Broadband engineer sick with Covid-19 after being spat at by 5G/coronavirus conspiracy...

[Nobodysfool]

Lmao. Our country doesn't even have 5G, yet we already have 10,000 confirmed coronavirus cases here.

 

[ShagnWagn]

If you can't use statistics then don't try to form arguments around them because people will just point out that you are wrong and you'll just get angry. Kinda like you are doing now.

I still don't know what your point is beyond the fact that you hate a new technology without trying to understand it. If you are that afraid of "bugs" then you should probably never fly or use banks. Astronauts should also never go into space and nuclear power plants are all just ticking bombs.

Autonomous cars are here to stay and they'll replace most of the regular driving done by humans. You'll have to one day deal with this simple fact.

FYI Self driving cars are now on the streets, not in "perfect environments". That testing phase ended years ago.

Exactly a great point about statistics. Using statistics to prove a point that 2-2=0 does not validate your entire point. LOL. When you say "eliminating humans will eliminate human errors" is an ID10TIC statement. I can do the same thing. You eliminate humans from driving and computer errors will be responsible for 100% of the errors. gee, that's a great argument! LOL.

No, I don't hate new technology. I hate it when people are so reliable on technology for their live that they blindly force it on others. How about this - if a "smart" device such as alexa every mis-interprets you, you die? I mean, computers never make mistakes, right?

Those astronauts go into space voluntarily. Is that an example you want to use? Nuclear plants ARE ticking time bombs in case you didn't know. Ever hear of Chernobyl or any of the other explosions? You know what? I can get away from them.

You are another person with a liberal mindset that thinks they can predict the future. lol. Do you also think we should have had flying cars by now?

 

[ShagnWagn]

You keep repeating this silly statement.

Who is being forced to buy a driver-less car?? You? Anyone you know?? And HOW are they being forced and by whom?? The government? The car companies?? The alien overlords?? Who is "forcing" those poor, oppressed people???

Sheesh, this is a tech forum where one expects people with a certain degree of intelligence to be discussing stuff, then we see such Trumpist statements!!

Uh, you are inserting words I never said. I never said "buy". We are being forced to drive around them. Care to try again without being hysterical and adding in words?

 

[Shadowboxer]

Exactly a great point about statistics. Using statistics to prove a point that 2-2=0 does not validate your entire point. LOL. When you say "eliminating humans will eliminate human errors" is an ID10TIC statement. I can do the same thing. You eliminate humans from driving and computer errors will be responsible for 100% of the errors. gee, that's a great argument! LOL.

No, I don't hate new technology. I hate it when people are so reliable on technology for their live that they blindly force it on others. How about this - if a "smart" device such as alexa every mis-interprets you, you die? I mean, computers never make mistakes, right?

Those astronauts go into space voluntarily. Is that an example you want to use? Nuclear plants ARE ticking time bombs in case you didn't know. Ever hear of Chernobyl or any of the other explosions? You know what? I can get away from them.

You are another person with a liberal mindset that thinks they can predict the future. lol. Do you also think we should have had flying cars by now?

You are so incorrect it’s amusing. Driverless cars are safer than human driven cars, no matter how much garbage you type. The facts and the studies have proven it and I trust those more than the ramblings of some guy on the internet who doesn’t really understand what they are talking about.

Get back online and start learning things before you continue to humiliate yourself any more.

Although I’m surprised you use computers. I’m guessing you don’t use banks, fly on planes, use trains, or do most things that humans do. In 2020.

You’re a dinosaur with a tiny brain. Evolve or get out of the way. These things are happening and we aren’t letting *****s like you stop us. You’re welcome.

 

[ShagnWagn]

You are so incorrect it’s amusing. Driverless cars are safer than human driven cars, no matter how much garbage you type. The facts and the studies have proven it and I trust those more than the ramblings of some guy on the internet who doesn’t really understand what they are talking about.

Get back online and start learning things before you continue to humiliate yourself any more.

Although I’m surprised you use computers. I’m guessing you don’t use banks, fly on planes, use trains, or do most things that humans do. In 2020.

You’re a dinosaur with a tiny brain. Evolve or get out of the way. These things are happening and we aren’t letting *****s like you stop us. You’re welcome.

We have something in common - each of us think the other is humiliating themselves. I use computers because an error won't kill me. Are you failing at reading comprehension on my past posts? Or are you selectively reading? When I professionally have been working on computers for 25 years, plus have significant knowledge with vehicle failures and repairs (I repair my own vehicles plus have restored a car from the ground up, have you?), I know what I'm talking about. I have three cousins and several friends who work at a dealership for brand new $80,000+ vehicles that are in for service. REPEATEDLY. People don't even change the oil in their cars and run on bald tires. This is common. you think people are going to bother keeping these extremely complicated self-wrecking systems in full maintenance? How can you think a computer plus hardware will never have a failure?? I wish I could believe in a perfect world as you do. "These things are happening". LOL. Another liberal mindset who thinks they can predict the future. Where are your flying cars? haha

Edit: "The facts and the studies have proven it" Are you going to share these "facts" or just keep making this up? You are basically saying if there was only one self-wrecking car on this world and it's only killed 5 people in 100 miles, that you would compare to how many human-caused deaths there are in the world. "Look, they are safer - it's for your own safety!"

 

[neeyik]

Microwave radiation and 5G are completely different things

One can't really say that they're completely different things, as all mobile phone, WiFi, etc signals are electromagnetic waves with frequencies that put them right into the microwave spectrum (300 MHz to 300 GHz).

The difference that is important is the power density and transmission method (and the two variables are often covariant): a milliwatt phone transmitter is nothing compared to a several 100W oven, and both pale in comparison to a kW transmitter. Likewise, a parabolic antenna used in a mast-to-mast transmission system will focus the signal, raising the intensity, whereas the omni-directional antenna used in a phone will reduce the signal.

Anyone daft enough to put themselves into the firing line of a feedhorn in relay is just asking to be cooked...

 

[Shadowboxer]

We have something in common - each of us think the other is humiliating themselves. I use computers because an error won't kill me. Are you failing at reading comprehension on my past posts? Or are you selectively reading? When I professionally have been working on computers for 25 years, plus have significant knowledge with vehicle failures and repairs (I repair my own vehicles plus have restored a car from the ground up, have you?), I know what I'm talking about. I have three cousins and several friends who work at a dealership for brand new $80,000+ vehicles that are in for service. REPEATEDLY. People don't even change the oil in their cars and run on bald tires. This is common. you think people are going to bother keeping these extremely complicated self-wrecking systems in full maintenance? How can you think a computer plus hardware will never have a failure?? I wish I could believe in a perfect world as you do. "These things are happening". LOL. Another liberal mindset who thinks they can predict the future. Where are your flying cars? haha

Well you best get out there and tell the worlds governments, large tech companies and car manufacturers that they have got it all wrong then!

Somehow, I get the impression that nobody’s going to listen to you haha.

 

[neeyik]

Also, this thread is getting very out of hand with some of the remarks about other people - it's perfectly easy to debate a point without resorting to insulting somebody.

 

[Shadowboxer]

One can't really say that they're completely different things, as all mobile phone, WiFi, etc signals are electromagnetic waves with frequencies that put them right into the microwave spectrum (300 MHz to 300 GHz).

The difference that is important is the power density and transmission method (and the two variables are often covariant): a milliwatt phone transmitter is nothing compared to a several 100W oven, and both pale in comparison to a kW transmitter. Likewise, a parabolic antenna used in a mast-to-mast transmission system will focus the signal, raising the intensity, whereas the omni-directional antenna used in a phone will reduce the signal.

Anyone daft enough to put themselves into the firing line of a feedhorn in relay is just asking to be cooked...

Sure and the lasers they use to bring down missiles aren’t completely different from those used in compact disc players. But it’s quite obvious why one is harmful and one isn’t.

 

[ShagnWagn]

Well you best get out there and tell the worlds governments, large tech companies and car manufacturers that they have got it all wrong then!

Somehow, I get the impression that nobody’s going to listen to you haha.

Yep, you are absolutely right! They could absolutely care less as long as they are making more money! This is common throughout all history.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Yep, you are absolutely right! They could absolutely care less as long as they are making more money! This is common throughout all history.

Lol, yup, all these institutions are evil and are willing to kill the public just to make a bit of cash.

Meanwhile, these institutions - governments of the world lock down their societies and cripple their economies and tax revenues because a virus with a 3.4% death rate is killing humans.

Yeah you haven’t got a clue pal...

 

[ShagnWagn]

Lol, yup, all these institutions are evil and are willing to kill the public just to make a bit of cash.

Meanwhile, these institutions - governments of the world lock down their societies and cripple their economies and tax revenues because a virus with a 3.4% death rate is killing humans.

Yeah you haven’t got a clue pal...

Yes, they are killing the public now. Are you now saying there is not a single death from these?

Again, you are claiming 3.4% death rate from the virus... Are you going to share where you are getting the claims you are making?

Yeah, you're right. Always right. Never wrong. We should never question anything you claim as fact (while also never sharing links). My 25 years of personal experience, as well as friends and family, with both computers and mechanics are nothing. You can stop replying now because we should think you are omniscient. You win! Pat yourself on the back! Have a nice day!

 

[cliffordcooley]

One can't really say that they're completely different things, as all mobile phone, WiFi, etc signals are electromagnetic waves with frequencies that put them right into the microwave spectrum (300 MHz to 300 GHz).

Especially when you consider frequency harmonics.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Yes, they are killing the public now. Are you now saying there is not a single death from these?

Again, you are claiming 3.4% death rate from the virus... Are you going to share where you are getting the claims you are making?

Yeah, you're right. Always right. Never wrong. I should never question anything you claim as fact (while also never sharing links). My 25 years of personal experience, as well as friends and family, with both computers and mechanics are nothing. You can stop replying now because we should think you are omniscient. You win! Pat yourself on the back!

3.4% is from the BBC website. I don’t know what the actual death rate is, No one does. It’s probably much lower.

Either way, these institutions clearly aren’t willing to sacrifice human lives to make money. In fact the opposite, they will destroy their incomes to save lives. These institutions are also funding huge amounts of research into autonomous vehicles because they have been proven to be safer and more efficient.

And I know I’m right, time will prove me right. When we do finally get self driving cars there will be a lot less deaths per mile than when humans were operating them. You will eat your words. If you’re still around by then.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Meanwhile, these institutions - governments of the world lock down their societies and cripple their economies and tax revenues because a virus with a 3.4% death rate is killing humans.

That would never have happened, if it wasn't for social media negativity propagation and panic.

 

[ShagnWagn]

3.4% is from the BBC website. I don’t know what the actual death rate is, No one does. It’s probably much lower.

Either way, these institutions clearly aren’t willing to sacrifice human lives to make money. In fact the opposite, they will destroy their incomes to save lives. These institutions are also funding huge amounts of research into autonomous vehicles because they have been proven to be safer and more efficient.

And I know I’m right, time will prove me right. When we do finally get self driving cars there will be a lot less deaths per mile than when humans were operating them. You will eat your words. If you’re still around by then.

Several pages later and you still have yet to give any kind of factual evidence than your hearsay. I was hoping to be enlightened but have been let down once again. The same old "I am always right but have no facts and you are always wrong" pro-autonomy rhetoric.

Are you sure you want to make the claim that institutions still aren't having people sacrificially work? Need even more evidence? Go visit a 3rd world country. Hear of slavery?

Well, believe whatever you want to believe. This is what I will leave you with: Do yourself a favor and go to your local car dealership. Talk to the mechanics and ask them if they think the cars they work on should have autonomy. For some reason I doubt you will for fear they will tell you no. I hope you do and have a real person-to-person conversation. Have a nice day.

 

[Puiu]

Exactly a great point about statistics. Using statistics to prove a point that 2-2=0 does not validate your entire point. LOL. When you say "eliminating humans will eliminate human errors" is an ID10TIC statement. I can do the same thing. You eliminate humans from driving and computer errors will be responsible for 100% of the errors. gee, that's a great argument! LOL.

No, I don't hate new technology. I hate it when people are so reliable on technology for their live that they blindly force it on others. How about this - if a "smart" device such as alexa every mis-interprets you, you die? I mean, computers never make mistakes, right?

Those astronauts go into space voluntarily. Is that an example you want to use? Nuclear plants ARE ticking time bombs in case you didn't know. Ever hear of Chernobyl or any of the other explosions? You know what? I can get away from them.

You are another person with a liberal mindset that thinks they can predict the future. lol. Do you also think we should have had flying cars by now?

You have problems dude and it's not self-driving cars. You seem to be all about these crazy conspiracy theories that make no sense.

Statistically, these cars are safer. End of discussion. 2-2=0

You don't like to drive around them? There are many things that technology made obsolete over the years and you are next if you can't adapt. OK boomer?

 

[ShagnWagn]

You have problems dude and it's not self-driving cars. You seem to be all about these crazy conspiracy theories that make no sense.

Statistically, these cars are safer. End of discussion. 2-2=0

You don't like to drive around them? There are many things that technology made obsolete over the years and you are next if you can't adapt. OK boomer?

We all have problems "dude" (what makes you think I'm a dude anyway?). What conspiracy theory is that?

Thank you, you proved my point.

Uh, obsolete has nothing to do with this, or whatever your concept of obsolete is. Grasping straws. Are you going to reference horse and buggy? That is pretty a classic strawman fail.

 

[Burty117]

We all have problems "dude".

The last comment section we chatted on, you brought out the Bible quoting rubbish and told me the stuff I do in a video game is exactly the same stuff I'd do in real life.

In this article you're claiming all the studies and reviews on Self-Driving cars are wrong and 5G is bad with absolutely nothing to back those claims and ignoring the evidence and facts that currently do exist?

Are you okay? To be fair to you, I've been more argumentative since the lock down started, I guess it's affecting you as well?

 

[ShagnWagn]

The last comment section we chatted on, you brought out the Bible quoting rubbish and told me the stuff I do in a video game is exactly the same stuff I'd do in real life.

In this article you're claiming all the studies and reviews on Self-Driving cars are wrong and 5G is bad with absolutely nothing to back those claims and ignoring the evidence and facts that currently do exist?

Are you okay? To be fair to you, I've been more argumentative since the lock down started, I guess it's affecting you as well?

I don't recall saying you would do the same stuff in real life. Perhaps it was misinterpreted? Would you mind giving an exact quote where I said that?

I was asking for them to share studies and reviews for those cars. What article did they share that I said was wrong?
Would you mind giving an exact quote where I said that?
(hint: they didn't share any to back up their claims that I saw. I asked numerous times and they couldn't)

I never said 5G is bad.
Would you mind giving an exact quote where I said that?
You might have read where they said all cars should be on 5G and reliant upon it. My comment was not specifically about 5G, but putting all cars on the internet. One hacker and all cars are bricked and every car goes dead.

Being away from friends and loved ones might have a psychological impact. To be honest, I haven't thought about it. Not being able to go out and have fun may have influence on overall mood. Such as with a scale. Do prisoners in confinement? I'm not a psychologist so I don't feel I have any weight for an educated opinion or conversation. I am passionate about God, and autonomous car conversations because I care about people's safety. Two articles about it on here within a few days.

 

[king cleanass]

Rise up brothers, we must destroy industrial society.

 

[PEnnn]

LOL - These 'Trust the 5G rollout' people remind me of the security guard who slept by a radio station broadcast antenna to stay warm. He died. He received the Darwin Award.

"25 December 1998, Canada - Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. He was apparently attempting to keep warm next to a telecommunications feedhorn.... For his Christmas shift, Baker reportedly brought a twelve pack of beer and a plastic lawn chair, which he positioned directly in line with the strongest microwave beam. Baker had not been told about a tenfold boost in microwave power planned that night to handle the anticipated increase in holiday long-distance calling traffic. Baker's body was discovered by the daytime watchman, John Burns, who was greeted by an odor he mistook for a Christmas roast he thought Baker must have prepared as a surprise. Burns also reported to NMSR company officials that Baker's unfinished beers had exploded."

https://darwinawards.com/legends/legends1998-11.html

I know several Russians. They can tell you stories about why you should not trust the government or industry. The US founding fathers wrote reams on the issue.

You want to bet you can't even warm up a cup of coffee by placing it next to a 5G tower?? And, you can't use your microwave to make phone calls (I can bet you on that too!)

I hope the difference between them is a bit clearer to you now.....

 

[captaincranky]

LOL - These 'Trust the 5G rollout' people remind me of the security guard who slept by a radio station broadcast antenna to stay warm. He died. He received the Darwin Award.

You know, they used ro pump 1,000,000 watts to the final amps at broadcast TV stations. By the time it got to your antenna, the power was measured in milliwatts. So, at that power level, it was les dangerous than the cathode ray tube in the TV. A CRT puts out X-rays but the glass of the screen is leaded. Yet still, people were told not to sit so close, for safety's sake.

"25 December 1998, Canada - Telephone relay company night watchman Edward Baker, 31, was killed early Christmas morning by excessive microwave radiation exposure. He was apparently attempting to keep warm next to a telecommunications feedhorn.... For his Christmas shift, Baker reportedly brought a twelve pack of beer and a plastic lawn chair, which he positioned directly in line with the strongest microwave beam. Baker had not been told about a tenfold boost in microwave power planned that night to handle the anticipated increase in holiday long-distance calling traffic. Baker's body was discovered by the daytime watchman, John Burns, who was greeted by an odor he mistook for a Christmas roast he thought Baker must have prepared as a surprise. Burns also reported to NMSR company officials that Baker's unfinished beers had exploded.".

You know, you can't stick your head in your microwave oven either. Should you put a can of beer in that same oven, it will short out the magnetron as well. And that's why they put a shut-off interlock on the ovens, and also the protective mesh on the door glass, So basically, the oven chassis itself, is naught but a Faraday cage, preventing the escape of radiation, rendering it for all intents and purposes, harmless.

Point source radiation follows the "inverse square law", (LASERS being the obvious exception), which basically says that if you double the distance the beam covers four times the area. It logically follows that that if you stand directly in front of a 5G emitter array, b!tching about it long enough, then it probably is dangerous. But, the intensity of the radiation falls of dramatically with distance. So, if you just go about your business somewhere away from it, then it's likely is harmless. (See "inverse square law" above, and yes, I'm aware that focusing a beam modifies the effect).However, if you cellphone were getting the full output from the emitters, it would probably burn your hand every time you got a phone call. Even the GPS signal would likely warm it up a bit as well. (Not to mention voiding your warranty).

Hell, if you really want to show how dedicated you are to the cause, you could martyr yourself by having your "co-imbeciles", (sorry, I meant "co-conspirators") lash you to the tower in a Jesus on the cross posture. However, don't expect me to mourn your passing.

I know several Russians. They can tell you stories about why you should not trust the government or industry. The US founding fathers wrote reams on the issue.

I'm fascinated by how you managed to turn examples of two truly stupid human beings, into a government conspiracy, while casually revealing "you know Russians"

I'm also doing some serious introspection as to why I'm bothering to respond to it.

 

[FG877]

I must say I do not trust 5G.
They have not tested it in the capacity it will be used - thats a fact you cannot dispute.
Beam forming, will create a stronger exposure or dose to radiation.
Non ionising radiation is dangerous if you are within a certain distance for a certain time which begs the question why are they putting these on shops, streets and outside schools.
There have been reports from wuhan that people have skin blisters, darkening skin, renal failure, blood in there fecal matter, organ failure, long term damage and the average time from exposure to minor recovery pretty much mirrors radiation - 2 days upto a month for survivors with lasting damage.
Now whatever your bias, do you not agree that with no isolated covid 19 to prove it is what they say it is- I find this very very interesting.

 

[Burty117]

Beam forming, will create a stronger exposure or dose to radiation.

Beam forming has been part of 99% of WiFi routers in the last 10 years?!

Sorry, you need to stop spreading your lies, this is getting ridiculous. Just re-read what you put, just think about the technology we already have in place, 4G LTE, WiFi, DAB, Digital TV, FM/AM, 3G and 2G are still broadcast ffs.

Can you explain why you're not scared of 4G cooking parts of your body but "you believe" 5G will?