creators, creatives, and professionals in general while still being good to gamers. Hopefully when Navi releases, AMD will have a consumer focused GPU that sells for much less.

Rumors are that they are selling it at $50 loss.

 

[darkzelda]

I was hoping for a better price.

 

[Johndoedoedoe]

This card had 1 TB/s bandwidth, which is twice that of the GTX 2080. Combined with the 16GB vRam, it will have a longer lifespan than the competition.

This would be like comparing an 8GB Fury (if it existed) to a 4GB GTX 980.

That bandwidth only will amount to negligible, if any additional performance in gaming, and EVGA has a 3-year warranty so if there are any issues with lifespan, you are covered for the entire time you own the card and go for an upgrade anyway.