Android isn't killing sideloading, but it's making it a lot harder

As long as they don't remove ability to install non-app store applications from stock Google Android, nor the nonsense of requiring ID verification of anything installed, developers shouldn't be affected and I'm ok with this because all it will do is push more people into custom OS. I am certain GrapheneOS will remove this one day wait nonsense.
 
You should be your own security, that's the natural way, and most effective. How do you accidentally go to a website, download an app, install it, run it, go through some steps in the app and then get hacked?
Allow me to introduce you to my 80 year old mother who was walked through the steps by a nice young man calling her landline.
Maybe you will develop some empathy when it happens to someone you care about. This world is not all about you and your butthurt.
 
Allow me to introduce you to my 80 year old mother who was walked through the steps by a nice young man calling her landline.

Maybe you will develop some empathy when it happens to someone you care about. This world is not all about you and your butthurt.
That's what I was pointing out earlier in this thread. Not everyone is as tech savvy or as capable of spotting a scam a light year away as all of us here are capable of. The older generation grew up in a world that was far more trusting and decent than the world we now live in.

These things that Google are doing is what's called a compromise.

Yes, the tech savvy people aren't going to like it but if anything is to survive in the mass market, it needs to have guardrails in place to prevent (or at least help prevent) things like what happened to your 80-year-old mother.

Hopefully you were able to fix whatever happened to your mother before something really bad happened.
 
Allow me to introduce you to my 80 year old mother who was walked through the steps by a nice young man calling her landline.
Maybe you will develop some empathy when it happens to someone you care about. This world is not all about you and your butthurt.
I am sympathetic towarads your mom but I believe software should not cater to the likes of her. 90% of people should not be held back because of the other 10%. You being tech savvy should've taught your mom a few things. It's like you want her to get scammed...
 
My last post was removed for, I'll admit, going a bit too far.

The biggest damn mistake Google made was make Android as open as they did because in doing so, they set themselves up for failure when it comes to targeting the mass market. You know, the people who allow Google to practically print money.

We're seeing it now in how just about anything Google presents that will make the platform even a tad bit safer for normies is confronted with "But muh freedom!"

Every time I hear people scream, rant, and rave about that I want to bang my damn head against the goddamn wall.

Google started off open and now that they're trying to lock things down for normies for them to be safe, they're being seen as the villain. Meanwhile, Apple started off secure and totally locked down and now that they're opening things up, they're being seen as heroes. OK, maybe not heroes but compared to Google, they might as well be.

The lesson here is... Don't be so open that one day you're going to shoot yourself in the foot.

Now excuse me while I throw back several shots of whiskey.
 
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The biggest damn mistake Google made was make Android as open as they did because in doing so, they set themselves up for failure when it comes to targeting the mass market. You know, the people who allow Google to practically print money.

We're seeing it now in how just about anything Google presents that will make the platform even a tad bit safer for normies is confronted with "But muh freedom!"

Every time I hear people scream, rant, and rave about that I want to bang my damn head against the goddamn wall.

Google started off open and now that they're trying to lock things down for normies for them to be safe, they're being seen as the villain. Meanwhile, Apple started off secure and totally locked down and now that they're opening things up, they're being seen as heroes. OK, maybe not heroes but compared to Google, they might as well be.

The lesson here is... Don't be so open that one day you're going to shoot yourself in the foot.
Everybody knows google is a corporation and doesn't care about our freedom. Still, google needed openness to catch as many devs as possible. Now that they feel threatened by the AIs going more and more toward replacing google, they fence the whole system. But what is happening to windows can also happen to google. Lineage and grapheneos can get a nice boost from google anti consumer strategies, and those of us who care about freedom will help as much as we can.
 
I am sympathetic towarads your mom but I believe software should not cater to the likes of her. 90% of people should not be held back because of the other 10%. You being tech savvy should've taught your mom a few things. It's like you want her to get scammed...
Sorry if I cane on a little strong; that stuff is still kinda raw. The point I and some others are trying to make is that we as tech blog readers ARE the 10%, not the 90%.
 
Everybody knows google is a corporation and doesn't care about our freedom.
Welcome to how the real world works. It sucks but it is what it is.
Still, google needed openness to catch as many devs as possible.
Wrong.

Back when smartphones were just starting to take shape, Google found itself in a position it didn’t expect. Early Android wasn’t anything like what we know today. Devices like the HTC Dream were built around physical keyboards, trackballs, and an entirely different set of assumptions about how people would use a phone. Then the iPhone (2007) came out and completely redefined the category overnight. Google didn’t just iterate, they had to do a 180.

In doing so, Android made a fundamental tradeoff. Instead of trying to match Apple’s tightly controlled ecosystem, Google chose to prioritize scale. They opened the platform up to hardware partners, lowered barriers for developers, and gave users far more freedom than Apple ever did. This wasn’t an accident or some kind of ideological purity, it was a deliberate strategy to spread as fast and as widely as possible.

And it worked, stunningly I might add. Android didn’t just compete, it became the dominant mobile operating system on the planet.

However, that success came with consequences that were always going to show up eventually. I call it a Faustian Bargain. Openness doesn’t scale cleanly. What works when you’re small becomes a liability when you’re everywhere. As Android grew, so did fragmentation, inconsistent security standards, and a much larger attack surface. The same openness that made innovation easier also made exploitation easier. That’s not a bug, it’s baked into the very model of early Android.

Now fast forward to today. Android isn’t just a platform anymore, it’s basically digital infrastructure. People use it to manage their finances, their identities, their communication and entire chunks of the global economy run through it. At that level, “anything goes” stops being viable. So Google has been tightening things up, adding more restrictions, enforcing stronger policies, and generally trying to bring more control to a system that was originally designed to be open and loose.

And every time they do, there’s backlash. People complain that Android is losing what made it special, that Google is betraying its roots, and that the platform is becoming something it was never supposed to be. But that expectation was formed under conditions that no longer exist today. You don’t get to run a global digital infrastructure on a Wild West model forever.

What we’re seeing now isn’t Google failing or making some sudden mistake, it’s Google dealing with the delayed cost of a strategy that worked exactly as intended. They chose adoption over control, and they won. But that choice also guaranteed that one day they’d have to rein things in, whether people liked it or not.

Meanwhile, Apple started from the opposite direction. They built a tightly controlled system from the beginning, and now as they loosen things slightly, they’re seen as improving. Google is moving toward more control and gets criticized for taking things away. Same destination but a completely different perception because of where each one started.

Android didn’t make a wrong decision, it made a tradeoff. And like any tradeoff at that scale, it comes with consequences that don’t show up until much later. And the way I see it is that the Faustian Bargain that Google made so many years ago is now up.
Lineage and GrapheneOS can get a nice boost from Google's anti-consumer strategies, and those of us who care about freedom will help as much as we can.
That argument assumes that what Google is doing is “anti-consumer,” when in reality a lot of these changes are responses to what happens when a platform operates at a global scale like modern Android does.

To continue on what I mentioned above, once something like Android becomes what essentially is digital infrastructure, the priorities shift. It’s no longer just about maximizing freedom for technically inclined users, it’s about minimizing risk for billions of people who rely on the platform for everything from banking to communication to managing their every day life.

Projects like LineageOS and GrapheneOS absolutely do have value, but they serve a niche by design. They require a level of technical knowledge, effort, and ongoing maintenance that the vast majority of users are neither willing nor able to take on. Pointing to them as an “alternative” for everyone ignores the reality of how most people actually use technology.

There’s also an implicit assumption that more freedom at the platform level always benefits the end user, and that’s not really true at scale. The same openness that allows customization and control also lowers the barrier for malware, scams, and abuse. What feels like “freedom” to a power user often translates into risk exposure for everyone else.

If anything, the existence of projects like LineageOS and GrapheneOS reinforces the current balance rather than undermining it. They provide an outlet for users who want maximum control all while the mainstream platform can prioritize safety, consistency, and usability for the majority. That’s not Google being anti-consumer, it's Android adapting to the real world.

Framing this as a battle between “freedom” and “control” oversimplifies what’s actually a tradeoff between flexibility and reliability at a massive global scale. For a niche community, pushing everything toward maximum openness might sound appealing. But for a global platform used by billions, it’s just not sustainable.
 
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Framing this as a battle between “freedom” and “control” oversimplifies what’s actually a tradeoff between flexibility and reliability at a massive global scale. For a niche community, pushing everything toward maximum openness might sound appealing. But for a global platform used by billions, it’s just not sustainable.

TIL I learned that not having a megacorp dictate what you can do with a device you paid for as well as who can develop software for it is not sustainable. 🙄
 
TIL I learned that not having a megacorp dictate what you can do with a device you paid for as well as who can develop software for it is not sustainable. 🙄
I'm just stating that when you have billions of people who's technical knowledge is barely one level above being able to turn the bloody thing on, you need to make the platform damn near as id10t-proof as you possibly can make it.

And this is what Google is doing.

Welcome to mass market adoption, people. This is how the real world works, not the fantasy world that a lot of you guys want to continue to think that Android operates in.
 
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I am sympathetic towarads your mom but I believe software should not cater to the likes of her. 90% of people should not be held back because of the other 10%. You being tech savvy should've taught your mom a few things. It's like you want her to get scammed...
I have a friend who has an acquired brain injury, and totally believes the scammers from Windows etc. As the person who debugs her computer, etc, I still don't believe side-loading should be made even harder, as its almost impossible now for anyone to live a normal life without internet access for banking and even hospital appointments. No way would I suggest allowing my friend use Google for more than looking up information, I don't trust the apps we should be downloading from there instead of the actual websites of the businesses we have to maintain contact with. Google is just a front for collecting data, always has been, and I would rather sort her messes out than allow Google to control her internet use.
FWIW, in the 90s we always reckoned the biggest virus going was Windows. Were we wrong?
 
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