AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review: Mainstream Zen 4

Theinsanegamer

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AMD did not promise support for AM4 until 2020. They also didn't promise every new CPU will work on every AM4 motherboard.
Yes, they did.

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/the-exciting-future-of-amd-socket-am4/ba-p/414125

"In 2016, we made a pretty bold commitment to you: we would continue to support AMD Socket AM4 until 2020." This was in their promotional material as well, and when they tried to back out and got backlash they apologized and blamed "lack of resources", then "lack of ROM space on motherboards", and "we only meant the socket for manufacturers, not the CPU". Every cop out that, if intel or nvidia pulled, would result in an internet flame mob big enough to bankrupt the company.
Again, with AM5, AMD does not promise every CPU will work on every AM5 motherboard.
That is a cop-out. If you support a socket, you support a socket. Anything short of supporting the next generation on the socket is disingenuous at best and outright false advertising at worst.

Also, literally in the review you are commenting on:

"Meanwhile, AMD has already committed to the AM5 socket through 2025 which should see at least two more CPU generations on AM5."

Stop trying to meatshield a multi million dollar company and learn to read.

I cannot see any problem with 95 degrees.
Well, outside of meaning that anyone who doesnt have watercooling wont be able to use anywhere near the full power of that expensive $300 entry level chip they just bought, and rapid excessive heat cycling being REALLY hard on solder joints, no there is no problem.
 
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Irata

Posts: 2,221   +3,857
Did people learn nothing from socket AM4? AMD promised "support until 2020" then tried to back out TWICE, once on 3000 support for 300 series boards, then again for 5000 series support on both 300 and 400 series boards. It took mass public backlash and for the poor 300 series boards over half a year of waiting to get BETA AGESA code.

I learned something entirely different - that AMD listens to their customers and does the right thing in the end. This is what matters. Did they need to be pushed in the right direction ? Sure.

Will gladly upgrade to a 5700X from my 2700X (bought new dirt cheap after Zen 2 was released, another advantage of long life platforms) once prices go down a bit further.
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 3,750   +6,519
I learned something entirely different - that AMD listens to their customers and does the right thing in the end. This is what matters. Did they need to be pushed in the right direction ? Sure.

Will gladly upgrade to a 5700X from my 2700X (bought new dirt cheap after Zen 2 was released, another advantage of long life platforms) once prices go down a bit further.
So breaking promises is fine so long as you change your decision once you've riled up your customer base? Intel doesnt need to be screamed at to support two generations of CPU on one socket. Nvidia doesnt need media hit pieces to fix their buggy GPU drivers.

AMD, OTOH? Seems the community has to be a constant watchdog to get this multimillion dollar company to act appropriately. It's hypocrisy.
 

Fastturtle

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Hi, thanks for the article. In the future .. please start posting HIGHEST all-die TEMPS hit during each benchmark..

It would be help to know and see the temps for building workstations given that INTEL and AMD both just uncorked the genie by not caring about temps anymore and only caring about ''top cou speed'' at ant (thermal) cost.
Zen4 hits 95c all the time. Plan for it. What it does is changes frequency to keep it at that point and not have to throttle at all but you can set a TDP limit in the bios that it will not exceed.
 

rmcrys

Posts: 291   +236
What do I have to say:

1) if you are spending money because the apps you WORK with are performing great and time is money: go ahead

2) you want more framerate on your games: go get an AM4 DDR4 last gen chip in discount or.... get a life.

People spend more time complaining about framerates than really enjoying it. It is about the same as playing cards and saying with a brand new shining deck you enjoy more than with a last year card deck...
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 1,300   +951
After seeing Gamers Nexus testing, I agree with their assessment; this Ryzen 5 chip is not a good value proposition. Spending $300+ on a motherboard for a $300 CPU seems crazy.

Steve said it himself - just wait the chips will be cheaper , the motherboards will be cheaper , the memory will be cheaper .

Lots of these motherboards are not barebones - someone buying a 7950x will probably want lots of bandwidth , storage options etc

wait 10 months - then simple gaming only motherboard , cheap memory etc mabye CPU +M/B+ memory is $500 - add cheap M2 drive - and your GPU will double the cost
 

human7

Posts: 124   +96
Why only 1080 gaming tests? Nvidia has always had a slight advantage in higher Rez gaming. Why not 1440/2K results? How does it scale up when the resolution gets higher

At higher resolutions, differences in FPS are dictated more by changes in GPU as the workload becomes GPU bound. Therefore, when comparing CPUs, looking at the higher resolutions will show many of the CPUs to be performing at the same level. Even if you have two CPUs that show considerably different performance at 1080p, if the workload becomes GPU bound then the CPU difference in performance doesn't translate to any change in the already-saturated GPU performance, and so the two CPUs appear to be even.

In this situation, it's best to compare GPUs. It may still be helpful to compare specific CPU features (DDR5 or resizable BAR for example), but that's more about a specific CPU-GPU-RAM configuration, and there are too many combinations to include those in every GPU/CPU review, so the reviews only highlight the comparisons that show meaningful differences.

If you want an example, this article shows several games where the RTX 3080 and RTX 2080 Ti perform near-identically at lower resolutions, but as the resolution increases the differences become clear. https://www.techspot.com/review/2110-nvidia-rtx-2080-1440p-gaming-bottleneck/

Although this article is older, you can see in some cases how this plays out here: https://www.techspot.com/review/2041-ryzen-2700x-vs-3700x/

There's probably an article somewhere on TechSpot that goes into this in detail, although I can't find one off the top of a quick search result.
 

MaxSmarties

Posts: 531   +303
Wow. Impressively biased article here... you tried very hard to put the 7600X under a good light, even if in the end is an extremely pricey solution (considering the cost of the system) really not that better than the year old 12600K. In my opinion this is a big fail, but AMD has to be somehow "protected" here...
 

HardReset

Posts: 1,749   +1,415
Yes, they did.

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming/the-exciting-future-of-amd-socket-am4/ba-p/414125

"In 2016, we made a pretty bold commitment to you: we would continue to support AMD Socket AM4 until 2020." This was in their promotional material as well, and when they tried to back out and got backlash they apologized and blamed "lack of resources", then "lack of ROM space on motherboards", and "we only meant the socket for manufacturers, not the CPU". Every cop out that, if intel or nvidia pulled, would result in an internet flame mob big enough to bankrupt the company.
Good that you were able to obtain source. However, while AMD said support for AM4, they're right. There were new CPUs for AM4 socket. Zen3 launched 2020 so that more than fills promise to support AM4 for 2020.

Like I said, AMD did not promise every new AM4 processor would fit in every AM4 motherboard ever made. But, AM4 was supported even on this year, 5800X3D is for AM4.
That is a cop-out. If you support a socket, you support a socket. Anything short of supporting the next generation on the socket is disingenuous at best and outright false advertising at worst.

Also, literally in the review you are commenting on:

"Meanwhile, AMD has already committed to the AM5 socket through 2025 which should see at least two more CPU generations on AM5."

Stop trying to meatshield a multi million dollar company and learn to read.
Yes. I can read. AMD supports AM5 until end of 2025 which means that there won't be another socket for AMD desktop CPUs until 2026. Simple.

However that does NOT mean all future AM5 CPUs will fit on any AM5 motherboard released today. Unless AMD promises so, of course.

To make it more precise: AMD does NOT make motherboards. AMD could NOT promise any CPU support for certain motherboards because AMD is NOT making motherboards. AMD could only promise support for socket, motherboard manufacturers COULD offer support for new CPUs on older motherboards. But that's not something AMD could do.
Well, outside of meaning that anyone who doesnt have watercooling wont be able to use anywhere near the full power of that expensive $300 entry level chip they just bought, and rapid excessive heat cycling being REALLY hard on solder joints, no there is no problem.
And how is 95 degrees magically so bad? To remind you, even 2013 Intel Haswell easily runs around 95-100 degrees when running AVX loads. You could add almost any Intel high end desktop CPU after 2013 on same list.

I assume most motherboards using those Intel CPUs broke down very quickly? Or perhaps same thing that is supposed to be problem on AMD was not problem for Intel for 9 years and counting ;)
if you cannot see a problem at 95 degrees it's YOUR problem. That's insane.
Like I said above, even Over 95 degrees was not problem for Intel for years.

I'd like to hear temperature for CPU that is NOT problem. 90? 85? 80? 75? Why 95 is magically problem even when Intel CPUs and motherboards have not had problems for 9 years or so?
 

Mr Majestyk

Posts: 1,441   +1,344
The trouble for AMD is the 13600K is now getting 4 E-cores and will destroy it for M/T apps and has higher clocks than the 12600K along with increased cache etc. It will probably beat 12700K in most things. AMD will need a v-cache 7600X3D and needs to keep the price close to current levels.

With Intel going to keep increasing e-core counts AMD will fall further behind in marketing as it will fighting processors with much higher core counts. Eg this year'a 13700K is a greatly improved 12900K, but AMD will have to fight it with the 7700X with half the cores. Come Meteor Lake 14700K will most likely have 24 cores and 14900K 32 cores.

Rumours abound AMD is also going hybrid and IMO they will need to with Zen 5 to stay competitive. Zen 5 won't be getting much if any clock speed increases and while a huge architectural change now way 8 cores fights against 24 cores without getting smashed.
 

nnguy2

Posts: 588   +1,305
So breaking promises is fine so long as you change your decision once you've riled up your customer base? Intel doesnt need to be screamed at to support two generations of CPU on one socket. Nvidia doesnt need media hit pieces to fix their buggy GPU drivers.

AMD, OTOH? Seems the community has to be a constant watchdog to get this multimillion dollar company to act appropriately. It's hypocrisy.


Are you really comparing Intel supporting 2 generations on 1 socket vs AMD supporting 4 generations on 1 socket and AMD is the bad guy here? Wow talk about not hearing your argument.
 

PEnnn

Posts: 938   +1,209
And this is the entry CPU for AMD....wait for the reviews of its bigger brothers.

They will make Intel and its shills cry uncle for a loooong time!!
 

AlaskaGuy

Posts: 684   +558
And this is the entry CPU for AMD....wait for the reviews of its bigger brothers.

They will make Intel and its shills cry uncle for a loooong time!!
 

takaozo

Posts: 398   +618
"AMD went on to say that 95C is not running hot, rather Zen 4 will intentionally go to this temperature as much as possible under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it."

I want to see the same 95C under LN2 if this is the "design". Then and only then I will belive AMD words.
In fact I belive the chip die is so small and thermal transfer is not possible from such power per mm^2, that they accepted the issue and worked arround it.
 

Crunch

Posts: 28   +16
Great review.
Also confirms, that I made the right move, when I swapped my 3700X for an 5800X3D on my x370 board three weeks ago. Realized I mostly game on my desktop and all development work is done on work laptop anyways. Will likely upgrade next generation or at the earliest, when the 3D chips come out. By then boards and DDR5 RAM should be priced more sanely.
 

MarcusNumb

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Good job AMD but having 95 degrees on a 6 cores CPU is a nightmare for me. I guess I will need to hunt a good deal for the 5800xd and live with it till the end of its life, or upgrade my monitor to 1440p so that my combo 3600x + 3070ti can be more effective.

Apparently now aircooling is long gone, 360mm AIO will be the "new" minimum and custom cooling will be the standard requirement for new CPU generations. Now I'm curious about what Intel will bring to the party, hopefully not a minimum 170w TDP for a CPU.
 

Irata

Posts: 2,221   +3,857
So breaking promises is fine so long as you change your decision once you've riled up your customer base? Intel doesnt need to be screamed at to support two generations of CPU on one socket. Nvidia doesnt need media hit pieces to fix their buggy GPU drivers.

AMD, OTOH? Seems the community has to be a constant watchdog to get this multimillion dollar company to act appropriately. It's hypocrisy.
Supporting two gen on one socket is imho worthless, particularly if there are no big changes (e.g. new process node) between the two.

AM4 supported Bristol Ridge (2016, GloFo 28nm), Zen (14nm), Zen+ (12nm), Zen 2 and Zen 3 (both 7nm) plus various APU generation up to the 5800X3D released in 2022.

That‘s pretty exceptional and several chipsets could run all of them.
 

Luay

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Jumping from 150W on the Ryzen 5 5600X to 230W on the Ryzen 5 7600X is not progress. This is a refining+overclocking of a last gen product and a bragging chip between competitors at the expense of serving the customer with a safe, long lasting, environmentally sound & quality product.

The PC component market is an open source hardware market, trying to mimic the high-margin, obeyful consumer, locked echo system that Apple has.

Reviewers are also becoming part of the problem, cheering on this extra frame or that extra second gained, without mentioning the drawbacks of such high clocks.

Now you have to buy a $150 cooler and that's just midrange price. All motherboards will need beefier VRM. There are no more budget motherboards with these clocks!

Coolers, MBs, and PSUs are not the only affected parts. These design decisions trickle down the supply chain and screw every single thing in their way, including after sales services and household electricity consumption.

I think PC gaming went from master race, to gullible herd. If this continues, expect interactive streaming subscriptions to be the only viable and intelligent option for gaming.
 

maroon1

Posts: 153   +166
AMD might be competitive in gaming but it will lose against Raptor Lake in mult-threading (specially against budget 13th gen CPU)

Leaks are showing that 13600K is slightly faster than 12700K in multithreading. If it has same price as 12600K/12600KF or 10$ dollar more then intel will be unbeatable in performance per dollar

Non-K i5 will also have cores increase. i5 13400 will be 6P + 4E cores while i5 13500 and i5 13600 will be 6P + 8 E cores..... Imagine if i5 13400F cost less than 200 dollar then that would monster value for anyone doing productivity

Zen4 does not seem to be big threat to Intel.


Aside from low resolution gaming, 7600X does not even beat 12600K and 5800X. So, not much that impressive for something that cost 300 dollar.