AMD Ryzen 7 2700X & Ryzen 5 2600X Review: Zen+ Is Here

[FreeBetaTester]

See there is no bundle discount for R3 1200. Straight up $70.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/...M4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Stealth_Cooler

 

[fadingfool]

Have you ever even *heard* of MicoCenter before?

Did you see my receipt? The proof is in the pudding. Discounts are being provided to make up from AMD's overpriced MSRP.

You must be right as Amazon are offering 7 whole pounds Stirling off the MSRP of the 2700X....... £7 overpriced - damn you AMD........


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[ACE76]

Underwhelming IMO, still slower than a stock 7700k in games too.

Laaaaame

Underwhelming review...wait for other sites that will easily be able to clock the AMD CPUs properly...4.1ghz?? That's suspect.

 

[GreenNova343]

There is a 40$ discount on that one. Lol, nice try though.

Once again you prove how do not know how to read. The so called advertising "save $40" might as well be "save 40 million", and it wouldn't matter one lick to no one. Thank for proving just how desperately you are grasping at straws.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...4294966995+4294964566+4294830192&myStore=true

If a $40 discount on a CPU means it was "overpriced", what would be the term you use for $80 to $200 discounts on a Coffee Lake CPU by itself?

 

[Charles Olson]

Great review! Now I only need to wait for B450s?

By the way, what is this Monte Carlo simulation in excel? Does it simulate a workload with a crap ton of numbers on it? I would love to try the same test on my locked i5 (which I'd be replacing soon ) and see how it fairs in comparison as we often work on huge excel files.

Read this and I hope it helps !

https://support.office.com/en-us/ar...fa8-bbd3-4450d8db16f1?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US

 

[Charles Olson]

Underwhelming review...wait for other sites that will easily be able to clock the AMD CPUs properly...4.1ghz?? That's suspect.

I believe he never did it on purpose ' That's suspect " as there are many variables that could change the overclock you get ! Such as ambient temperatures and the silicon lottery as mentioned previously or even maybe a bad motherboard or even just one setting could change the max over clock!

 

[Vulcanproject]

Even if I don't buy a Ryzen CPU and I probably won't as I'm a gamer, it should make Intel think about a response. It gives them food for thought.

The first solid sounding response is that they are working on 8 core models for a mainstream platform, possibly out this year. This is almost certainly true. The second is the rumour that they will no longer disable hyper threading on most future i5 models. Seems there is a good chance in order to compete in that mid range space they can't get away with it much longer. 2600X here showing why against the 8600K. This also sounds very likely.

The third and ultimate thing I want to see from Intel (and least likely) is unlocking the whole range for overclocking again. But if AMD continue to push this hard, there is a chance it might return....

 

[GreenNova343]

Underwhelming IMO, still slower than a stock 7700k in games too.

Laaaaame

Underwhelming review...wait for other sites that will easily be able to clock the AMD CPUs properly...4.1ghz?? That's suspect.

4.1GHz may not seem like a lot...except when you consider a) that was the speed on all cores (the XFR clocks & the Precision Boost for 3+ cores haven't been released yet, but the Precision Boost with only 1 or 2 cores is only a hair faster than that), & b) that's the overclock with the stock cooler (at least on the R5), that's something that you don't see (& especially not from Intel...since their unlocked CPUs don't come with stock coolers).

 

[SantistaUSA]

What I don't understand is why there are people so eager to pay full price on AMD products that are clearly overpriced and will clearly get price reduction almost immediately, if not in 3 months time tops. What is the sin in saving money and advocating for lower prices?

You are clearly clueless how retail works or you are just getting a kick out of getting everyone to reply to your nonsense messages.

Last year I bought the i7-7700k directly from Intel (retailedge program) for $199! Does that mean that the price it is sold at stores usually around $299 means it is overpriced? Companies are in business to make money/profit, they can't survive if they sell at or below cost.

What you have to look at, is the value, can you get a better deal when the product is released? Usually you can get last gen products for less then go for that, but saying that it is overpriced just because it got cheaper a year later is just dumb. Virtually everything gets cheaper with time with a few exceptions.

Video cards now are extremely overpriced due to demand, I bought a GTX 1060 6GB for $220 back in 2016, today the same video card is over $400!!! In this case you could definitely say it is overpriced but supply and demand dictates the price.

 

[AleXopf]

"The R7 2700X's Wraith Prism cooler struggles during heavy OCs"
REALLY?? That's a con? It's by far the best bundled cooler. Intel doesn't bundle one or the bundled is complete crap.
Wraith Prism should be on the pro side of conclusions.

 

[CheekyP]

"The R7 2700X's Wraith Prism cooler struggles during heavy OCs"
REALLY?? That's a con? It's by far the best bundled cooler. Intel doesn't bundle one or the bundled is complete crap.
Wraith Prism should be on the pro side of conclusions.

Yeah the Prism is actually the best 'stock' HSF ever supplied by AMD or Intel. It struggles because the 2700X has very high power consumption especially when overclocked. I think AIOs or at least a very beefy HSF are in order for most people who want 4.2GHz, otherwise the Prism is good for around ~4GHz from what I've seen so far.

 

[wiyosaya]

For gaming, anyway, this is not the Intel killer everyone is hoping for, but it is a step in the right direction and seems competitive, IMO. The competition is great for the market. Maybe Intel will no longer be able to fleece its customers.

 

[CheekyP]

For gaming, anyway, this is not the Intel killer everyone is hoping for, but it is a step in the right direction and seems competitive, IMO. The competition is great for the market. Maybe Intel will no longer be able to fleece its customers.

Whoever thought this would be an Intel killer for gaming was clearly misguided. It would take a new architecture, with significantly improved IPC, clockspeeds and lower memory latencies for AMD to beat Intel at gaming. Its one thing to close the gap from being 20% behind to only 10% behind, but to actually beat Intel at gaming? That's like expecting AMD to beat nVidia with Vega - it was never gonna happen.

For just a die shrink and some minor IPC improvements, the gains in certain games are actually quite impressive, it appears the reduced cache/memory latencies are certainly helping.

 

[Sausagemeat]

Still worse at gaming than Intel and still cant overclock, a bit disappointing to be honest. Actually, very disappointed when you look at prices here in the UK. A 1700 is £100 cheaper than a 2700. Is that tiny increase really worth £100? Considering you might get 100mhz more out of it at best.

Gotta say it but that cooler is junk. Its slightly better than the junk Intel ships with its lower end parts. But would prefer to see a lower price and no cooler bundled. Then again these chips are hardly for overclockers.

 

[Evernessince]

Underwhelming IMO, still slower than a stock 7700k in games too.

Laaaaame

Yeah, IF you play the poorly optimized assasin's creed or far cry 5. Remove those from the benchmark and the 2700X is faster.

 

[Evernessince]

The 2700x at $330 is what AMD should had debuted last year for Ryzen. This show just how gallingly overpriced AMD was with their pricing. And having lost credibility there, and being a year late and many dollars short, $330 for 2700x is too high in today's market. They need to drop that by $50 at least.

lol wut? You do realize that AMD priced it's processors like that because comparable Intel 8 core CPUs at the time were $800 right? It's easy to cast stones at the past without context I guess.

Still worse at gaming than Intel and still cant overclock, a bit disappointing to be honest. Actually, very disappointed when you look at prices here in the UK. A 1700 is £100 cheaper than a 2700. Is that tiny increase really worth £100? Considering you might get 100mhz more out of it at best.

Gotta say it but that cooler is junk. Its slightly better than the junk Intel ships with its lower end parts. But would prefer to see a lower price and no cooler bundled. Then again these chips are hardly for overclockers.

Yes the cooler is junk yet it's somehow cooling a 105w part. It's like you don't even take into consideration the TDP of a product before casting judgement on a product. Then again, you do shitpost on every AMD article regardless.

 

[Ira Wechsler]

Your review was run in a lazy and slipshod manner. Since Precision Boost 2 is heavily dependent on cpu cooling you should have used the same H110 on the Ryzen 1700X as you did on the Intel chip. If you had you would have achieved stability at a lower voltage for 4.2 GHZ and possibly attained 4.25 or 4.3 GHZ. You can't compare apples to oranges there is no reason to use different cooling or different memory as some reviewers do. I call it like I see it whether your my best friend or worst enemy. Science is the name of the game not slackery.

 

[FreeBetaTester]

lol wut? You do realize that AMD priced it's processors like that because comparable Intel 8 core CPUs at the time were $800 right? It's easy to cast stones at the past without context I guess....

Did you realize not everyone wants to drink AMD's marketing Koolaid? AMD might as well be comparing against a pentium pro that went for $1500 in 1996. They so stacked that deck to make themselves look good. The real on the street situation is that the 1800x had to compete directly against a 7700K at the $300 price point. Why do you think the 2700x is priced right in that ballpark. AMD had to face the market reality.

Whoever thought this would be an Intel killer for gaming was clearly misguided.....

No they are not misguided. This was the marketing story put out by AMD. AMD starting from its initial release of Ryzen got all the gamers excited only to underdeliver and underwhelm. It is a bait-and-switch and cop out to say "oh it's compute".

Bottom line, it is not up to AMD to decide what their products and prices has to compete with. It is the buyers and market that decide and have decided. The pricing trends are just a trailing indicator for that.

 

[hahahanoobs]

Interesting. Three different TDP's. 65w, 95w, 105w.
Is AMD saving the 120w 2800X for a rainy day?

 

[FreeBetaTester]

http://www.microcenter.com/search/s...4294966995+4294964566+4294830192&myStore=true

.... $80 to $200 discounts on a Coffee Lake CPU by itself?

Who ever believe nonsensical advertising numbers like that are being way to gullible, they might as well say 1 million dollars like austin powers. It does NOT change the fact that MSRP AMD stated for Ryzen at releasefor the likes of the 1800x is $500. And reality was that it was quickly forced by the market to price at $350, and now goes for $260 with a $30 mobo discount, making it effectively $230.

Intel as overpriced as they are only ever set the 8700K MSRP at $360, see:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3065-final-coffee-lake-specs-8700k-8600k-8350k

And it has fit the market quite well actually going for $300 with an additional $30 mobo discount. The 7700K which is terrible value now since the 8700k is available, from even further back had a MSRP of $330, and still goes for $280 with addition $50 mobo discount.

This is all very easy for everyone to see, and see that AMD had massively overpriced Ryzen at release. And they are correcting for that mistake now with the 2700x at $330, but even then that is still too high. People would get more value just overclocking the 1800x they can get now for essential $230.

 

[FreeBetaTester]

Interesting. Three different TDP's. 65w, 95w, 105w.
Is AMD saving the 120w 2800X for a rainy day?

TDP of 95W and 105W are too hot already. Why would anyone want 120W? I though the whole point of ryzen was lower TDP, more effieciency, no?

 

[Flebbert]

Have you ever even *heard* of MicoCenter before?

Did you see my receipt? The proof is in the pudding. Discounts are being provided to make up from AMD's overpriced MSRP.

I don't think you understand how the value of items work, I paid 10K for my bike 6 years ago but can get it today for 6K, are you saying that things get cheaper over time? and people give specials to create incentive for people to buy?

My world has been blown!!!!

 

[FreeBetaTester]

I don't think you understand how the value of items work, I paid 10K for my bike 6 years ago but can get it today for 6K, are you saying that things get cheaper over time? and people give specials to create incentive for people to buy?

My world has been blown!!!!

Losing 4K after 6 years or 40% over 4 years is heck of a lot better than losing 50% in less than 9 months. If you can not make the distinction, then maybe your mind have been blown, and world just moved on without you.

Actually I do not think you understand how money and value works. Stuff that is actually of value increase in price over time. Good stocks, good real estate, good investments, they increase in value over time. Even simple saving with compounded interest, increases the money your save over time.

For consumables, like CPUs, bikes, cars, etc., the goal to reduce the loss ratio as much as possible. Overpaying upfront for consumables, is the surest way for you to lose money.

BTW I am saying AMD should have the incentives built into their pricing to start with, and not what they had done with pricing the 1800x at $500, or even now the 2700x at $330.

 

[Flebbert]

I think this is what everyone was expecting, outside of not being able to run all cores at 4.3....... that is a little disappointing and think I would have looked at going to a 2700X to replace my 1600X if I could do 4.3-4.4 on all cores

 

[Flebbert]

I don't think you understand how the value of items work, I paid 10K for my bike 6 years ago but can get it today for 6K, are you saying that things get cheaper over time? and people give specials to create incentive for people to buy?

My world has been blown!!!!

Losing 4K after 6 years or 40% over 4 years is heck of a lot better than losing 50% in less than 9 months. If you can not make the distinction, then maybe your mind have been blown, and world just moved on without you.

I think you missed the point, the market it fluid and the value of products is set by a huge number of things such as demand, competition and even the US dollar compared to other markets.

Based on your logic AMD and NVIDIA were selling their GPU's at a massive discounted rate as 12 months ago I could get a 1060 for $350 but now they are $750..... I don't know why no body told them they were loosing money.