Asus accidentally confirms GeForce RTX 3080 Ti with 20 GB of memory

[texasrattler]

3090 wouldnt even get a TI label, it would just be called a Titan. Which is still a possibility, its just unlikely.

 

[ypsylon]

If that is just "ordinary" 3080 but with 20GB then it'll be nice, but too expensive at 1000$ vs AMD recent releases.

However if that is long rumored 3080Ti, which is basically 3090 just with 4GB of VRAM removed, then it'll be another 1080Ti gold standard which will last for years as a card to go to for rendering. And... will render (pun not intended) any top tier AMD card completely irrelevant at 1000$.

 

[Mister_K]

Nvidia is up selling simply because they were planning a response to AMD when their GPU drops. Nvidia saw that the 6800XT comes with 16GB of VRAM means that their upgrade SKU can come with 20GB. Nvidia already saw this coming so a simple doubling of VRAM is an easy answer. They also have plenty of chips not binned high enough for 3090 but too powerful for 3080 with a huge $800 price gap in between. It’s an easy fit to price it $899-1299 for the Ti variant.

I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.

This. When I seen that it's 10GB I laughed, why bother buying it? Save money, wait for Ti, Bobs ya uncle.

I have problems with 11GB with 1080ti for certain VRAM excessive tasks, holding out for this and saving that dolla'

 

[Makste]

Can't wait to see the navi mobility card benchmarks

 

[Knot Schure]

How about these websites evolve to these new 'unobtanium' products - if they are not available for general sale, don't review, nor mention them, or at least don't include them in charts etc.

I gave up trying to get a 3080. I wonder how many really exist. Few thousand? Less? I know that sounds naieve - but I know a few gamers, and nobody got one. Even with being on the list, and so on, and so on.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Tfw I haven't seen an nvidia gfx card selling anywhere near msrp for a decade.

I bought an MSI 3070 Gaming Trio X (or is gaming x trio) at it's MSRP. It did take over a month to arrive from pre-order though: Nov 6th order to Dec 21st delivery.

 

[Puiu]

If that is just "ordinary" 3080 but with 20GB then it'll be nice, but too expensive at 1000$ vs AMD recent releases.

However if that is long rumored 3080Ti, which is basically 3090 just with 4GB of VRAM removed, then it'll be another 1080Ti gold standard which will last for years as a card to go to for rendering. And... will render (pun not intended) any top tier AMD card completely irrelevant at 1000$.

That's if it will be anywhere near 1000$. It might land at 1200-1250$.

 

[Reehahs]

Luckily, that's unlikely to happen. There are three ways in which Ti cards can be made superior to the regular editions: memory, clocks, and cores. The RTX 3090 already uses the maximum amount of GDDR6X memory that the architecture can handle, so they can't upgrade that. And the clock speeds can't be increased because there's already barely any overclocking headroom.

The core count could technically be upped. The RTX A6000 has the maximum number of cores supported by the chip, at 10752. But the RTX 3090 already has 10496. So that upgrade is pretty negligible and Nvidia isn't likely to do it.

So yeah, no RTX 3090 Ti.

The core config for both 3080 and 3090 have odd numbers in them, therefore, both cards have possibility of Ti versions:

Wikipedia 3xxx Series Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_30_series

 

[Lounds]

The skus Nvidia keep releasing it's very similar to phone manufacturers who bring out half year refreshes of products with slightly better specs.

The thing is the evidence shows that Nvidia was always going to release a 80ti model as some point you only have to look at the last 6 years of Nvidia's products.

 

[PEnnn]

A leak from nvidia might make sense at this time so that people hold off ordering an amd card...but a leak via an aib partner like this doesn’t seem like how they would go about it. Also, Asus has nothing much to gain from the leak. Also, if you are going to leak things deliberately, you still don’t want it happening on someone else’s schedule, hence nvidia is probably unhappy it happens out if their control.

I don’t know why you think this particular case was deliberate?

Under normal circumstances, you could be right.

Except, now only scalpers and their bots are able to buy ANYTHING directly from nVidia (go to nVidia's website 1 day after any release and see for yourself) and if ANYTHING becomes available the next 6 months it will be from Asus and others.

So, essentially Asus is telling them where they can buy the stuff. nVidia is happy either way.

 

[QuantumPhysics]

Manup and get the 3090.

 

[DonquixoteIII]

Luckily, that's unlikely to happen. There are three ways in which Ti cards can be made superior to the regular editions: memory, clocks, and cores. The RTX 3090 already uses the maximum amount of GDDR6X memory that the architecture can handle, so they can't upgrade that. And the clock speeds can't be increased because there's already barely any overclocking headroom.

The core count could technically be upped. The RTX A6000 has the maximum number of cores supported by the chip, at 10752. But the RTX 3090 already has 10496. So that upgrade is pretty negligible and Nvidia isn't likely to do it.

So yeah, no RTX 3090 Ti.

Forgot the sarcasm tags....

 

[mongeese]

The core config for both 3080 and 3090 have odd numbers in them, therefore, both cards have possibility of Ti versions:

Wikipedia 3xxx Series Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_30_series

One or two quirks doesn't mean there's enough headroom for an upgraded version.

Forgot the sarcasm tags....

Even Nvidia tries to be reasonable.

Let's look at the RTX A6000, the most powerful (by rendering) and expensive Ampere GPU. It costs about $5000. Nvidia cannot physically manufacture a GPU any better than this, right now.
The A6000 has 10752 cores (2.4% more than the 3090) and a base clock of 1455 MHz (4.3% more than the 3090) and a boost clock of 1860 MHz (9.7% more than the 3090).
If the 3090 Ti had the same specs as the A6000, in other words, the very best Nvidia can produce, then it would still only be a few percentage points superior, theoretically. Reality is even more dismal: the 3090 has 21% more cores and the same clock frequencies as the 3080, so it is theoretically ~20% better, but is actually about ~10% better in testing. What I'm saying is, a 3090 Ti couldn't even exceed a margin-of-error performance boost. It is not a product that can exist. (If I'm wrong, I'll buy you two a beer.)

3090 wouldnt even get a TI label, it would just be called a Titan. Which is still a possibility, its just unlikely.

I wouldn't rule this out - but the Titan RTX version 2 wouldn't be any better at gaming than the 3090 (unless it came with a built-in water cooler or nonsense like that). It would just have different drivers.

 

[Knot Schure]

Manup and get the 3090.

I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.

I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.

 

[Reehahs]

One or two quirks doesn't mean there's enough headroom for an upgraded version.

Even Nvidia tries to be reasonable.

Let's look at the RTX A6000, the most powerful (by rendering) and expensive Ampere GPU. It costs about $5000. Nvidia cannot physically manufacture a GPU any better than this, right now.
The A6000 has 10752 cores (2.4% more than the 3090) and a base clock of 1455 MHz (4.3% more than the 3090) and a boost clock of 1860 MHz (9.7% more than the 3090).
If the 3090 Ti had the same specs as the A6000, in other words, the very best Nvidia can produce, then it would still only be a few percentage points superior, theoretically. Reality is even more dismal: the 3090 has 21% more cores and the same clock frequencies as the 3080, so it is theoretically ~20% better, but is actually about ~10% better in testing. What I'm saying is, a 3090 Ti couldn't even exceed a margin-of-error performance boost. It is not a product that can exist. (If I'm wrong, I'll buy you two a beer.)


I wouldn't rule this out - but the Titan RTX version 2 wouldn't be any better at gaming than the 3090 (unless it came with a built-in water cooler or nonsense like that). It would just have different drivers.

I will take up on your offer. My counter in return is; if Nvidia does not release the Ti variant of 3080 or 3090 based on an even configuration of core bits in the chip within an year, I will get a Techspot membership.

BTW, I like my beer non-alcoholic.

 

[Burty117]

I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.

I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.

Pretty sure EVGA's warranty allows you to do this. Also, just keep the original cooler and put it back on if any issues come up?

 

[Malakai2k]

Nvidia is like that one try-hard kid in high school.

"A person who puts a large amount of effort into achieving a certain image, or counter-image, to the point where it is obviously contrived. Rather than achieving an image through genuine personality, the try-hard consciously attempts to fit a certain style through deliberate imitation, forced style, or scripted behavior. That is to say, he/she is trying hard to create an image."

 

[Markoni35]

Nvidia often release video cards with weird RAM size (e.g. 896 MB, 3 GB, 6 GB, and now 20 GB) and weird memory bus width. Kinda like Intel has odd frequencies, usually fractional (2666.666666). On the other hand AMD sticks to simple and effective standards. Round or integer CPU clocks and geek-friendly memory sizes (2 GB, 4 GB, 8 GB, 16 GB, etc).

 

[DonquixoteIII]

I haven't seen a watercooled 3090 on the market, but I have seen a watercooled 3080.

I'm not willing to lose another GPU warranty by adding the EKWB etc blocks myself.

ASUS, Gigabyte and EVGA all offer water cooled variants. Possibly MSI. Look better.

 

[Khanonate]

Sounds like it's time to take out a 3rd Mortgage on the house .....

4th on mine...

 

[Tom Sunday]

Are leaks actually disguised company marketing initiatives? Interesting times ahead again. 2021 starting out with a bang. A lot to chew on. Or to complain about. The all new Z590 mobos are breaking out with Intel's newest Rocket Lake 11th-gen on January 11, 2021 (CES 2021) as well and with additional goodies like PCI Express 4.0 and Thunderbolt 4. Thanks to the newer 4.0 offering lots of vendors have already shipped new NVMe solid-state drives that use the newer spec's increased bandwidth. Just in time for a RTX 3080ti ($1,200?) to announce itself to our wallets and with a cool 20 GB of memory. Probably the 'sweet-spot' where most serious gamers wanted to be in the first place? Then later in 2021 (November?) Alder Lake the 12th-gen Intel processor will be introduced with a possible 16 cores and 24 threads. A much "larger rectangular Intel chip" in overall dimension then the current 11th generation and in the process later this year forcing again all new mobo architectures and perrihials. Get money ready. No current AIO footprints will apparently fit it nor cool the Alder Chip. Life however is good!

 

[DonquixoteIII]

Are leaks actually disguised company marketing initiatives? Interesting times ahead again. 2021 starting out with a bang. A lot to chew on. Or to complain about. The all new Z590 mobos are breaking out with Intel's newest Rocket Lake 11th-gen on January 11, 2021 (CES 2021) as well and with additional goodies like PCI Express 4.0 and Thunderbolt 4. Thanks to the newer 4.0 offering lots of vendors have already shipped new NVMe solid-state drives that use the newer spec's increased bandwidth. Just in time for a RTX 3080ti ($1,200?) to announce itself to our wallets and with a cool 20 GB of memory. Probably the 'sweet-spot' where most serious gamers wanted to be in the first place? Then later in 2021 (November?) Alder Lake the 12th-gen Intel processor will be introduced with a possible 16 cores and 24 threads. A much "larger rectangular Intel chip" in overall dimension then the current 11th generation and in the process later this year forcing again all new mobo architectures and perrihials. Get money ready. No current AIO footprints will apparently fit it nor cool the Alder Chip. Life however is good!

So, this is some kind of hybrid chip or something where 8 cores are running single thread? ;-p

As to the new Intel offerings with PCIe, they are no better than AMD's AM4 when it comes to number of PCIe lanes on offer from the CPU. So, one (and ONLY one) PCIe x 16 slot, (might have the option for two x 8s...) and probably only one PCIe x 4 M.2 fron the CPU.

Everything else will have to share lanes from the chipset. M.2s, SATAs, USBs whathaveyou.

Want to RAID your NVME drives? Run GPUs in SLI or xFire? Fuggitaboutit. Wait for Xeon's to offer PCIe gen 4. Or, go with AMD's threadripper.

I really, REALLY do not like fanboism.

 

[gabelogan1324]

Nvidia is up selling simply because they were planning a response to AMD when their GPU drops. Nvidia saw that the 6800XT comes with 16GB of VRAM means that their upgrade SKU can come with 20GB. Nvidia already saw this coming so a simple doubling of VRAM is an easy answer. They also have plenty of chips not binned high enough for 3090 but too powerful for 3080 with a huge $800 price gap in between. It’s an easy fit to price it $899-1299 for the Ti variant.

I bet 3080 owners will feel shortchanged because many bought it for the 4K experience and 10GB is barely cutting it.

I am glad im still waiting for the 20 gig anyway. I was always waiting even when another variant of it was rumored and got scrapped.

 

[gabelogan1324]

This. When I seen that it's 10GB I laughed, why bother buying it? Save money, wait for Ti, Bobs ya uncle.

I have problems with 11GB with 1080ti for certain VRAM excessive tasks, holding out for this and saving that dolla'

100% agree

 

[Tom Sunday]

People WILL sell their 3080 and buy the Ti model. Nvidia sells more GPUs this way.

Yes you are 100% correct. It's all about the money. NVIDIA'S Mr. Huang (CEO) after Stanford University worked for AMD in a 'key executive' position getting even smarter. Now Huang is drawing down an annual salary of USD$26 million along with tax deferred stock options doubling this amount. Per Forbes he is one of the most highly paid CEO's in America. He is also a bilionare 6-8 times over. His recent purchase of "Arm Holdings" for a cool US$40 billion was another big money move enabling NVIDA now to making CPU's. Hello INTEL and AMD. Back in Taipei Huang was asked about the ARM aquisition and said: "Don't get me wrong we love the GPU business but now it's time to go where the big money is and frying bigger fish." In turn I drive a forklift for a living so what do I know?