AMD Ryzen 5000 launch: "Fastest gaming CPU," higher clocks, higher prices

[lesovers]

Oh, moving the goal post again.


We were talking about 3900x and 9900k. You are now moving towards OC.

SURE! Enjoy getting rekt.


Techpower up:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-amd-3900-xt-vs-intel-10900k/27.html

>>> 10% slower


OC and tweeked RAM

OC and RAM tweaked 3900x is up to 19% slower than a tweaked and overclocked 9900k

https://imgur.com/MAdJMV4

Gamer Nexus, with overclocked cpu and tweaked ram in one case

9900ks review

10900K review

3900xt review

3900x review

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Review & Benchmarks: Premiere, Blender, Gaming, & More

For the AMD R9 3900X CPU review, we're focusing first on production workloads (Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Blender, V-Ray, et al.) and secondarily on gaming. ...

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tweaked i5 spanking 3900x and beating 10900k

3900x is a 9600k competitor, just lol.

Give it up.

Yes but we need to compare apples to apples for a good comparison to the AMD RX6000 series benchmark numbers. What we do know is AMD are using a standard setup with a 5900X CPU and DDR-3200MHz memory and nothing overclocked at all. Therefore the closest Nvidia RTX 3080 review is from Techspot (Hardware Unboxed);

https://www.techspot.com/review/2110-nvidia-rtx-2080-1440p-gaming-bottleneck

Steve from Hardware Unboxed is using a standard setup Core i9-10900K and DDR-3200MHz memory in the review as close as we can get to the AMD setup.

TechPowerUp setup includes an Intel Core i9-9900K @ 5.0 GHz and DDR4 @ 4000MHz memory for their RTX3080 reviews so not comparable to the AMD setup. I'm sure the reviewers will use the best overclocked platform possible in the upcoming AMD RX6000 series vs NVidia RXT 3080 benchmarks.

 

[Dyper]

If you can’t afford both I suppose bashing the most expensive one is financially reasonable.

 

[Arbie]

I'd been looking forward to this announcement for a while but came away feeling a bit underwhelmed. We seem to be (almost) getting Intel gaming performance for (almost) Intel prices. I (almost) feel I should just buy Intel.

So buy Intel. You can get less performance, less performance per watt, fewer features, and worse security - all at a lower price. Such a deal.

Oh - and you'll be supporting a giant corporation that milked us for 10 years, and not supporting their fractional challenger that somehow survived bankruptcy and gave us back innovation and progress. And needs to be ready for Intel's return.

Your choice, certainly.

 

[Arbie]

Doubled in price?? Lol ... Er ... no. It went up $50 from launch price of 3600x - which is a 20% increase -- so you get 20%+ better improvement in performance (19% IPC + 300mhz more clocks), reduced TDP (65 vs 95), best in class gaming performance (to be verified), for 20% more price. I would have preferred the pricing stay the same, but to call that gouging, compared to what Intel has done the past 7 years is a laughable joke.

Please remember that facts - let alone math - aren't his strong point. Give him credit for imagination and perseverance.

 

[Lew Zealand]

So buy Intel. You can get less performance, less performance per watt, fewer features, and worse security - all at a lower price. Such a deal.

Wait. Did you just describe Bulldozer? My, how the tables have turned.

 

[JimboJoneson]

Please remember that facts - let alone math - aren't his strong point. Give him credit for imagination and perseverance.

Oh, there's clearly someone else who deserves the imagination and perseverance award on this thread. You have to read into it a bit more. Get popcorn.

 

[Arbie]

Wait. Did you just describe Bulldozer? My, how the tables have turned.

Yes they have - because AMD bet the farm and did the work.

But some so enjoyed disdaining AMD, for so long - the ancient Bulldozer being their touchstone - that they can't shake the habit. Now, however, they have to make things up; argue insignificant points etc. That generates 95% of the controversy here, because the basic facts are so clear.

 

[nodfor]

So buy Intel. You can get less performance, less performance per watt, fewer features, and worse security - all at a lower price. Such a deal.

Oh - and you'll be supporting a giant corporation that milked us for 10 years, and not supporting their fractional challenger that somehow survived bankruptcy and gave us back innovation and progress. And needs to be ready for Intel's return.

Your choice, certainly.

Bought and i5-750 at 2009 - kept it until 2019 (OCed ofc). One cpu good enough for 10 years, I would call that great value, not milking.

Now all you guys saying "it is just 50$ more", conveniently forget that there is no non X version this time. The 3600 was 200$, now your only 6 core choice this gen is 50% more expensive.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

So not even a mention of next gen MB's. Apart from the price gouging (how very Intel of them) I have zero interest in the X5xx MB's. I guess I'll have to wait until well into next year for prices to come down and pray we get X6xx MB's announced.

 

[JimboJoneson]

So not even a mention of next gen MB's. Apart from the price gouging (how very Intel of them) I have zero interest in the X5xx MB's. I guess I'll have to wait until well into next year for prices to come down and pray we get X6xx MB's announced.

So which important features does X6xx have that X5xx doesn't have? Let me know, maybe I should wait too.

 

[Arbie]

Bought and i5-750 at 2009 - kept it until 2019 (OCed ofc). One cpu good enough for 10 years, I would call that great value, not milking.

Lol - that just proves my point! Intel advanced so slowly, holding the entire industry back, that you didn't need to upgrade! They did little, then less, and finally almost nothing.

I call getting a lousy dual-core in my $1100 XPS 13 laptops being milked. If Intel hadn't used every means, fair and often foul, to monopolize the market and hamstring AMD, I could have twice the performance! Multiply that experience by about a billion, and Intel has a lot to answer for.

Intel will be back, which is good, but in the meantime we desperately need AMD to keep hitting home runs and build up enough mind-share and money to survive that return. Otherwise we'll be back to ten-year stretches of mediocrity. Which may be fine with you, but not with me.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Now all you guys saying "it is just 50$ more", conveniently forget that there is no non X version this time. The 3600 was 200$, now your only 6 core choice this gen is 50% more expensive.

There's no convenient forgetting. And you're totally right that entry level to Zen 3 is 6 core for 50% more than previous-gen's 6-core entry point. AMD has again removed the lower cost options, which they have done before. Based on previous behavior, we'll probably see those parts in 6-9 months' time.

This is the same thing that Nvidia does, releasing the 3080 and 3090 first, trickle down the 3070 a bit later, and good luck to the $200 GPU gamers until well into next year. It's simply good business.

AMD already started this with Zen+ where no new 4-core CPUs were released. And with Zen 2, the 4-core options finally came a year later, 2 total years after their previous 4-core options. AMD is now doing the same with their 6-core options, you can still get a 3600 and for that matter a 3100 for the 4-core value gamers (good luck with the 3300X) if you want something lower price, they are all good CPUs.

But you gotta pay up for the newest stuff and if Intel could actually produce something new to compete, we wouldn't be seeing this happen.

 

[Bamda]

So glad I have yet to purchase anything for my new computer! A new computer for Xmas sounds like a good time.

Oh, one other fun note, all of the new AMD 5000 series CPUs are listed as faster on Cinebench R20 (Single-Core than the Intel Core i9-10900K.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Ironically, you can't understand English either and keep making stuff up. Projecting again your own shortcomings towards others.

I never claimed that people should get mad at AMD.

Again, I was pretty clear, I only described how differently people behave when those 2 companies perform similar actions.

Nvidia didn't nearly double the PRICES, they nearly doubled the price of a single gpu. PRICE. PRICE. SINGULAR.

I was talking about the prices of 2080, 2070, 2060 and lower, because those were increased within that range and people got upset due to that. He refuted me that Nvidia had "NEARLY doubled PRICES" which is a lie.

He literally said that " "Nvidia nearly DOUBLED prices. WTF are you talking about "50-100 increase"

I will quote him again "WTF are you talking about "50-100 increase"

Again, so you get it "WTF are you talking about "50-100 increase"


Tell me, how can one be so wrong for so long?

Again, you were asked to provide some sort of EVIDENCE for your claim that people got mad at Nvidia for its $50-100 increases... you have yet to provide any. People WERE angry at the 2080Ti prices (of course, it didn’t stop them from being bought in bunches) - hence the numerous posters telling you you’re a complete dunce...

Other than your continual harping about how the 3900 isn’t as fast at GAMING than Intel CPUs, do you actually have anything to add to this thread?

By the way... we’re talking about the 5900 now... and we won’t know how it performs until November ....

I suggest you calm yourself down, learn how to write properly, and come back in a month with some educated opinions.

 

[Bamda]

Great CPUs, but pricing is on the expensive side... if to buy a new now (5th Nov), I would calculate performance gain and price differences with Ryzen 3000 series... Hopefully 5000 series prices will also drop later and such question will not arise

If you ever looked at Intel prices in the past these are still better then theirs. So I will have no problem purchasing AMD CPUs. As they say, you pay for what you get.

 

[Bamda]

AMD price gouging hard. The 6 core model has literally doubled in price!

Of course they have the performance advantage. And because of this I imagine I will be buying one of these juicy looking new CPUs to replace my ageing but brilliant 4790k.

Lmao to all the *****s who genuinely believed AMD would keep their low prices once they had the upper hand over Intel. These two companies are just as bad as each other.

You are so FULL OF IT. They raised their prices by $50, go look at Intel CPU prices there you will see true price gouging. For instance that 4790K cost
$339 for a 4 Core CPU, at release which I am certain did not stay at the price for long as Intel CPUs tend to get the vendor tax. AMD will offer you a new 6 Core for $299 6 years later.

 

[Bamda]

I'd been looking forward to this announcement for a while but came away feeling a bit underwhelmed. We seem to be (almost) getting Intel gaming performance for (almost) Intel prices. I (almost) feel I should just buy Intel.

Yea, go do that, that would be smart!

 

[loki1944]

Tables sure have turned.

I figured Zen3 would best Intel at pretty much every task. Seems like it will be true.

Honestly why even go Intel at this point.

Next year Zen 4 will be here with a new socket and will be even faster. While Intel is still struggling to get 10nm desktop chips on the market.

5800X is going to make for one fast gaming Chip.

Sadly for Intel they are pushed so hard out the box there isn't much overclock headroom. Rocket Lake isn't going to get Intel back on top.

Well for the average pc gamer, even the 2008 i7 920 handles modern games fine up to 1440p with up to GTX 1070Ti level GPU. I have a 2600X and i7 920 amongst my fleet; both with 980Tis, and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in modern games games.

 

[Bamda]

Profit Margin. AMD is betting on people being willing to pay for the best, so no need to release the lower end, lower margin processor options until the demand for the higher end stuff tails off. It's just business.

Just like what Nvidia just did, they are only releasing 3 Video cards, all high-end models. It's just business.

 

[Bamda]

Uh oh.
Back in the last generation of Ryzen, only the 3950X, the 16-core chip, didn't come with a fan in the box. This time, not just the 5950X, but the 5900X and the 5800X - the 12 and 8 core parts - don't come with stock cooling.
I didn't notice that when I watched the announcement.

Most people will never use the fan that comes with those CPUs, plus AMD makes a bit more profit. The 5600X is made for those that are cost-sensitive that cannot afford the higher-end CPUs.

 

[Khanonate]

AMD price gouging hard. The 6 core model has literally doubled in price!

Of course they have the performance advantage. And because of this I imagine I will be buying one of these juicy looking new CPUs to replace my ageing but brilliant 4790k.

Lmao to all the *****s who genuinely believed AMD would keep their low prices once they had the upper hand over Intel. These two companies are just as bad as each other.

I'll buy your 4790k

 

[Shake]

These prices are too high - An i7 - 10700 seems like a better budget choice for a gaming PC with decent multi threaded performance than anything offered by AMD in the next gen.

AMD is increasing prices while lowering costs by removing CPU coolers. Not cool.

Intel doesn't offer coolers either now. And the 5600x does come with one

 

[Bamda]

These prices are too high - An i7 - 10700 seems like a better budget choice for a gaming PC with decent multi threaded performance than anything offered by AMD in the next gen.

AMD is increasing prices while lowering costs by removing CPU coolers. Not cool.

Please, stop your projections.

Techpower up review is showing 10% difference in performance too.

Since 3900x can't beat 8700k and is consistently trailing 3700x and often behind 9600k, it is not even close to 9900k.

Again, I said AMD showed benches where 3900x matches 9900k whilst in fact, they are slower than 8700k and often behind 9600k.

I know, in the amd world, behind 10% on aggregate and experiencing plenty of games where the performance difference is 20 or even 25% is "close".

Your numbers are a bit off, here is a true review of all the CPUs in the last few years, and AMD looks much closer then you claim. And as you are only looking at gaming, then I am not sure why you are even here as you are clearly not a fan of AMD CPUs. BTW AMD CPUs are generally much better than Intel at almost everything else.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Review

The flagship of AMD's new Ryzen 3000 lineup is the Ryzen 9 3900X, which is a 12-core, 24-thread monster. Never before have we seen such power on a desktop platform. Priced at $500, this processor is very strong competition for Intel's Core i9-9900, which only has eight cores.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Bamda]

Only the 6 core AMD has a cooler.
Also Intel doesn't charge more compared to this new gen, an i7-10700f is 8 core but the price is close to the 6 core 5600x

An 10850k is 10 core but around the price of 8 core 5800x.

Intel will actually be cheaper per core so unless you need more than 10 cores or pci4.0, Intel seems like a better choice.

Like I said, very disappointing from AMD to raise prices the instant they claim they have a better product stack.

Until the benchmarks come out on these new AMD CPUs you are making a false claim.

 

[treetops]

Gears 4k Ultra Settings DX12. If someone can find a comparison to the other 2 games shown with the same settings that would be nice. Looking good so far. It appears AMD is using the built in Benchmarks. Since all 3 of these games have it. Reviewer ram of course varies. Still nice to have some kind of comparison.

Gears 5 4k Ultra DX12:
Big Navi AMD 73 FPS 4950X
TechSpot 72 FPS 3080 3950X
Guru3d 76 FPS 3080 9900k
EuroGamer 81 FPS 3080 (used in game Bench) 10900k
OC3D 3080 FE 75 FPS (more 3080s in the link)
Hexus 77 FPS 3080 FE (more 3080s in the link, they are pretty sure they used the same settings as AMD)

Borderlands 3 Badass 4k DX12:
AMD Big Navi AMD 61 FPS 4950X
Eurogamer 60.9 fps average on borderlands 3 4k bad *** setting DX12
Hexus Borderlands 3 3080 MSI X Trio 62 FPS (they are pretty sure they used the same settings as AMD)

Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 4k Ultra DX12:
AMD Big Navi AMD 88 FPS 4950X

Made a little comparison article. More info and pretty pictures in the link.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/amd-videocardz-big-navi-matches-the-3080.1773851/