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Don't be an Apphole, Apple!
Apple: you must be at least 17 years old to use Opera
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I would have to agree that people go for the Mac either to be "artsy" or to get a small taste of elitism, becoming brand warriors for Apple, most touting their OS and brand of computer without any sort of technical acumen to back it up - the argument I hear most often is "It's pretty!"...
...pretty a good OS does not make. Maybe if it made an effort to teach people about its core fundamental system (Unix), Mac users would quickly surpass Windows/Linux/etc users in intelligence and ability, but until then, they are forever doomed to one mouse button, one app for music, one app for the web, and one very egotistic deity they worship, shelling out money for restrictions and a finely polished proprietary dead end, only to buy the update/upgrade six months later.
Apple users, get smart, install Linux - or Unix, even, if you can find it, learn it, use it, customize it, and you will end up with a very similar system that is capable of SO much more, and for free at that (at least in the case of Linux) - all you need is time and an inherent ability to discern things for yourself.
...pretty a good OS does not make. Maybe if it made an effort to teach people about its core fundamental system (Unix), Mac users would quickly surpass Windows/Linux/etc users in intelligence and ability, but until then, they are forever doomed to one mouse button, one app for music, one app for the web, and one very egotistic deity they worship, shelling out money for restrictions and a finely polished proprietary dead end, only to buy the update/upgrade six months later.
Apple users, get smart, install Linux - or Unix, even, if you can find it, learn it, use it, customize it, and you will end up with a very similar system that is capable of SO much more, and for free at that (at least in the case of Linux) - all you need is time and an inherent ability to discern things for yourself.
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There's a joke in there. As opposed to using iOS, or MS' Windows Mobile, you could resort to Linux, aka Android OS.
I encourage it =P
I encourage it =P
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Linux was invented by a person. Linus Torvalds, to be specific.
No, Linux is not older than Windows. Older than OS X? Yes, but not older than Mac OS.
OS X is, in simplistic terms, a modified form of BSD Unix, with a very nice GUI on top. In a sense, OS X is as close to a mainstream "Linux on the Desktop" anyone has ever gotten.
OS X is, under the hood, Unix. So to suggest that the route to a more powerful OS is to install Unix is, well, misguided. You may as well be telling Ubuntu users to install Linux.
Every OS has its pluses and minuses. Your blind hatred for OS X is just as bad as the sheep-like cult of Steve. You both need to get your heads removed from your posterior.
No, Linux is not older than Windows. Older than OS X? Yes, but not older than Mac OS.
OS X is, in simplistic terms, a modified form of BSD Unix, with a very nice GUI on top. In a sense, OS X is as close to a mainstream "Linux on the Desktop" anyone has ever gotten.
OS X is, under the hood, Unix. So to suggest that the route to a more powerful OS is to install Unix is, well, misguided. You may as well be telling Ubuntu users to install Linux.
Every OS has its pluses and minuses. Your blind hatred for OS X is just as bad as the sheep-like cult of Steve. You both need to get your heads removed from your posterior.
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"OS X is, in simplistic terms, a modified form of BSD Unix, with a very nice GUI on top. In a sense, OS X is as close to a mainstream "Linux on the Desktop" anyone has ever gotten."
The point I am trying to make is that it is a very restricted "Linux on the Desktop" that is sold as a proprietary package, along with proprietary hardware (sure, you can make a Hackintosh, but I digress) - it is purposefully limited in terms of use and what you can do with it - a LOT of that underlying power that IS the Unix architecture is kept away from the user, and even locked off in certain ways.
"OS X is, under the hood, Unix. So to suggest that the route to a more powerful OS is to install Unix is, well, misguided. You may as well be telling Ubuntu users to install Linux."
Wrong. OS X is under the hood Unix, correct, but it is NOT Unix, just as Ubuntu is NOT "Linux", per se - it is a wrapper for the Linux kernel. In the case of the Mac OS, it is a VERY restrictive wrapper, a package of Apple software that works for the most part ONLY with Apple software and ONLY with Apple hardware - you can run the Linux and Unix kernels on ANYTHING just about, however. Different programs, different components/drivers, different GUI, different EVERYTHING (except for the Kernel, and even THAT is modified) make a completely different OS from Unix, sorry - just the underpinnings are there, and neglected (from the user standpoint) for the GUI and the cult of Apple. All that has happened here is that SOMEONE in the business finally got things "right" in the respect that they chose a stable base to work from, but that is it - it is the base, and the things developed around it make the "OS" as it were.
"Every OS has its pluses and minuses. Your blind hatred for OS X is just as bad as the sheep-like cult of Steve. You both need to get your heads removed from your posterior."
I was not proclaiming any hate, and you are right when you say every OS has plus/minus attributes - so thanks for the unneeded vitriol and wrongheaded notions. The only hate here I see is from you, implying that my head is up my rear because of some opinion you formed and used to stick words in my mouth - or rather, in the text form on your screen at the time you wrote that.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and I hope that things have been cleared up a little.
The point I am trying to make is that it is a very restricted "Linux on the Desktop" that is sold as a proprietary package, along with proprietary hardware (sure, you can make a Hackintosh, but I digress) - it is purposefully limited in terms of use and what you can do with it - a LOT of that underlying power that IS the Unix architecture is kept away from the user, and even locked off in certain ways.
"OS X is, under the hood, Unix. So to suggest that the route to a more powerful OS is to install Unix is, well, misguided. You may as well be telling Ubuntu users to install Linux."
Wrong. OS X is under the hood Unix, correct, but it is NOT Unix, just as Ubuntu is NOT "Linux", per se - it is a wrapper for the Linux kernel. In the case of the Mac OS, it is a VERY restrictive wrapper, a package of Apple software that works for the most part ONLY with Apple software and ONLY with Apple hardware - you can run the Linux and Unix kernels on ANYTHING just about, however. Different programs, different components/drivers, different GUI, different EVERYTHING (except for the Kernel, and even THAT is modified) make a completely different OS from Unix, sorry - just the underpinnings are there, and neglected (from the user standpoint) for the GUI and the cult of Apple. All that has happened here is that SOMEONE in the business finally got things "right" in the respect that they chose a stable base to work from, but that is it - it is the base, and the things developed around it make the "OS" as it were.
"Every OS has its pluses and minuses. Your blind hatred for OS X is just as bad as the sheep-like cult of Steve. You both need to get your heads removed from your posterior."
I was not proclaiming any hate, and you are right when you say every OS has plus/minus attributes - so thanks for the unneeded vitriol and wrongheaded notions. The only hate here I see is from you, implying that my head is up my rear because of some opinion you formed and used to stick words in my mouth - or rather, in the text form on your screen at the time you wrote that.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and I hope that things have been cleared up a little.
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Opera is so unreliable and broken it could bring minors to tears easily. Thanks Apple. No, really, I do think so.
captaincranky
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I was past 40 when I learned there even was an internet. There's no upper age limit for downloading Opera is there?
I hope, I hope, I hope , i hope.........I HOPE.......Ahhhh......
I hope, I hope, I hope , i hope.........I HOPE.......Ahhhh......
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According to App Store rules any application that allows unlimited access to the Internet and can not control content gets such age rating. It is needed for parental control and that parental control also allows to block Safari. So this is absolutely normal and journalists just used all that just for the sake of rating. Opera used that for PR.
BTW: I've been using Opera for almost 5 years but now I'm using Chrome cause it's much faster.
BTW: I've been using Opera for almost 5 years but now I'm using Chrome cause it's much faster.
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I wasn't speaking just to you when i brought up the blind hatred, y'know, but thanks for taking it personally.
What can I do in <insert Unix distro here> that I cant do is OS X? I can bring up the command line, i can run all Unix commands, I can fire up X11 and run anything that needs it. I can do just as much from the terminal of my OS X box as I can from my Linux box. Does OS X do a great job of hiding the nuts and bolts from the end user? Yes, it does. And guess what? For mainstream users, that's a good thing. For us nerd types, it's mildly irritating, but we're nerds enough to work around it.
News flash: Pretty much any distro of Linux is a wrapper for the Linux kernel. You could run SlackWare, which gets you pretty close to bare bones, but that's still just a wrapper for a kernel.
OS X is a wrapper for a modified BSD kernel. So what? It's just a distro. A distro that does a good job of working for 99% of its users, and for being Unix to the 1% that really care. I dunno about you, but I'm in my terminal window all the time. I love having that power at my fingertips, even if the Cult of Jobs would just as soon care to ignore it. It sure as heck beats out Windows in that respect, where as much as the main OS has improved, when I open a console, I'm still looking at gussied-up DOS.
So I stick to my point. OS X is Unix, with a fantastic GUI on top. It's like every KDE or Gnome devs dream of what their GUI could (should) be. Yes, it only runs on Apple hardware (which is Intel-based anyway, so oh well) but so what? It's not the first OS to be restricted to a certain config. I know of many Dells that shipped with Windows install discs that would not run unless they were in a Dell. I see little difference there.
Hate on the Cult of Jobs all you want. The marketing decisions at Apple are just as questionable as the marketing decisions of most other large organizations. I'm no Mac fanboy, just someone who uses several different systems and loves OS X for what it does.
And yes, those with the blind hatred for an OS or a system without any real research or experience to back it up DO need to remove their heads from their posteriors. That's a point I'll stand by, too.
What can I do in <insert Unix distro here> that I cant do is OS X? I can bring up the command line, i can run all Unix commands, I can fire up X11 and run anything that needs it. I can do just as much from the terminal of my OS X box as I can from my Linux box. Does OS X do a great job of hiding the nuts and bolts from the end user? Yes, it does. And guess what? For mainstream users, that's a good thing. For us nerd types, it's mildly irritating, but we're nerds enough to work around it.
News flash: Pretty much any distro of Linux is a wrapper for the Linux kernel. You could run SlackWare, which gets you pretty close to bare bones, but that's still just a wrapper for a kernel.
OS X is a wrapper for a modified BSD kernel. So what? It's just a distro. A distro that does a good job of working for 99% of its users, and for being Unix to the 1% that really care. I dunno about you, but I'm in my terminal window all the time. I love having that power at my fingertips, even if the Cult of Jobs would just as soon care to ignore it. It sure as heck beats out Windows in that respect, where as much as the main OS has improved, when I open a console, I'm still looking at gussied-up DOS.
So I stick to my point. OS X is Unix, with a fantastic GUI on top. It's like every KDE or Gnome devs dream of what their GUI could (should) be. Yes, it only runs on Apple hardware (which is Intel-based anyway, so oh well) but so what? It's not the first OS to be restricted to a certain config. I know of many Dells that shipped with Windows install discs that would not run unless they were in a Dell. I see little difference there.
Hate on the Cult of Jobs all you want. The marketing decisions at Apple are just as questionable as the marketing decisions of most other large organizations. I'm no Mac fanboy, just someone who uses several different systems and loves OS X for what it does.
And yes, those with the blind hatred for an OS or a system without any real research or experience to back it up DO need to remove their heads from their posteriors. That's a point I'll stand by, too.
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ok honestly this is stupid the browser was actually released last year around this time there is no new version that is "native". All of this aside Opera has failed to make any updates throughout a year. They failed not Apple. I am in support of those parental controls. I am sorry for any of you who don't know how to parent your kids. But behaviour like this is why alot of your kids get a skewed view of things through the parts of the web. Heck I like porn I like rated r movies and that but I also had a mother that taught me right from wrong since "most" (not all) modern parents are too lazy to teach that, these controls help. Not trying to be a jerk, but obesity in children, bad behaviour and failure in school are mainly rooted from poor parenting. not an increase in mental diseases or any other poor excuse they have out there. Oh and if you don't like Mac or say you don't but you have never had one for longer than 15 minutes at best buy then your opinion really doesn't count because most of you I find hate it based on a disposition you got on it as you were younger and you have no clue what its about at all. Not try to flame but this war is stupid a two front war that never wins either side. honestly there are going to be genrations of success among different companies for different things. Microsoft doesnt rule anymore, and standards have been met by all companies to make it level choose ur brand cause it does good by you dont diss a brand in ignorance cause you feel like it.
Well superdad,,, how about instead of relying on parental controls to ween your children you get off your butt and supervise them yourself
I could not buy alcohol until i was 18. didnt stop me getting drunk beforehand though. But if my mum was there i would probably be dead by now
ok honestly this is stupid the browser was actually released last year around this time there is no new version that is "native". All of this aside Opera has failed to make any updates throughout a year. They failed not Apple. I am in support of those parental controls. I am sorry for any of you who don't know how to parent your kids. But behaviour like this is why alot of your kids get a skewed view of things through the parts of the web. Heck I like porn I like rated r movies and that but I also had a mother that taught me right from wrong since "most" (not all) modern parents are too lazy to teach that, these controls help. Not trying to be a jerk, but obesity in children, bad behaviour and failure in school are mainly rooted from poor parenting. not an increase in mental diseases or any other poor excuse they have out there. Oh and if you don't like Mac or say you don't but you have never had one for longer than 15 minutes at best buy then your opinion really doesn't count because most of you I find hate it based on a disposition you got on it as you were younger and you have no clue what its about at all. Not try to flame but this war is stupid a two front war that never wins either side. honestly there are going to be genrations of success among different companies for different things. Microsoft doesnt rule anymore, and standards have been met by all companies to make it level choose ur brand cause it does good by you dont diss a brand in ignorance cause you feel like it.
Well superdad,,, how about instead of relying on parental controls to ween your children you get off your butt and supervise them yourself
I could not buy alcohol until i was 18. didnt stop me getting drunk beforehand though. But if my mum was there i would probably be dead by now
captaincranky
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And I'll stick to my opinion that the "follow the bouncing ball" GUI on that Apple OS is childish and annoying.
I'm not hating, making comment on, disputing the capability of, or examining the genealogy of the OS. The bouncing icons are more nightmares, (IMHO) than "what developers dream off".
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Actual Linux is not that complicated. I would even argue that Ubuntu is even simpler to understand than windows. And best of all Linux is free and runs almost all the programs that windows does. So my argument is why shouldn't every one move to Linux?
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"So my argument is why shouldn't every one move to Linux? "
Ive always wanted to try linux but heard its a pain to run games. Is this true?
"So my argument is why shouldn't every one move to Linux? "
Ive always wanted to try linux but heard its a pain to run games. Is this true?
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The strangest thing is that I still don't hate Apple after reading so many news about Apple and other developers. How are they doing that?
TrekExpert
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I wouldn't go as far to say that it is a pain, but It does require that you instal an open source software which adds a compatibility layer which is very simple. Some games also require minor tweaking to get them running smoothly but besides that its actually not that hard.
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Dictator Steve job, jihad (holy war) against
Adobe Flash and opera. what next?
Adobe Flash and opera. what next?
You know what maybe you're right, maybe the only reason I think linux is complicated is because I only tried to put it on my ps3, maybe it's easier on a regular desktop never tried it though.
captaincranky
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And not only can you say it, you can also look it up in the dictionary...! https://www.techspot.com/vb/topic162963.htmlwhat should I say but,LOL!!!
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