AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS Review: Mobile Ryzen goes full throttle

Evernessince

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This is great and everything and for those happy to lug around a heavy laptop it’s a fantastic CPU.

But let’s face it, unless you have a specific need for Windows, iOS knocks the spots off windows for mobile computing. Ever tried to prop a laptop on a plane tray table? Or play a game without being plugged in on a laptop? iPads are the way forward. They can actually video edit too unlike most windows ultra-books!

"With promise of class-leading CPU chutzpah and solid gaming credentials, touted as the world's fastest in this form factor "

This chip is being used in thinner form factors than you think. AMD's low power 35w chip is going against Intel's higher performance variants that come in thicker designs and winning, all the while consuming less power. In fact in day to day tasks it's winning by more than 30% in battery life.

No need to plug into the wall either

"We've also recently moved on to using PCMark 10's baked-in tests. The first two instances are as impressive as the multi-thread performance; getting over 11 hours on each on a high-performance laptop is simply excellent. "
 

hahahanoobs

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This is not the whole lineup, but I guess these numbers are a decent reference.
Yea that's the laptop going around to reviewers.

Is this normal for a laptop?
"While playing Control, I found that the keys around ASDF got quite hot and were sometimes uncomfortable."
 

AS692313

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Yea that's the laptop going around to reviewers.

Is this normal for a laptop?
"While playing Control, I found that the keys around ASDF got quite hot and were sometimes uncomfortable."
its pretty normal, I had a tiny notebook running a celeron and it got hot around that area during web browsing
 

JimboJoneson

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This is great and everything and for those happy to lug around a heavy laptop it’s a fantastic CPU.

But let’s face it, unless you have a specific need for Windows, iOS knocks the spots off windows for mobile computing. Ever tried to prop a laptop on a plane tray table? Or play a game without being plugged in on a laptop? iPads are the way forward. They can actually video edit too unlike most windows ultra-books!
I'd like to see the benchmarks and a review of an iPad vs this for video editing. ;) Or a Macbook Pro vs this for that matter if we want more "apples" to apples. ;) - I'm fairly certain this would greatly shame any macbook pro in all rounded performance.
 
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Ever tried to prop a laptop on a plane tray table?
Yup. Did it two weeks ago. No issues with a 13" thin laptop. Now it's wasn't much for gaming, but this was more for having the shows I wanted on a 5 hr plane ride.

This seems to be much more capable and in a similar form factor. This isn't some 2 inch thick, 5 lb behemoth. It's less than 1 inch thick and weighs 3.5 lbs. At $1500, it might be something to consider.
 
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I'd like to see the benchmarks and a review of an iPad vs this for video editing. ;) Or a Macbook Pro vs this for that matter if we want more "apples" to apples. ;) - I'm fairly certain this would greatly shame any macbook pro in all rounded performance.
It shames both windows and MacBook! Apple is designing the most exciting silicon by a long way at the moment, far more interesting than anything Intel or AMD are producing.
In this test the reviewer transcoded a video on the iPad Pro in mins. The same thing took 31 mins on a dell xps13 with an i7 in it, 25 mins on a MacBook Pro. And it probably did it on battery, at least it could. There is no difference when you pull the plug on an iOS device. Whereas most windows laptops will underclock themselves quite savagely.


I would suggest looking on YouTube too, lots of editors have made videos (funnily enough) about how good the iPad is at video editing.
 

AS692313

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It shames both windows and MacBook! Apple is designing the most exciting silicon by a long way at the moment, far more interesting than anything Intel or AMD are producing.
In this test the reviewer transcoded a video on the iPad Pro in mins. The same thing took 31 mins on a dell xps13 with an i7 in it, 25 mins on a MacBook Pro. And it probably did it on battery, at least it could. There is no difference when you pull the plug on an iOS device. Whereas most windows laptops will underclock themselves quite savagely.


I would suggest looking on YouTube too, lots of editors have made videos (funnily enough) about how good the iPad is at video editing.
Apple doesn't design the silicon, they get it from amd or intel. I'm going to guess that that was the i9 equipped macbook 16 inch, so the comparison really can't be made, also, the macbook comes with a dedicated graphics card, not integrated graphics. A better comparison would be made with the MSI P65 Creator 654, which at the same price as the macbook comes with an rtx 2070 which destroys the 5500m that comes with that macbook.
If anything, macbooks are overpriced paperweights compared to what other manufacturers can offer
 
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Apple doesn't design the silicon, they get it from amd or intel. I'm going to guess that that was the i9 equipped macbook 16 inch, so the comparison really can't be made, also, the macbook comes with a dedicated graphics card, not integrated graphics. A better comparison would be made with the MSI P65 Creator 654, which at the same price as the macbook comes with an rtx 2070 which destroys the 5500m that comes with that macbook
You are incorrect, the A series chips for iOS devices are definitely designed by Apple and made by TSMC I believe. Intel or AMD have nothing to do with it.


looking at the benchmarks I’m not sure how good the MSI laptop you mention is. But it would need to be more 4 x faster than a Dell XPS just to match the ipad. If that 2070 can be used effectively to accelerate then it might. I guess we haven’t seen the testing. One thing is for sure, an iPad ismore portable than a laptop with a 2070 in it.
 
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AS692313

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You are incorrect, the A series chips for iOS devices are definitely designed by Apple and made by TSMC I believe. Intel or AMD have nothing to do with it.


looking at the benchmarks I’m not sure how good the MSI laptop you mention is. But it would need to be more 4 x faster than a Dell XPS just to match the ipad. If that 2070 can be used effectively to accelerate then it might. I guess we haven’t seen the testing. One thing is for sure, an iPad ismore portable than a laptop with a 2070 in it.
The weight, according to both of the manufacturers websites is this:
MacBook: 4.3 Lbs
MSI Creator P65: 4.19 Lbs
Also, the P65 is cheaper than the macbook by about $300
When I was talking about the processors, I was talking about the laptop/desktop processors used in their macbooks, not their IOS devices, the macbooks use intel processors (although with recent advancements that could change)
 

Shadowboxer

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The weight, according to both of the manufacturers websites is this:
MacBook: 4.3 Lbs
MSI Creator P65: 4.19 Lbs
Also, the P65 is cheaper than the macbook by about $300
When I was talking about the processors, I was talking about the laptop/desktop processors used in their macbooks, not their IOS devices, the macbooks use intel processors (although with recent advancements that could change)
Well comparing Mac and PC is more than just hardware specs and weight. Most people will buy macs just because of the software - for video editors Final Cut Pro. Generally speaking I would say MacBooks are better for content creators but it’s not that straightforward.

I do believe Apple have some pretty firm plans to step away from Intel and AMD for Mac. When they do I think we will see Macs jump ahead in performance. When Apple started designing their own mobile silicon their phones and tablets started to leave the competition behind. Today, an iPhone 11 for $650 will master a 4K video around twice as fast as a Samsung S20 ultra with 16Gb of RAM which costs what, $1400.
 

AS692313

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It shames both windows and MacBook! Apple is designing the most exciting silicon by a long way at the moment, far more interesting than anything Intel or AMD are producing.
In this test the reviewer transcoded a video on the iPad Pro in mins. The same thing took 31 mins on a dell xps13 with an i7 in it, 25 mins on a MacBook Pro. And it probably did it on battery, at least it could. There is no difference when you pull the plug on an iOS device. Whereas most windows laptops will underclock themselves quite savagely.


I would suggest looking on YouTube too, lots of editors have made videos (funnily enough) about how good the iPad is at video editing.
Also that macdailynews article you read was flawed everywhere, they took laptops with specs not even close to what they could be maxed out with just to make the apple tech look better, they used a surface pro 6 equipped with an i5 even though it has an option for an i7 and using the xps 13 rather than the 15 that comes with an i7. That entire site is geared towards gullible people
 

Shadowboxer

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Also that macdailynews article you read was flawed everywhere, they took laptops with specs not even close to what they could be maxed out with just to make the apple tech look better, they used a surface pro 6 equipped with an i5 even though it has an option for an i7 and using the xps 13 rather than the 15 that comes with an i7. That entire site is geared towards gullible people
Yes it’s not the fairest result, it’s easy to criticise the test but that doesn’t change the fact that iPads are very quick. There are several YouTube videos made by creators that show the ipad humiliating even brand new top end machines with an i7 at video editing - master and encore times and doing so without needing to be plugged in and needing any fans to cool it down. It would be ignorant to suggest that iPads aren’t ahead of windows in this area. Software wise they lack but it’s only a matter of time, in the last two years loads of video editing tools have launched for the iPad, with many content creators demonstrating that they can do what they used to do on a Mac or a laptop but on an iPad.

 

AS692313

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Well comparing Mac and PC is more than just hardware specs and weight. Most people will buy macs just because of the software - for video editors Final Cut Pro. Generally speaking I would say MacBooks are better for content creators but it’s not that straightforward.

I do believe Apple have some pretty firm plans to step away from Intel and AMD for Mac. When they do I think we will see Macs jump ahead in performance. When Apple started designing their own mobile silicon their phones and tablets started to leave the competition behind. Today, an iPhone 11 for $650 will master a 4K video around twice as fast as a Samsung S20 ultra with 16Gb of RAM which costs what, $1400.
And you're doing that an an iphone why? If you're a serious content creator or video editor you wont use a laptop, you'll use a full fledged desktop with up to 64 cores and over 100 gb of ram and dual rtx titans to that you can do anything in seconds.
And just to give an example of why desktops win: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xdTTNq
no macbook will beat what you can get for the same price, not as long as you are paying for apple branding

And just take note that that is an itx system, so its compact and can be moved with relative ease
 

Shadowboxer

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And you're doing that an an iphone why? If you're a serious content creator or video editor you wont use a laptop, you'll use a full fledged desktop with up to 64 cores and over 100 gb of ram and dual rtx titans to that you can do anything in seconds.
And just to give an example of why desktops win: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xdTTNq
no macbook will beat what you can get for the same price, not as long as you are paying for apple branding
I’m a bit confused, we are talking about mobile video editing platforms here. Sure a desktop does win. But you can’t travel with a desktop. It’s not a portable solution. I used to be a scuba diving instructor and a some of the divers I would take out were filming. They all had MacBooks or laptops generally. Not one had a workstation that they lug around. Who would? Also when I used to work in live sound production the video guys always used laptops when filming on tour.

Although with the way iOS devices are going it wouldn’t surprise me if they overtake desktops too. An iPad Pro already encodes faster than a 4core8thread CPU.
 

AS692313

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The point is that the price you're paying for macbooks isn't worth it, especially when you can use a desktop pc. I'm also pretty sure that there is some way that you could take a low specced laptop out into the field and remotely use your desktop to get the footage you need
 

Shadowboxer

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The point is that the price you're paying for macbooks isn't worth it, especially when you can use a desktop pc. I'm also pretty sure that there is some way that you could take a low specced laptop out into the field and remotely use your desktop to get the footage you need
I don’t think you understand the industry. There are several pro-tubers who have done videos showing that they use a MacBook to edit, even if they could use a PC or a Mac Pro. Your comment earlier that serious video editors only use massive workstations with 64 cores etc is hilarious. It’s not true at all, many pro editors do it on much less than that. In fact only a very small niche of cash rich editors will be using these high end workstation solutions.

But here we are talking about mobile solutions. There are a lot of times when you need to edit video away from your workstation and my point was that iPads are ovetaking laptops..

Personally I prefer editing on a MacBook than a windows Laptop but only because of the software. The machines themselves aren’t that much different. And yes the MacBooks are more expensive, however when comparing to equivalent windows machines it’s not that much more. ipads however are far cheaper than both.
 

AS692313

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I don’t think you understand the industry. There are several pro-tubers who have done videos showing that they use a MacBook to edit, even if they could use a PC or a Mac Pro. Your comment earlier that serious video editors only use massive workstations with 64 cores etc is hilarious. It’s not true at all, many pro editors do it on much less than that. In fact only a very small niche of cash rich editors will be using these high end workstation solutions.

But here we are talking about mobile solutions. There are a lot of times when you need to edit video away from your workstation and my point was that iPads are ovetaking laptops..

Personally I prefer editing on a MacBook than a windows Laptop but only because of the software. The machines themselves aren’t that much different. And yes the MacBooks are more expensive, however when comparing to equivalent windows machines it’s not that much more. ipads however are far cheaper than both.
I just dont see the point in spending 30+ minutes editing videos in the field when you could easily just get all of the footage and edit it at home in seconds, sure portability means you can take it places, but it comes at the cost of performance - by a lot
 

Shadowboxer

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I just dont see the point in spending 30+ minutes editing videos in the field when you could easily just get all of the footage and edit it at home in seconds, sure portability means you can take it places, but it comes at the cost of performance - by a lot
Because a lot of users can’t just easily go home and edit it. Some of the locations I’ve been diving at take several days to get to. Or when I was working in live sound production they move to a different venue most days, some did have a flight case with a Mac Pro in it but most just had MacBook Pro’s.

Of course my original point that you seem to be arguing with me about for some reason. Is that iPads are very powerful for this, to the point where unless you have a very expensive and modern workstation then you aren’t sacrificing performance.

But really the iPad shines to someone who is currently using a laptop, it’s a lot faster than a laptop at video editing and it’s more portable and cheaper than a laptop too.