Apple acknowledges Mac Defender malware, offers help

The principal vector for unwanted OS infections is synonymous to the living world.

It is not that the Apple OS is any less vulnerable but that it's users are generally more refined and don't stick there noses where they don't belong. The media is the message.

Garbage In, Garbage Out.

It's nigh impossible to catch a virus if your not associating with the infected.

Think about it a little longer before you react. Drop the bias. I'm a PC - I'm a Mac.

A quip is not akin to wisdom. Wisdom does not take sides.

Funny that we expect things to get better but not change ourselves.
 
It is not that the Apple OS is any less vulnerable but that it's users are generally more refined and don't stick there noses where they don't belong. The media is the message.
The best way of convincing others that you're "more refined", is to constantly reiterate that "fact", anywhere you have the opportunity. Repetition is also the most prevalent form of propaganda. Coincidence? I think not.

Garbage In, Garbage Out.
OK. this isn't being passed off as a news story is it? Because that saw has been around since before the Commodore 64!
A quip is not akin to wisdom. Wisdom does not take sides.
Neither does random pseudointellectual blather pass for insight.
Funny that we expect things to get better but not change ourselves.
You absolutely have a valid point there!
 
exactly...why did Apple deny its existence and order employees not to help

I think its far less malicious than you are making it out to be. Apple's customer service deals with problems specific to Apple hardware and software, its probably in their tech support policy that they can't help out with 3rd party stuff. Its not Apple's problem that something you installed isn't working correctly or is causing harm. The message that was "leaked" was likely just sent out to further emphasize it is against policy to handle things outside of problems specifically related to Apple software or hardware.
 
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It is not that the Apple OS is any less vulnerable but that it's users are generally more refined and don't stick there noses where they don't belong. The media is the message.

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Originally Posted by captaincranky
The best way of convincing others that you're "more refined", is to constantly reiterate that "fact:...



I'm a PC user mainly and would be a daddy many times over if it was not wearing a very good condom ;)

However, though a generalization, a spade is a spade. The average Apple fanatic spends much less time perusing porn, siphoning off pirated software and surfing nefarious sites than Joe PC. If Apple holds to its cards while becoming equally saturated in the industry as Windows, we will have a different world. Note that I didn't say better.
 
Originally Posted by Guest
A quip is not akin to wisdom. Wisdom does not take sides.

I think you are confusing wisdom with neutrality.
wisdom does take a side....the one it believes in .

Definition of WISDOM
1
a : accumulated philosophic or scientific learning : knowledge
b : ability to discern inner qualities and relationships : insight
c : good sense : judgment
d : generally accepted belief <challenges what has become accepted wisdom among many historians — Robert Darnton>
2
: a wise attitude, belief, or course of action
 
However, though a generalization, a spade is a spade. The average Apple fanatic spends much less time perusing porn, siphoning off pirated software and surfing nefarious sites than Joe PC. If Apple holds to its cards while becoming equally saturated in the industry as Windows, we will have a different world. Note that I didn't say better.
It is fair to say that money acts as a social filter, as it has for thousands of years.

As to whether being a "goody two shoes" goes hand in hand with Apple ownership, there's probably some truth in that.

The odd thing about that is, I belonged to a forum dealing with Adobe Photoshop Elements, and those clowns we're constantly reciting the Apple mantra about they just had, or were going to, buy an Apple computer, so that, "they didn't have to deal with viruses". "No more viruses, I just bought an Apple".

No, they weren't involved with any of the behaviours you've associated with "Joe PC". They were just abominably stupid about all things computer. But still, they really thought they were better than PC owners.

When you break down the demographics of PC users, I would be very surprised if the young jitterbugs were't the ones, pirating all the games, downloading most of the movies and music, and accordingly, contracting all the malware. With that said, how many current games or torrent software are available for the Mac. (No I don't intend to research that myself, I don't really care. A rhetorical question perhaps),

As to porn, reputable subscription porn, (or "art photography" sites, if you will), are as safe to click on, as shopping at Newegg.

As top the people contracting malware through social networking sites, or any of the avenues both you and I have discussed, I have zero sympathy. Nada, nil, zip, zilch, et al.

I figure it like this, "you made your bed, now reformat it"!
 
Hmmmmm?

Macs tend to attract better quality human beings for a number of reasons!

Well I think this is the boldest statement that I've seen in quite some time! This sounds like "profiling" or "inventory" taking to me! So in other words the mass majority of people who choose IBM compatible machines, the type that host Windows Operating Systems are or the "less quality of human being variety" than people who choose Apple computers? Also what about people who might choose an IBM compatible machine but opt to run a non Microsoft operating system, say Linux, are they also of the "less quality of human being variety"?

I don't know how fair that little statement of yours was! I know a lot of " high quality of human beings" that opt to run IBM compatible machines, some being doctors and attorney's and the like! Heck my own Mother has a Masters Degree and is a M.D., who also owns with three other partners their own medical establishment, which I just happen to be the I.T. Manager of. That establishment only runs on IBM compatible machine environment and all systems are running Microsoft Windows XP Professional (64bit), is everyone there of the "lesser quality of human being variety"?

I know Apple is expensive and the quality of most Apple products is high, but not everyone who chooses an Apple product is of the "high quality of human being variety". Through out my travels I've seen some questionable and shady characters who choose Apple or OS-X or Mac products, the type of people I didn't want to stick around and get to know!

I'm done now, I will get off my soap box, it's just that comment just rubbed me the wrong way!
 
Macs tend to attract better quality human beings for a number of reasons (and no I'm not talking about price as that is simply a natural result of higher quality). This is the primary reason there are so few virii on the Mac.
Well I think this is the boldest statement that I've seen in quite some time!
I would have gone with "trolliest". That's why we have "guest" posting, to lure self involved windbags like this out from under their rocks, so we can ridicule them. What fun would this forum be without the occasional drive by itinerant troll / expert's "valuable opinion"?

So what if you need a respirator and a gallon of bleach to clean up after them?
 
Guest said:
Guest writes: "I actually purchased a Mac mini, so I could support my customers better. I primarily use it for a media center PC, and it locks up and crashes way more than my PC. "

Maybe you have a dud but I would diagnose PEBCAK. It is absolutely rare (to the point I don't even remember) that I have had to powercycle my mac in the 4 years I've owned it. Software Update works a dream - use it.

I would like to say the same thing about my PC but that would be dishonest. Though Windows 7 has improved it, they are not even on the same planet in terms of pain vs gain.

Macs tend to attract better quality human beings for a number of reasons (and no I'm not talking about price as that is simply a natural result of higher quality). This is the primary reason there are so few virii on the Mac.

you never see quality brand beer empties discarded on the side of the road
better quality human beings? better quality human beings like buying overpriced hardware/software?
People who buy apple computers usually buy them because they are aesthetically pleasing or they windows computers are too complex for them. They don't look at macs from a technical standpoint, not that its such a bad thing(not everyone has the time to become educated with computers).
Macs tend to attract better quality humans ===> using logic, if they attract better quality humans then the mac using population is just better in general correct? you're saying that people using apple product are "better" than the rest of us?.... you're no better than a racist. using a superficial quality like skin color(or in this case computer brand) to judge people. how nice.
if you have a brain in your thick skull, please use it. if you were a hacker and you were paid for each computer you could hack into, would you hack the windows population, accounting for 85% of people using computers, or the mac popluation, accounting for 8% of people using computers? Thats why there are more viruses on pcs than on macs.
 
Naturally it will rub some PC users the wrong way when someone makes a statement about better quality human beings choosing Apple. No one likes to feel like they've got the short end of the stick.

Ironically, one has to post as Guest to make certain kinds of comments due to the innate reactionary thoughtless aggressiveness prevalent in the kind of (lesser quality) beings that haunt mostly-PC forums and blogs.

While everybody with 5 reasonably working senses etc. will have relatively the same potential in this life, it would be utter stupidity to assume that potential is equitably being realized. Potentiating depends on many many factors. Any ignorances (including Racism) in ones environment will effect this negatively - and, overall, there doesn't seem to be any sign of these kind of influences diminishing in the near future.

One's choices can and do reflect on one's current qualities.

It has been demonstrated that Apple tends to be favored by professionals and artists. The kind of people that aren't particularly interested in or have time for questionable pursuits.

And it is mainly for this reason that Macs will likely always be a relatively minor vector for OS related diseases as long as they maintain the perception of quality and the price tag to match.


* Zen, Windows machines aren't referred to as IBM compatibles anymore.

* Cranky, the best definition for wisdom is "as it is", feel free to discard the rest. And we both know the "Troll-Alarm" is mostly a tool used by the majority to suppress the minority.

* Zecias, take a chill pill and read this post clearly and slowly. Theoretically, Macs would make an excellent target due to the perceived greater average wealth of the typical Mac owner. However, due in a big part to the above explanation, they are difficult to infect.
 
Naturally it will rub some PC users the wrong way when someone makes a statement about better quality human beings choosing Apple. No one likes to feel like they've got the short end of the stick.

Ironically, one has to post as Guest to make certain kinds of comments due to the innate reactionary thoughtless aggressiveness prevalent in the kind of (lesser quality) beings that haunt mostly-PC forums and blogs.

While everybody with 5 reasonably working senses etc. will have relatively the same potential in this life, it would be utter stupidity to assume that potential is equitably being realized. Potentiating depends on many many factors. Any ignorances (including Racism) in ones environment will effect this negatively - and, overall, there doesn't seem to be any sign of these kind of influences diminishing in the near future.

One's choices can and do reflect on one's current qualities.

It has been demonstrated that Apple tends to be favored by professionals and artists. The kind of people that aren't particularly interested in or have time for questionable pursuits.

And it is mainly for this reason that Macs will likely always be a relatively minor vector for OS related diseases as long as they maintain the perception of quality and the price tag to match.


* Zen, Windows machines aren't referred to as IBM compatibles anymore.

* Cranky, the best definition for wisdom is "as it is", feel free to discard the rest. And we both know the "Troll-Alarm" is mostly a tool used by the majority to suppress the minority.

* Zecias, take a chill pill and read this post clearly and slowly. Theoretically, Macs would make an excellent target due to the perceived greater average wealth of the typical Mac owner. However, due in a big part to the above explanation, they are difficult to infect.
Oddly this seems like another of "Whoaman's" bouts with verbal diaharrea.

It has that certain endless, rambling, pointlessness to it.
 
The Crank has been reduced by the guest to feeble-minded retorts. It is Mr.Guest to you Captain.
 
* Zen, Windows machines aren't referred to as IBM compatibles anymore.

Well excuse the flying flip out of me for referring to something in an ((old school)) way! This is just strange and odd, because I attend many computer support and network support conferences around my state and some around the nation and most of the people in my industry that I talk to still refer to computers by their ((old school)) designations.

About 80% of people at computer events still use the term "IBM compatible" when talking about boxes that support and have Microsoft Operating Systems on them. Funny that the term "IBM compatible" is brought up when also referring to boxes that support and have a Linux distro on them. It only seems to be Apple, when discussed at these events that has any sort of fancy designation added onto them. Weird that most in my industry that I come in contact with, refer to Apple as just the "aesthetic" machines!

Well I guess for saying "IBM compatible" I should just march my a** into my bathroom and wash my mouth out with soap!

Yeah right!
 
It is Mr.Guest to you Captain.
No, it's actually expletive deleted, by any standard of nomenclature. Not even Mr Expletive deleted. Just "troll", si usted prefiere. There's not a chance in hell you'll ever rate Mr.

The Crank has been reduced by the guest to feeble-minded retorts.
Actually, I don't exactly where you summon the hubris to designate anything. "Freeble minded" isn't "feeble minded" just because you say it is. You're not that important, only suffering from the delusion of self importantance. My feeling is you should probably go back to examining what kinds of beer cans are being thrown at the side of the road, and try to build a philosophy around it. Oh wait, you've been there, done that, then posted to tell us how much you've learned about "life, the universe, Apple computers, and everything" from it! To wit;
you never see quality brand beer empties discarded on the side of the road

IMHO, you're wasting you're time here. A windbag of your stature should be out writing his autobiography. I'll kick in with a title for you, no royalties attached. Um, how about, "How LSD turned me into the s***house philosopher I am today". No need to thank me, just use it with pride.

To get back on topic, "hey, how about that malware that infects Apple computers"! Things are looking up.
 
The wind has become rather Central U.S. I'd say.

That's ok Zen, we know what you meant. Wintel is more typical at the moment since IBM has more or less withdrawn from personal computer sales for some time now.
 
Originally Posted by Guest:
Macs tend to attract better quality human beings for a number of reasons!

Apple understands consumers are stupid and that advertising can brain-wash them, that’s what they understand. Case in point, look at the new Macbook Air’s that run Intel Core2Duo processors that came out in 2008. A $1599 laptop with almost a 3 year old CPU… It’s revolutionary! ....... Scott Young.

Enough said isn't it ;)
 
And yet still no one has managed to best a Macbook Air at anywhere near Apple's price point.

:p
 
And yet still no one has managed to best a Macbook Air at anywhere near Apple's price point.

:p
Right, wait til you try and get one fixed, with the proprietary flash SSD soldered to the main board. I'd like to see what any old repairs do to the overall "price point".

How does Apple get away with completely ignoring universal PnP? Apple is #1 in customer satisfaction with service. I guess enough of their crap breaks to keep them in practice.

But there's this; if you can afford good beer, and be sophisticated enough to not throw the empties on the side of the road, you should be sophisticated enough to shut up and pay up, when they hand you the repair bill.
 
captaincranky said:
Wax on......Wax off... Actually I think there's a lot more waxing off going on here......But judge for yourselves...You da man....!

Although, "viruses" is the commonly accepted English plural form of, "virus".

It's not. "virii", which is a vulgar slang form, commonly used by ill bred Apple trolls because they think it makes them appear somehow more "sophisticated".

Now be a good little "App-Holian", run along and wax your Mac-Mini........Oh, and before I forget.... hooray for you... :rolleyes:

How dare you talk to a better quality human being in that manner? As a matter of fact, how dare you even respond to such a one? You are not worthy!
 
Guest said:
I DON'T GET THE OBSESSION WITH MACS!!!!!!

Neither do i my friend, my theory is that its more about social stature then picking the best computer. Plus once you have a mac or any apple product for that matter you are instantly superior, as another guess has said:

Guest said:
Macs tend to attract better quality human beings

.....oh brother, cue another eye roll
 
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