BYD unveils ultra-fast EV charger, adding 250 miles of range in just 5 minutes

I'd even prefer it if EVs were less powerful as having 0-60mph times in under 5 seconds isn't something I need and just raises insurance costs.
Quick acceleration is a function of electric motor technology: nearly instant full power (vs combustion which has to work up to it). So once you build the e-motor to meet the max power needed for normal driving (e.g., highway speeds up a hill), your acceleration will be quite good.
You could artificially limit it, but most buyers wouldn't like that. Perhaps if there was a guaranteed and substantial insurance saving some people would, but I doubt most insurance discounts would be that much for only limiting acceleration.
 
The difference is Europe is much smaller than the US. It is 878 miles just to cross Texas. That would take you from Rome to Paris or Paris to Portugal. One of my common 600+ mile trips is between cities in adjoining states. I'm not going "far" I'm visiting a neighboring state. It is much more difficult to cover so much land mass with fast chargers - especially the more rural/agrarian places.
I've actually driven all over the US, though I haven't been through New England or the northern part of Alaska, so I know it fairly well but I'll quickly point out that Europe is actually larger than the US. If you regularly drive 600 mile trips then obviously EVs are not for you, it doesn't mean that current EVs are bad.
 
No.

Lidar is an absolute nacessaty for self driving. This is basic science.
Whether or not that is true is completely beside the point. Mark's video is dripping with bias and conflict of interest. If it can be shown that LiDAR is necessary, great. But this Luminar-sponsored advertisement is not where that information should be coming from.
 
I'm guessing this is done with much higher voltages? I cant imagine pushing 1000kw using 400v architectures. Even 800v batteries struggle to maintain 300kw. Heat at this speed is no joke.

Charging tech this fast would be so close to gas fill up times that it would completely solve one of the three big EV problems, that being charge speed, range, and battery maintenance. Charging speeds that fast also mean it's less necessary to have 600+ mile range batteries for long distance, making current EV range more practical.

People used to say the same thing about phones. "who needs faster charging, I can just plug it in overnight". How many people do you know that still use those dinky 5w chargers? EVERY phone has fast charging, even cheap low end phones like the moto g support 15w charging.

Of course, the actual logistics of supporting such chargers are an entirely different animal. Getting even a couple MW of charging power for a freight facility is enough to make most electric utilities recoil in disgust.
BYD says it's 1,000V.
 
Meanwhile...in America...liberal anarchists and arsonists are literally setting fire to Tesla dealerships, threatening Tesla owners, keying their cars (unbeknowingly being recorded doing so ) and driving up insurance rates for all of us whether you have an EV or not.
There is zero proof that it's liberals that set the fires. No one has been caught. And as far as "unbeknowingly" goes, do you mean unknowingly or unbeknownst?
 
BYD says it's 1,000V.

Perhaps a step down converter somewhere in the car that distributes lower voltages but with extremely higher currents. Battery's need serious cooling or worse possible cause happens - thermal run-away and your car + the rest around it is completely toast.

You can deep charge a battery bank big enough with higher ratings. But it has to be distributed evenly. Then the questions comes which power grid is capable of putting down a 12 car load point and being used at several times of the day(s).

In the west there are problems with power already. Some area's completely filled up to the notch even causing power outtages. We're still a decade away from something practically like this.
 
Imagine having to go to a station to fill up your vehicle every several hundred miles.

95% of the typical EV's refueling is done at home while the owner sleeps. That's why many people want to buy an EV.

I have four gas cars and one EV. The EV spends the least time over the course of a year at a station filling up, and is driven the most miles of all of them, by far.
I'm sure taking that EV around the corner and back to your house is the reason you don't find yourself charging it as much....lol
 
I guess everyone's use case is different. Perhaps once or twice a year I might drive more than 300 miles in a day and for these rare trips I'd be happy to wait 40 mins while I have lunch and stretch my legs. The rest of the time I'd just wake up, unplug my EV and drive off from home with a full tank which means I'd never be queuing for gas or paying for gas. Plus the maintenance is minimal on EVs (it's mostly just tyres and windscreen wiper replacements) so there's the time and cost savings there.


If you can't charge at home or if you regularly drive more than 300 miles a day then EVs won't be for you. Most EV owners just charge at home so they wake up everyday to a full tank. I guess there must be some reason why EV drivers are content to pay $7 to fill their tanks, to pay almost nothing for maintenance (except consumables) and to have super car performance if they floor it. I guess you're not one of these.


I don't think the problem is with EVs but with the charging infra structure in your country. In most of Europe there's no issue finding a charger.

This is such a strange argument. You’re basically saying why make something so convenient it essentially eliminates the main barrier to adoption, when I personally do not mind the huge inconvenience and will go out of my way to accommodate massive drawback of the current technology.
 
This is such a strange argument. You’re basically saying why make something so convenient it essentially eliminates the main barrier to adoption, when I personally do not mind the huge inconvenience and will go out of my way to accommodate massive drawback of the current technology.
I'm guessing manufacturers survey the market before building their products. Tesla cars offer a range of between roughly 300 and 450 miles. I guess they figure adding the extra weight of a huge battery will affect the efficiency of the vehicle, it's handling and it's cost. It also means more space inside the vehicle is taken up by the battery which means less space for your legs etc. Out of curiosity I googled the average daily mileage for americans and it's between 50 and 70 miles so perhaps EV manufacturers made the correct decision.

If you do want a 600 mile EV then you'll have to get a Chinese EV and pay the tariffs. If you're avoiding Tesla then the Lucid Air Grand Touring comes close with a 5oo+ mile range but they do cost $110K.
 
No, stating facts that apply IS the scientific process, to explore and test ALL options.

Lidar and cameras share one huge problem as far as self driving cars go, rain and snow render BOTH mostly ineffective.

I've never understood the current public discourse about most tech these days. If you like an idea, you latch on to it, promote it, and destroy opposition to it.

Wait, come to think of it, that's how politics is practiced today as well!

We NEED to go back to being allow to discuss pros and cons of everything. Cheerleading and winner take all gets in the way of EVERYTHING.

Musk is no different.....hero to devil due only to politics.
I seem to remember MBA seminars 15 years ago.....something about turning brands into religions and users into ambassadors (read: zealots).
The arguments people bend over backwards for just to argue in-favor of stunted technology is just so bizarre to me.

This is a tech site. If you are arguing for lesser tech, you're not one of us.
Liking tech doesnt mean you have to wholesale embrace all technology without any criticism. That is what we call, if we're being charitable, obsession. Personally I fell it's closer to zealotry.
There is zero proof that it's liberals that set the fires. No one has been caught. And as far as "unbeknowingly" goes, do you mean unknowingly or unbeknownst?
Uh huh. There's no proof that I'm eating all the cookies in the cookie jar, but my weight keeps going up. Must be the russians.

Cmon now. We have left leaning websites full of people calling for the destruction of teslas, we've seen none of this behavior BEFORE the election, and we know the same group wasn't afraid to burn their own cities down 5 years ago.

Common sense, so rare it's a super power!
Perhaps a step down converter somewhere in the car that distributes lower voltages but with extremely higher currents. Battery's need serious cooling or worse possible cause happens - thermal run-away and your car + the rest around it is completely toast.
Why would you step DOWN the voltage? That's the opposite of what you want. The higher the voltage, the lower the amperage you need to reach a rated charge speed, and the less heat produced.
This is why kia's 800v EV6, despite having a 20kW slower charging rate then the model 3, can go from 10 to 80% in 15 minutes, when the tesla 3 with a similar sized battery needs 41 minutes. When charging, going from, say, 10 amps to 5 amps results in 1/4th the heat, not half.
You can deep charge a battery bank big enough with higher ratings. But it has to be distributed evenly. Then the questions comes which power grid is capable of putting down a 12 car load point and being used at several times of the day(s).

In the west there are problems with power already. Some area's completely filled up to the notch even causing power outtages. We're still a decade away from something practically like this.
Well, we have fission, but that gives some people the big sad, so instead we'll have the rolling brownouts and have to put battery walls in every home.

The competency crisis knows no bounds. If I ever get a house with some land you bet I'll be putting up solar panels and battery packs because I have little conviction that we'll be able to maintain our infastructure over the next 30 years.
BYD says it's 1,000V.
Interesting. So it's maxing out the CCS standardfor voltage. At 1000v, to hit a MW it would need to push 1000 amps.

That's.......a lot. The current CCS standard is maxed at 1000V350A. Most current high speed Tesla chargers have 500A cables. So the kia EV6, which is 800v, hits 230kW charging, which is 287 amp. And Mercedes Benz ran into issues implementing their 500kW charging, requiring liquid cooled cables. I dont see this megawatt charging being sustainable.

 
BYD claims its new flash charging platform significantly surpasses Tesla, delivering approximately 250 miles of range in just five minutes, or fully charging a vehicle in under eight minutes at rates reaching one megawatt (1,000kW).
It's true that it passes Tesla's Superchargers, but not their Megachargers. Their Megachargers also charge at 1 kV/1kA, and they've existed for over a year: https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1...werhouse-for-the-semi-and-possibly-cybertruck

The caveat is that Tesla doesn't have any consumer vehicles that can charge off of this infrastructure yet. It seems that the Cybertruck may be able to eventually, but it obviously isn't the case now. That said, BYD also doesn't have any vehicles that can charge at this rate either; this was simply an unveiling.
 
Interesting. So it's maxing out the CCS standardfor voltage. At 1000v, to hit a MW it would need to push 1000 amps.

That's.......a lot. The current CCS standard is maxed at 1000V350A. Most current high speed Tesla chargers have 500A cables. So the kia EV6, which is 800v, hits 230kW charging, which is 287 amp. And Mercedes Benz ran into issues implementing their 500kW charging, requiring liquid cooled cables. I dont see this megawatt charging being sustainable.

China doesn't use CCS, they have their own standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB/T_charging_standard
 
Considering WHERE this is manufactured, even if you could purchase one in the USA, I doubt these would pass the NHTSA for safety standards.
Plus, THAT much energy stored in a LiOn battery + super duper fast charging is a tiny little BOMB waiting to go off.
 
Cmon now. We have left leaning websites full of people calling for the destruction of teslas, we've seen none of this behavior BEFORE the election, and we know the same group wasn't afraid to burn their own cities down 5 years ago.
It could just as easily be a federal worker fired by DOGE or a Veteran angry at DOGE cuts as well. You are too quick to assess blame.
 
I would rather live in the filthiest country than the one that treats its people like China.
Above all, except for 5% of their wealthy ones, their people are still slaves. They are afraid to say a word again Winnie the Poo.
It is the same sh*t people say about Russia and Putin. "Look how awesome and strong he is, look at traditional values and suppression of perverts Russians enjoy there."
Everything China achieved in the last 20 years was possible thanks to "filthy" Western countries, by the means of tech sharing or more often--theft.
You know is theirs though? Something they can truly pride themselves about?
Tens of millions starved, millions killed in concentration camps when communism was established.

I doubt you ever actually lived in China.
So you're just making assumptions.
The Chinese people continue to support their orderly society even if it's at the expense of a few troublemakers. that said: America is becoming the stereotype you believe about China. I could point out thousands of examples. Don't even get me started on the police. The Chinese cops don't carry guns. You won't hear about unarmed Chinese citizens being shot dozens of times for reaching for a wallet.
 
China doesn't use CCS, they have their own standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB/T_charging_standard
Interesting. According to this their "charge mode 4" is 1000v but only 250 amp.

I wonder exactly how they are going to quadruple that amperage and deal with the 16x increase in heat.
It could just as easily be a federal worker fired by DOGE or a Veteran angry at DOGE cuts as well. You are too quick to assess blame.
I'm capable of pattern recognition. A group says they are going to do X, after previously having done X 5 years ago, then X starts occurring in multiple cities at the same time. Gee I wonder who dunnit? Could it be the group of terminally online politically motivated people who have totally lost touch with reality and favor violence whenever someone disagrees with their message? It's a Scooby Doo Mystery!
I doubt you ever actually lived in China.
So you're just making assumptions.
The Chinese people continue to support their orderly society even if it's at the expense of a few troublemakers. that said: America is becoming the stereotype you believe about China. I could point out thousands of examples. Don't even get me started on the police. The Chinese cops don't carry guns. You won't hear about unarmed Chinese citizens being shot dozens of times for reaching for a wallet.
Well yeah, you're not going to hear about overreach of power from a one party Communist state with overwhelming control of their media and population. When being a dissenter gets you turned into an organ donation station, surprisingly lots of people support the State! Totally organic, not forced in any way.

On an unrelated note, you ever watch the commercials produced by the USSR? The ones showing the amazing food and cars and living conditions of the Soviet Union? Hmmm....
 
I've actually driven all over the US, though I haven't been through New England or the northern part of Alaska, so I know it fairly well but I'll quickly point out that Europe is actually larger than the US. If you regularly drive 600 mile trips then obviously EVs are not for you, it doesn't mean that current EVs are bad.
Only if you include Russia. ;) Which as a child of the Cold War, I do not.

On a more serious note, I'm guessing Russia doesn't have much in the way of EV charging infrastructure at least outside the major cities. Likely true for other Eastern European countries too. Thus, the compactness of Western Europe makes it easier for EV charging and travel by trains for that matter.

I never said EVs were bad, just bad for road trips in the US for the foreseeable future.
 
It could just as easily be a federal worker fired by DOGE or a Veteran angry at DOGE cuts as well. You are too quick to assess blame.

What has DOGE to do with actual veterans? Why is it that when government gets cut, the assumption is that you keep all of the "valuable" mid level managers and toss the first line care workers out the door?

If Elon kept X running after firing 80% of the staff, then there must not have been too many of them that were "essential". Anyone want to bet that the government has more useless employees who's only job is justifying their own jobs? Every single government employee is "VITAL" to it's operation?

If the sky is falling, and we're firing necessary people, it should be easy enough to find and actually show. Especially considering every cut DOGE made is published, which is more than you can say about the employees. None of this like the FAA or NASA cuts that were incorrectly reported. FAA personel cuts does NOT automatically mean the public is in danger. According to the head of American Airlines, the cuts have/had NO impact on safety. Just like the rest of the cuts.

P.S. Rehires don't count as mistakes if they were brought back to work because of a half dozen obscure judges.
 
Seriously though, do you need to charge at that rate? Most EV owners just plug in over night
Wealthy* owners. It works for the first adopters, people who buy them as luxurious toys.
But even today, that is not most EV owners. Millions live in apartments lacking the infrastructure.
And no, I believe they are on the right way trying to cut to the time it takes to fill a gas car.
The reason is, many people do not stop to take a break and have a coffee.
They stop to fill up the car and go back to work or other business.
EVs need to charged as fast as gas cars filled.
 
Wealthy* owners. It works for the first adopters, people who buy them as luxurious toys.
But even today, that is not most EV owners. Millions live in apartments lacking the infrastructure.
And no, I believe they are on the right way trying to cut to the time it takes to fill a gas car.
The reason is, many people do not stop to take a break and have a coffee.
They stop to fill up the car and go back to work or other business.
EVs need to charged as fast as gas cars filled.
'Tis a sad day if we think anybody who has a garage is "wealthy".
 
Wealthy* owners. It works for the first adopters, people who buy them as luxurious toys.
But even today, that is not most EV owners. Millions live in apartments lacking the infrastructure.
And no, I believe they are on the right way trying to cut to the time it takes to fill a gas car.
The reason is, many people do not stop to take a break and have a coffee.
They stop to fill up the car and go back to work or other business.
EVs need to charged as fast as gas cars filled.
One solution is to put cheaper charging spots into apartment parking areas. These aren't expensive like superchargers (or gas) but it may also be worthwhile to increase after maybe 6 hours to stop people hogging chargers. Here in the UK and I suspect most of Europe we have cheaper chargers built into many lamp posts and many work places with parking offer free charging spots. There is also a scheme where you can plug in at other peoples homes on their charger and pay a little over the odds for the privilege.

Having large batteries that can charge in minutes unfortunately costs more money. Saying that, charging a Tesla M3 from 10 to 80% takes about 25 mins (at a super charger) depending on model and that would give you a couple of 100 miles of range.

At the end of the day, you can always just stick with paying out for gas and vehicle maintenance.
 
Interesting. According to this their "charge mode 4" is 1000v but only 250 amp.

I wonder exactly how they are going to quadruple that amperage and deal with the 16x increase in heat.

I'm capable of pattern recognition. A group says they are going to do X, after previously having done X 5 years ago, then X starts occurring in multiple cities at the same time. Gee I wonder who dunnit? Could it be the group of terminally online politically motivated people who have totally lost touch with reality and favor violence whenever someone disagrees with their message? It's a Scooby Doo Mystery!

Well yeah, you're not going to hear about overreach of power from a one party Communist state with overwhelming control of their media and population. When being a dissenter gets you turned into an organ donation station, surprisingly lots of people support the State! Totally organic, not forced in any way.

On an unrelated note, you ever watch the commercials produced by the USSR? The ones showing the amazing food and cars and living conditions of the Soviet Union? Hmmm....


You must have missed the part where I said: I lived there as a student.
 
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