Bethesda exec Pete Hines apologized to PS5 owners for Starfield's Xbox exclusivity

DZillaXx

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I don't disagree with the purchase, like I already said, it was inevitable since MS cannot grow or raise a new studio that can produce great AAA games as proven by the last almost 10 years, but Sony can. So MS because of it's ineptitude, but also because of it's big bucks, buys them already established, by the dozen. That's one way of trying to fix their problem...

In e perfect world only we, the users would win and we would have every game on every platform at the lowest cost, but we don't live in that world so these exclusives / platform are a necessary evil, so I accept them.

What I want is irrelevant (for Sony to have as many studios as MS has), but what is relevant is that Sony with it's 14 studios (those are 1st party only + some few 2nd party) has already proven they can produce at least a dozen great games in 1 generation, MS proved nothing yet and we still have only promises and hopes, even now. So until MS actually scores with the 1st new AAA game, it's all hopes and dreams.
MS has 23 or 24 studios now (rumored to be buying more) and Sony 14 (plus 2nd party ones). It may look like an advantage for MS, but it's no advantage if they don't make more great games or as least as many as Sony does...
It's not about the quantity, but the quality and Sony proved they know how to chose talented studios which some of them release hit after hit after hit.

The same story is being told since PS1, that Sony is too little to last vs the giants, or they will fail, etc. Did not happen and won't happen.

Like AMD, Sony is proving (to everyone else) that just throwing money at the problem is not the best/only answer, you also need smarts and I'm not talking normal levels, but super-smarts. So they make very smart investments and decisions and the last x number of years proved it works.

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Also here is a question for everyone: unless you own stock in those companies (just for the record I don't own any stock in anything), why would you want the big players to roflstomp the smaller ones? Why would someone want MS, or Apple, or Google, or Facebook to destroy everyone else and they alone to dominate in their field?

I will never side with the big guys, there are many more negatives of them winning than Sony, or Nintendo, or AMD (vs Intel and nvidia for that matter) winning.
If you go back to the 360 era, it was crazy to think Sony would ever get back on top. MS had nothing but major hits on their hands. It was the console to use if you enjoyed online play having all the major online games at the time. Halo, Gears, COD, etc. Xbox Live was the gold standard for multiplayer at this time, and have options like click to join game well before other services like steam incorporated it.

PS3 at this point in time lacked features, most 3rd party games looked and/or ran worse on the PS3. The controller's analog sticks are still known for the horrid deadzone. It really was a failure for Sony, and the system only really caught on near the end of the life cycle. Mostly in Europe. As a early PS3 owner I remember having to quit games just to read a message.

Times change. We already know what MS did to screw over their market share. If you don't think anything is going to come out of MS spending this kind of money you'd be wrong. During the 360 era MS didn't want much to do with the xbox division. Other than a handful of games the MS game studios were not well funded, and poor management kept pulling them in different directions. Kinect enforcement pretty much accounted for nearly half a decade of crap/games that never saw daylight. 3 years from now I'd expect a pretty heathy lineup of upcomming games from MS studios in full force.

Sony has had really great release pacing with AAA games over the last decade. It played heavily into the success of PS4.
 

mbrowne5061

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I think I remember that they were a bit cryptic, but implied established series would probably be good, but new series would probably be kept exclusive.
That was my recollection as well. FO5? ES6? Probably going to be multi-platform. Starfield? I believe that was their way of warning us about this exclusivity, without having to commit themselves to it just yet (if XSX had truly, completely flopped, you can bet Starfield would have been offered on PS5).
 

Xex360

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Sony doesn't apologise for making their games exclusive to their consoles.
Microsoft at least aren't limiting their games to their console and launching them on PC, giving access to more people, plus on PC the games look much better unlike on consoles where you are stuck with the settings set by the developers, and then the performance.
 

DZillaXx

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That was my recollection as well. FO5? ES6? Probably going to be multi-platform. Starfield? I believe that was their way of warning us about this exclusivity, without having to commit themselves to it just yet (if XSX had truly, completely flopped, you can bet Starfield would have been offered on PS5).
I would expect ES6 to be a timed exclusive to PC and Xbox.
 

Aceseven

Posts: 63   +120
Who cares, snag a pc or xbox then and be happy, nintendo doesnt give any of its big titles away and no one makes a peep.

if needing to focus on specific systems helps make a great game then so be it, I'd rather have that than another cyberpunk dumped on us.
 

terzaerian

Posts: 981   +1,419
I have complete contempt at this point for everyone involved: Sony, Microsoft, and Bethesda.

Sony because they're the festering boil on the *** of gaming, Microsoft because they're a dystopian megacorporation, and Bethesda for doubling down on the catastrophe that is MMO Fallout, selling out to Microsoft, and their pathetic attempts to monetize modding.
 

DZillaXx

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Technically speaking, it's not an exclusive of Xbox if you can play it on pc too. Which is a good thing, off course.
Xbox is an ecosystem. Both Windows PC's and MS's own Xbox Consoles are all apart of the greater Xbox ecosystem.

Granted it isn't much of an Xbox exclusive if it hits steam or epic store at the same time as Gamepass/Xbox Store. But I'm guessing MS will keep it on MS services even on PC as a timed exclusive.
 

Kosmoz

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If you go back to the 360 era, it was crazy to think Sony would ever get back on top. MS had nothing but major hits on their hands. It was the console to use if you enjoyed online play having all the major online games at the time. Halo, Gears, COD, etc. Xbox Live was the gold standard for multiplayer at this time, and have options like click to join game well before other services like steam incorporated it.

PS3 at this point in time lacked features, most 3rd party games looked and/or ran worse on the PS3. The controller's analog sticks are still known for the horrid deadzone. It really was a failure for Sony, and the system only really caught on near the end of the life cycle. Mostly in Europe. As a early PS3 owner I remember having to quit games just to read a message.

Times change. We already know what MS did to screw over their market share. If you don't think anything is going to come out of MS spending this kind of money you'd be wrong. During the 360 era MS didn't want much to do with the xbox division. Other than a handful of games the MS game studios were not well funded, and poor management kept pulling them in different directions. Kinect enforcement pretty much accounted for nearly half a decade of crap/games that never saw daylight. 3 years from now I'd expect a pretty heathy lineup of upcomming games from MS studios in full force.

Sony has had really great release pacing with AAA games over the last decade. It played heavily into the success of PS4.
Since I do game on both PC and PS, I'm not blinded by one or the other, so I do want MS to make some great new games, because competition is good. At the same time I don't want them to win, either.

My perfect scenario would be a fierce battle between great games from MS and Sony, but with Sony winning by at least a small degree (a few more games better than MS + more sales) in the end.

This scenario is good for everyone, because MS would be considered as being back in the fight, on an upward path and Sony would not be in real financial trouble either... but hey this is my wishful thinking, although for Sony's prediction this is based on the last 8 years of winning, so some truth is there to support it as being possible...
 

DZillaXx

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This scenario is good for everyone, because MS would be considered as being back in the fight, on an upward path
MS has been for a long time "Back in the fight".

In America the Xbox has pretty well established market share, and in the Midwest at least its around 50/50. Mostly due to the fact that the 360 was such a big deal in this part of the country and PS3's were not common place.

Both Sony and MS can't keep up with demand. And the only current market lead for next gen consoles is because of production advantages.
 

MaitieS

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I agree with Todd with: "best deal ever for gamers"

Sony games can be played on: PS5

Xbox games can be played on: Xbox, PC, Mobile and soon on Streaming devices so perhaps TVs will have Xbox app available as well (thanks Apple).

So yeah, it definitely is the best deal ever for gamers because if the roles would be reversed it would be hell on Earth.

PS: Yeah I know about "Sony games being ported on PC but after a few years so we can not compare DAY 1 availability = 3 years or never later.
 

Tantor

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Actually, Microsoft has been the most tolerant and open company. I can still run DOS programs from the 1980's. You sure can't say that about Apple or Sony products.

This is just part of competition. It is precisely this sort of thing that gets the competitive creative energies flowing. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony buys Valheim (Coffee Stain studios) and massages it into a big PS exclusive, complete with DLCs and an extended ecosystem. All it takes is money.

I hope Microsoft lights a massive fire under Bethesda's rear end, so they finally come out with ES6. Bethesda could have made hundreds of millions with just a few decent DLCs for Skyrim. Instead they force their customers onto their online platform.

One thing is for sure. Computer gaming is only going to grow and become more interesting.
 

Tantor

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I agree with Todd with: "best deal ever for gamers"

Sony games can be played on: PS5

Xbox games can be played on: Xbox, PC, Mobile and soon on Streaming devices so perhaps TVs will have Xbox app available as well (thanks Apple).

So yeah, it definitely is the best deal ever for gamers because if the roles would be reversed it would be hell on Earth.

PS: Yeah I know about "Sony games being ported on PC but after a few years so we can not compare DAY 1 availability = 3 years or never later.

Well.... It's a rotten deal for Sony gamers. That's assuming Starfield is any good. If Starfield is meh, then Sony gamers can be thankful that they never had an opportunity to waste their money.

The bright side is that it forces Sony to come up with a competitive game, which advances the state of the gaming art.
 

MaitieS

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Well.... It's a rotten deal for Sony gamers. That's assuming Starfield is any good. If Starfield is meh, then Sony gamers can be thankful that they never had an opportunity to waste their money.

The bright side is that it forces Sony to come up with a competitive game, which advances the state of the gaming art.
Yeah you are right if Starfield will suck Sony will be like: LMAO Xbox you fools
If Starfield will be great: NO! MS You cant do that! (meanwhile they are totally horny for Sony exclusives) :D

but tbh. Starfield looks really interesting but we still need to wait at least 1 year for gameplay trailer. Bethesda is not that horrible company. The issues are mostly just bugs. Sure Fallout 76 was a disaster but every company has a right for a shitty game. The issue is when they will be like: Oh so let's just release buggy mess from now on.
 

EdmondRC

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I'm all for less exclusive titles. I don't think that your choice of console and ecosystem should have to come to basically, "what titles will I be missing out on if I go with 'x'?" But, with the onset of streaming media, exclusives are, unfortunately, where everything is going. And Sony thrives off their exclusive ecosystem more than most. So I can't say I blame MS for pulling Bethesda (at least some) titles from PS. Though, I really wish it had gone the other way and that we'd see fewer exclusive titles. That being said, big kudos for MS, PC support, day 1 releases on Gamepass, and many other things that MS Xbox division is doing right at the moment.
 

Kosmoz

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MS has been for a long time "Back in the fight".
I was stressing more about exclusives, in my post above. My bad, if I worded it wrong.

So far MS is in no fight when it comes to that, but only promises. It will be in the fight when it manages to actually deliver the 1st good new AAA game from it's 1st party studios... and then and only then we actually have something to talk about.

Sony has been competing with itself in best exclusives for years now, their 1st party studios are competing with each other and besting each other.
 

NeoMorpheus

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Wait, wait, wait.

The Sony fanbois praise their exclusive games, same for the publications, sites, etc.

But MS does it and suddenly its a bad thing?

Apologizing to sony fans?

That dude should quit and go to sony if he loves them that much.
 
Wait, wait, wait.

The Sony fanbois praise their exclusive games, same for the publications, sites, etc.

But MS does it and suddenly its a bad thing?

Apologizing to sony fans?

That dude should quit and go to sony if he loves them that much.
If we are being honest here, It's not exactly the same. Bethesda games used to be on PS. That said, I think Bethesda games should be exclusive to Xbox from now on
 

NeoMorpheus

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If we are being honest here, It's not exactly the same. Bethesda games used to be on PS. That said, I think Bethesda games should be exclusive to Xbox from now on
Assuming the contracts wording, after paying 7+ billions bucks, I would cancel all PS games and make them exclusive to xbox and pc.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 

OptimumSlinky

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I think I remember that they were a bit cryptic, but implied established series would probably be good, but new series would probably be kept exclusive.
MS said it would honor all current multi-platform agreements and exclusivity contracts, but would go on a case by case basis for new games moving forward.

So Deathloop will still come to PS5 first, but Starfield will be Xbox exclusive and ES VI will almost certainly be as well.

As far as Sony fans bitching about ES VI, Morrowind was Xbox exclusive, Oblivion was Xbox 360 timed exclusive... Skyrim was the only one that came to PlayStation at launch.
 

Bamda

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Did anyone not see this coming? You don't spend $7.5 billion to have your competitor enjoy the fruits of your labor. MS wants to make Game Pass the go-to gaming platform. This is just another reason why I am so glad I am a PC gamer, so I won't have to ask if it's coming to my platform, it usually is!
 

m4a4

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As far as Sony fans bitching about ES VI, Morrowind was Xbox exclusive, Oblivion was Xbox 360 timed exclusive... Skyrim was the only one that came to PlayStation at launch.
I've so far seen Sony fanboys try to convince themselves and others that the ES and Fallout suck and that they're better off not being on PS šŸ˜‚
 

Rdmetz

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Technically speaking, it's not an exclusive of Xbox if you can play it on pc too. Which is a good thing, off course.
It's called console exclusive and it's become essentially what is implied today when anyone speaks of "exclusives".

PC is slowly becoming neutral ground which is great but to act like a Sony console owner can still play atarfield without in someway paying into a microsoft system is very disingenuous Microsoft is fine with a windows pc gamer playing their games because it's still their world.

Sony is absolutely welcome their too as I'm sure they would even allow them to put games on their console if they wanted (and in fact already have).