AMD Ryzen CPUs continue to crush Intel processors on Amazon best-seller list

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Apple and ARM?

Both use ARM big.LITTLE. Main difference between big.LITTLE, AMD c-cores (whatever that architecture is named, heterogenous? HSA?) and Intel Hybrid is that Intel Hybrid combines two different CPU architectures that don't support same instruction sets. That is probably stupidest design choice ever seen on any CPU so far. No wonder Intel decided to disable instructions on P-core to mitigate that. In other words, Intel CPU designers either were braindead morons or whole Hybrid thing was pure panic solution. Pick your poison.

 

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Intel is only company that has gone hybrid. Other companies put bih and smaller cores. Intel is only company stupid enough to combine consumer CPUs with different instruction set on same package.
Thread director is main reason for VM problems. And btw that is Hardware solution that exists on chip.

AMD solution has been available for long ttime. Unlike Intel, CPUs have exactly same instuction set support and identical architecture from software's POV.

Again, Intels hybrid is to combine two different ISA cores and then disabling some that are not supported on both CPUs. Intel is only one with stupid solution like that. Also including hardware "scheduler" on chip that works like trash is simply funny.

Intel is ahead on some single core benchmarks but only because software used is very old. See, AMD Zen5 can handle AVX512 without major problems and therefore AMD is miles faster on single thread software. https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-zen5-avx-512-9950x

No Intel because no AVX512 support.

Intel has already admitted Raptor Lake durability problems. Even with stick settings.

Windows 11 is more optimized for multi core than hybrid. Again, it rarely makes sense to optimize hybrid instead multi core.

Like already described, using VM with hybrid is simply pain unless admin rights or similar are granted. On work enviroment rarely. E-cores are simply panic solution and disaster on every front
Again Intel is only company going hybrid, tells more than enough?

you keep saying consumer cpus but then say I cant run all my vms how I want blah blah... intel sells xeon processors that would fit your task much better. as for a regular desktop user and gamer the big core little core works just fine... you are an oddball top 5% er that is trying to do heavy VM stuff on a desktop cpu.

9700x is slower than the 265k and costs 100$ more as well. and its not just benchmarks

 

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you keep saying consumer cpus but then say I cant run all my vms how I want blah blah... intel sells xeon processors that would fit your task much better. as for a regular desktop user and gamer the big core little core works just fine... you are an oddball top 5% er that is trying to do heavy VM stuff on a desktop cpu.

Why should I or anyone using VMs on work should invest on Xeon when Ryzen does job just fine? VM usage was just one example where Hybrid works like trash. For some reason Intel implemented Legacy Game Compatibility Mode, using that you can disable E-cores pressing scroll lock. If hybrid works just fine for home users, why offer that kind of "solution" Perhaps because solutions like Denuvo copy protection didn't work when E-cores were active.

This post is written inside virtual machine FYI.

 

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Why should I or anyone using VMs on work should invest on Xeon when Ryzen does job just fine? VM usage was just one example where Hybrid works like trash. For some reason Intel implemented Legacy Game Compatibility Mode, using that you can disable E-cores pressing scroll lock. If hybrid works just fine for home users, why offer that kind of "solution" Perhaps because solutions like Denuvo copy protection didn't work when E-cores were active.

This post is written inside virtual machine FYI.

invest? u can get a used xeon thats has 48 threads for under 120$ or an epyc for that matter

 

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invest? u can get a used xeon thats has 48 threads for under 200$ or an epyc for that matter

1. used, not new 2. motherboards usually are very expensive and/or have limited expansion capacity 3. usually requires expensive memory too 4. server CPUs rarely have both at least 16 cores AND high turbo clock speed. AMD Epycs for AM5 is rare exception.

Because server CPUs usually have high core count combined with low clocks, they are actually pretty slow for local VM usage when doing something else too.

 

[bandit8623]

1. used, not new 2. motherboards usually are very expensive and/or have limited expansion capacity 3. usually requires expensive memory too 4. server CPUs rarely have both at least 16 cores AND high turbo clock speed. AMD Epycs for AM5 is rare exception.

Because server CPUs usually have high core count combined with low clocks, they are actually pretty slow for local VM usage when doing something else too.

90% of these points are incorrect only one that you are correct on are turbos being lower and lower clock speeds.. but they make server cpus with lower core counts and higher boost speeds. you are just here to complain about intel e cores it seems.

used server boards are cheaper than new desktop boards.... look at supermicro. also then you get bmc for remote management.

Its fine intel wont work for you, but again you are probably a 5% usage case. 95% of all other users intel p and e work fine.

Im going to say I bet before10 years passes amd will also drop SMT.

also this seems more like a hypervisor issue to me. what are you using for hypervisor?

 

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90% of these points are incorrect only one that you are correct on are turbos being lower and lower clock speeds.. but they make server cpus with lower core counts and higher boost speeds. you are just here to complain about intel e cores it seems.

Intel® Xeon® 6 processors Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® 6 processors product listing with links to detailed product features and specifications.

www.intel.com

Sorted by max turbo frequency, over 5 GHz models have cores: 6, 8, 8, 8, 6, 4, 4. Yes, you are right. LOWER core counts and higher boost speeds. Too bad, I want more than 8 cores for virtual machines. 8 cores were "OK" like when first Ryzen came out but now it's 2025 already.

Now Intel Xeon with over 5 GHz max turbo and at least 16 cores. Probably does not exist?

Like already said, AMD has Xeons for AM5 socket but they are pretty much identical vs regular Ryzens on home use and more expensive. Your "use server CPUs for VM" argument is pretty much proven invalid.

used server boards are cheaper than new desktop boards.... look at supermicro. also then you get bmc for remote management.

Its fine intel wont work for you, but again you are probably a 5% usage case. 95% of all other users intel p and e work fine.

Im going to say I bet before10 years passes amd will also drop SMT

They are used and they also have worse connectivity. I don't need memory management for local use.

Looking how badly Intel Hybrid CPUs do on work environments, percentage is much higher than 5%. Even if Intel Hybrid is "fine", AMD is still much better. Heck, many users say Switch 2 crap display is "just fine"

That happens to be seen. Intel dropped it because Intel had to lower power consumption some way. Also AMD SMT implementation is better than Intel.

 

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Intel® Xeon® 6 processors Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® 6 processors product listing with links to detailed product features and specifications.

www.intel.com

Sorted by max turbo frequency, over 5 GHz models have cores: 6, 8, 8, 8, 6, 4, 4. Yes, you are right. LOWER core counts and higher boost speeds. Too bad, I want more than 8 cores for virtual machines. 8 cores were "OK" like when first Ryzen came out but now it's 2025 already.

Now Intel Xeon with over 5 GHz max turbo and at least 16 cores. Probably does not exist?

Like already said, AMD has Xeons for AM5 socket but they are pretty much identical vs regular Ryzens on home use and more expensive. Your "use server CPUs for VM" argument is pretty much proven invalid.

They are used and they also have worse connectivity. I don't need memory management for local use.

Looking how badly Intel Hybrid CPUs do on work environments, percentage is much higher than 5%. Even if Intel Hybrid is "fine", AMD is still much better. Heck, many users say Switch 2 crap display is "just fine"

That happens to be seen. Intel dropped it because Intel had to lower power consumption some way. Also AMD SMT implementation is better than Intel.

smt implementation isnt better... all smt has the inherent security risks. one of the reasons intel is moving maway from it. again in a few years amd will play catchup on that front

that AM5 board u got 2 years ago guess what? the io is outdated too....connectivity outdated