AMD reveals Threadripper specs and pricing

[ddferrari]

Vega FE is just an average release. Vega RX "drivers gonna fixit" sorry but no, AMDs ball has been dropped and flattened this time around.

Agreed- their $1000 "flagship" bombed all around: high temps, loud fans, power hungry, and barely beat a 1070. The Titan series isn't labeled a gaming card either, but it games beautifully anyway. Now AMD fans are claiming the the RX series- which will be at best the same specs for the top model and lower specs for the rest, will somehow perform much faster thanks to some "magical driver". So glad I bought the 1080 Ti and didn't wait for RX Vega- it's practically outdated before it has even been released.

 

[HardReset]

HEHE, You little Troll you...

Anyhow, I'm curious about the Mobo pricing. From what I have read the socket for these things is going to jack the price up on the motherboards by a good chunk. The processor may be * greater than $50 cheaper * ( Poke Poke ddferrari ), but they may not hurt Intel if the motherboard is 150$ more than Intel equivalent boards ( none will be btw, all them PCIE lanes #drool ).

Where you did get idea that x399 motherboards are more expensive than x299 ones?

Stop- you're making me blush! AMD's Bulldozer series (love the powerful names, despite the actual performance) were weak at best. People (including myself) bought Intel because it was a better product. The price difference didn't matter to me- sometimes you don't want to settle for just "good for the money", you want good at any price.

You also bought Pentium 4 because it was "better" than Athlon64, right?

Agreed- their $1000 "flagship" bombed all around: high temps, loud fans, power hungry, and barely beat a 1070. The Titan series isn't labeled a gaming card either, but it games beautifully anyway. Now AMD fans are claiming the the RX series- which will be at best the same specs for the top model and lower specs for the rest, will somehow perform much faster thanks to some "magical driver". So glad I bought the 1080 Ti and didn't wait for RX Vega- it's practically outdated before it has even been released.

That "$1000 flagship" is professional card, not gaming card. Also gaming drivers are not yet finished and gaming version of same card will cost less. And while cheaper Titan series work on gaming too, it's because they are basically gaming cards with steroids with no need for special drivers.

Radeon RX Vega is bad for gaming because Radeon Vega Founders edition with unfinished drivers is bad for gaming? Sometimes I wonder how stupid people really are.

 

[namesrejected]

Stop- you're making me blush! AMD's Bulldozer series (love the powerful names, despite the actual performance) were weak at best. People (including myself) bought Intel because it was a better product. The price difference didn't matter to me- sometimes you don't want to settle for just "good for the money", you want good at any price.

Why are you talking about Bulldozer? Everyone else is talking about Ryzen / Threadripper. Can you argue that Ryzen is a horrible deal?

 

[HardReset]

You tend to refer to the masses as stupid quite a bit. Have you ever heard of Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Consider all people in the world. How many of those people can be considered wise when subject is computers? Percentage? Less than 1% for sure. Even if we consider people that actually buy computers, percentage of wise people is surely under 10%. Same (perhaps with different percentages) applies on everything but masses are still stupid.

Pulling out the ol' Pentium 4 vs Athlon argument? Yep- that pretty much cements my point. AMD=irrelevant 2006-2016.

Of course. AMD had better product on 2003-2005, Intel still sold better.

Do you really think that "gaming" drivers are going to turn an architecture that barely surpasses the GTX 1070 into a contender? If they can't produce even a 1080 level card for $1K (meant for gaming or not), how are they going to do it for $300-$500? Drivers are not a magical answer for everything. GAME OVER, son.

Keep waiting. In fact, wait some more for Polaris. And since you AMD fanboys seem to be so good at waiting, could I get another drink?

We saw exactly same BS with Ryzen. Intel fanboys said it will be flop. It wasn't. Not surprise for those who understood bit about Ryzen's architecture (AMD told quite a lot about it before launch).

Vega XTX has exactly same GPU that Vega Frontier Edition has. Those drivers currently available are based on AMD Fury drivers and those drivers have no support for Vega's new features.

Comparable situation would be running Nvidia's Pascal with Kepler drivers. Results would be much worse than running Vega with Fury drivers.

So if you have final Vega RX drivers, post benchmarks using them and Vega Frontied edition. Then you have proof that Vega RX will flop. If you don't have those drivers, then you simply cannot know how fast Vega RX will be and should STFU.

 

[ddferrari]

Consider all people in the world. How many of those people can be considered wise when subject is computers? Percentage? Less than 1% for sure. Even if we consider people that actually buy computers, percentage of wise people is surely under 10%. Same (perhaps with different percentages) applies on everything but masses are still stupid.



Of course. AMD had better product on 2003-2005, Intel still sold better.



We saw exactly same BS with Ryzen. Intel fanboys said it will be flop. It wasn't. Not surprise for those who understood bit about Ryzen's architecture (AMD told quite a lot about it before launch).

Vega XTX has exactly same GPU that Vega Frontier Edition has. Those drivers currently available are based on AMD Fury drivers and those drivers have no support for Vega's new features.

Comparable situation would be running Nvidia's Pascal with Kepler drivers. Results would be much worse than running Vega with Fury drivers.

So if you have final Vega RX drivers, post benchmarks using them and Vega Frontied edition. Then you have proof that Vega RX will flop. If you don't have those drivers, then you simply cannot know how fast Vega RX will be and should STFU.

True, Ryzen wasn't a "flop". But it still trails the i5 in gaming- which 99% of people are using it for. Neat- it's better at some useless encoding benchmark... hurrah for the .00001% of users! Way to appeal to the masses, AMD!

If their flagship Vega card sucks at gaming, so will its "little brothers". Trust me- the 1080 Ti is still the way to go. Keep waiting for your AMD "investment" to become that $500 bottle of Whine.

Join the Green team- it's so much easier. No waiting, either!

 

[HardReset]

True, Ryzen wasn't a "flop". But it still trails the i5 in gaming- which 99% of people are using it for. Neat- it's better at some useless encoding benchmark... hurrah for the .00001% of users! Way to appeal to the masses, AMD!

https://www.techspot.com/review/1386-amd-ryzen-5-1400/page6.html

The Ryzen 5 1400 is a phenomenal value vs. competing quad-core chips. Strong productivity and minimum fps performance, overclocks well, runs more efficiently than the Core i5-7400.

Ryzen 5 seem to appeal quite well for non-masses at least

If their flagship Vega card sucks at gaming, so will its "little brothers". Trust me- the 1080 Ti is still the way to go. Keep waiting for your AMD "investment" to become that $500 bottle of Whine.

Join the Green team- it's so much easier. No waiting, either!

That flagship card has no finished gaming drivers. Repeat, not finished drivers. So unless you have final drivers (you don't have), you just cannot do any judgements about RX Vega's performance on games. This is so clear to anyone that understands at least a bit. Of course, for Nvidia fanboys that too much to ask.

I guarantee that every future Nvidia GPU release will be overpriced piece of crap. I have no arguments to tell why but I know it. That's similar logic Nvidia fanboys are using.

 

[ddferrari]

https://www.techspot.com/review/1386-amd-ryzen-5-1400/page6.html



Ryzen 5 seem to appeal quite well for non-masses at least



That flagship card has no finished gaming drivers. Repeat, not finished drivers. So unless you have final drivers (you don't have), you just cannot do any judgements about RX Vega's performance on games. This is so clear to anyone that understands at least a bit. Of course, for Nvidia fanboys that too much to ask.

I guarantee that every future Nvidia GPU release will be overpriced piece of crap. I have no arguments to tell why but I know it. That's similar logic Nvidia fanboys are using.

Drivers can only improve performance a small amount. Period.
You boys got a glorified Fury dud on your hands. 1080 Ti will reign until Polaris come out. But that will be trailing the 11XX Nvidia series too.

Why do you keep insisting your Civic is as fast as a Lamborghini? Gangnam much??

 

[HardReset]

Drivers can only improve performance a small amount. Period.
You boys got a glorified Fury dud on your hands. 1080 Ti will reign until Polaris come out. But that will be trailing the 11XX Nvidia series too.

Why do you keep insisting your Civic is as fast as a Lamborghini? Gangnam much??

Small amount

Any GPU solution that exists on GPU but is not enabled on drivers, will not work. So imagine you have Nvidia Maxwell architecture card and use it with Kepler drivers. Those Kepler drivers have no support for any new features Maxwell has. Then you switch to drivers that support all new features Maxwell has. Still claim drivers can only improve performance small amount?

Btw. Vega is supposed to have tile based rendering solution, similar to one that come with Nvidia Maxwell. That (and many other new features that comes with Vega) is not enabled with current drivers.

Polaris came out over year ago.

 

[ypsylon]

All I can say is that my wallet escaped by the back door when I've read TR info.

Fortunately my internet account can't run so at least I have some dosh for a new rig there. LOL

C'mon AMD don't screw this up. No paper launches, no delayed motherboards. Just kick Intel straight in the ballz.

 

[Capaill]

PC Perspective has a good side by side comparison of various Core, Threadripper and Ryzen models. It looks like all Threadripper and Ryzen models will max out at ~4.0GHz so Intel will likely have an edge there. But AMD came in like a wrecking ball and I'm loving the new competition.

 

[HardReset]

PC Perspective has a good side by side comparison of various Core, Threadripper and Ryzen models. It looks like all Threadripper and Ryzen models will max out at ~4.0GHz so Intel will likely have an edge there. But AMD came in like a wrecking ball and I'm loving the new competition.

4 GHz is near maximum allowed by 14nm LPP process. Luckily Ryzen is able to do much higher frequencies if process doesn't limit and GF's 7nm should be much better.

 

[Amet Monegro]

Yup 4.0GHz on the 16-core, just like me and many others said it would be.

Only thing that really surprised me is the $999 price. Guess they really want to crush Intel at all levels.

4GHz on all 16 cores or is it limited to a certain amount of cores? I can't see it being all 16 running that fast.

Maybe 1 Core per CCX runs up to 4.00GHz (XFR), all Core Turbo could be 3.60GHz

Grettings

 

[Amet Monegro]

Now if only Vega wasn't such a phail*

Vega Frontier is a Semi Professional Card not a Gaming Card... Wait for the Three RX Vega Gaming Variants

 

[maikal]

You are probably right, but if the performance is there, you can bet that Threadripper will give AMD a large gain of market share.

Not so sure about that market share either. Majority of buyers are stupid and probably buy Intel because it's Intel.

Did I hear Apple Fandom Complex for Intel fans? Funny how people who buy products that start with "I" are so gullibly taken....lol

 

[TheBigT42]

Again, AMD is kicking Intel's ***.

Btw. Ryzen 5 1400 official pricing is $169.

I am glad...I had a AMD 386 40Mhz, 486DX4 120Mhz, and an Athlon Thunderbird. They were great systems. I crossed over to Intel after that. My next system will hopefully be AMD.

 

[ddferrari]

AMD always reads well on paper, but in the real world not so much. "Wait for this, wait for that"... why? I'd rather have the best tech in my rig RIGHT NOW. And that's Intel and Nvidia, boys. Sorry!

 

[ddferrari]

4 GHz is near maximum allowed by 14nm LPP process. Luckily Ryzen is able to do much higher frequencies if process doesn't limit and GF's 7nm should be much better.

Keep waiting and waiting son- you seem to be very good at it.

 

[ddferrari]

Small amount

Any GPU solution that exists on GPU but is not enabled on drivers, will not work. So imagine you have Nvidia Maxwell architecture card and use it with Kepler drivers. Those Kepler drivers have no support for any new features Maxwell has. Then you switch to drivers that support all new features Maxwell has. Still claim drivers can only improve performance small amount?

Btw. Vega is supposed to have tile based rendering solution, similar to one that come with Nvidia Maxwell. That (and many other new features that comes with Vega) is not enabled with current drivers.

Polaris came out over year ago.

Well then shame on AMD for releasing a product that clearly wasn't ready. Way to release a turd that left everyone disappointed, AMD!

 

[ddferrari]

Why are you talking about Bulldozer? Everyone else is talking about Ryzen / Threadripper. Can you argue that Ryzen is a horrible deal?

Nope not a horrible deal, and undoubtedly useful to the .01% of people who will use it for the abstract programs in which it excels. I'm referring to Bulldozer because the convo was shifted to legacy AMD chips- such as Athlon. See?

 

[ddferrari]

Vega Frontier is a Semi Professional Card not a Gaming Card... Wait for the Three RX Vega Gaming Variants

Yes- and then wait some more, and more, and more, and more. Just keep waiting- Jesus is returning!

AMD blew it by releasing a card- after all their fans waited- that at $1K barely surpasses the GTX 1070. Way to go, AMDisappointment!

 

[Boilerhog146]

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You also bought Pentium 4 because it was "better" than Athlon64, right?

.[/QUOTE].

I bought a P4 because it was 300 dollars and the Athlon 64 FX was a thousand dollars .funny how the shoes fit the other feet back then.and they got away with it..and the AMD fanboys wonder how intel can charge so much for their chips.again if the amd chips were worth it they would again be charging for them .BUT !!! it was only for a few years .then things normalized again.yes. I bought intel right through.

 

[Boilerhog146]

Now if only Vega wasn't such a phail*

Vega Frontier is a Semi Professional Card not a Gaming Card... Wait for the Three RX Vega Gaming Variants

Too funny ,ya figure when the rx variants get released ,they will outperform the semipro/pro card? oh.in games. just like 1080 ti slays the titanxp...really?...sarc..

AMD should have just released what ever they had .called it a day.will the RX be available before nvidias next release?better get a wiggle on .times wasting away.I was hoping ya could drive nvidias prices down abit.I want a second 1080.sad when NVidia has to drive their own prices down with their own next generation.

 

[HardReset]

You also bought Pentium 4 because it was "better" than Athlon64, right?

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I bought a P4 because it was 300 dollars and the Athlon 64 FX was a thousand dollars .funny how the shoes fit the other feet back then.and they got away with it..and the AMD fanboys wonder how intel can charge so much for their chips.again if the amd chips were worth it they would again be charging for them .BUT !!! it was only for a few years .then things normalized again.yes. I bought intel right through.

Pentium 4 top model was 999 dollars just like Athlon64 FX top model. Equally fast Athlon64 cost less than Pentium 4. Still Athlon64 ran much cooler.

 

[HardReset]

Keep waiting and waiting son- you seem to be very good at it.

You also need to wait for better techs from Intel. Right now AMD has no real need for higher clock speeds

Nope not a horrible deal, and undoubtedly useful to the .01% of people who will use it for the abstract programs in which it excels. I'm referring to Bulldozer because the convo was shifted to legacy AMD chips- such as Athlon. See?

Point was that clearly superior product (Athlon64) sold badly only because it wasn't Intel.