Company says it will replace creative workers with ChatGPT-like generative AI

What he was saying is that "The Arts" are for leisure.. and who has time for any of that when most People can't afford household supplies, or is trying to build a family, etc... Also, who has time for themselves, let alone time/money for non-productive people's aspirations...?
No, he said that he doesn't like "creative types" and that they don't produce anything that he values. I was pointing out that they produce a wide range of things that we consume, often without thinking about it. It's also worth remembering that creative types have to pay rent and buy toilet paper just like everyone else.

I'm sorry that you don't have time for books or other entertainment. Books are free at the library, but time isn't free.
 
What he was saying is that "The Arts" are for leisure.. and who has time for any of that when most People can't afford household supplies, or is trying to build a family, etc... Also, who has time for themselves, let alone time/money for non-productive people's aspirations...?
What I was saying is that there is a culture around creative people today that is toxic. They have a "you can't sit with us" attitude. You have to have certain political views to be accepted by that community and they're always trying to push those "views" into their art. From movies to music to books. lets look at the new starwars movies. Episodes 1, 2 and 3(I liked 3) were considered bad because of bad writing. Episodes 7, 8 and 9 were bad because they couldn't let starwars be starwars, they had to push all their diversity initiatives and inclusivity into it. They had to change something already good to push a political agenda. Then, everyone in the creative community had a circle jerk where they talked about how great they were and everyone who didn't like them were bigots.

I mean, at least James Camreon was honest about his Avatar movies being politically motivated so I could enjoy them.

As far as webcontent goes, everywebsite I goto feels like a rehash of another and for the most part, that's true. Most websites today are made from templates with a few colors adjusted.

And don't even get me started on modern music(hint, I'm started on modern music). Modern pop and rap is just mass produced garbage meant to print money for record labels. There are very few popular artists that I like and the ones I do like produce everything themselves. It's not like Nicki Minaj and Cardi B where a record label said "lets make her popular" and then hired a team of producers to write all their lyrics and music for her.

Going on to books, most of what I read is non fiction but I read a lot of sci-fi. Rather than criticize what I hate about modern books, I'm going to show how ignorant the creative types are of actual sci-fi masterpieces. I'm going to point to Dune where many 'creatives' said that was just another white man imperialist movie. Meanwhile, none of them seemed to be aware that Frank Herbert wrote the book with the intentions of showing how easy it is to use a cultures religion to manipulate and control them. The reason Paul Atreides in dune exiled himself was his regret for manipulating the Fremen to take back Dune for himself. He promised to turn Dune into an oasis for the Fremen but instead wanted to hold onto his wealth and power once he seized it back. I guess that story was too complex for the 'creative' types to understand and all the time studying Shakespare was wasted on them.

So I say let them be the ones who AI takes the jobs from first. They contribute almost nothing to society and a precedent needs to be set on the limits of AI in the work place. Someone has to lose their job in order for us to 1) see the true danger of AI taking peoples jobs and 2) upset an industry enough in order for their to be legal action to set a precedent over it. Let it be them.
 
At some point I think there will be a rebellion against all of those that choose to go this route, especially by professionals. Once these companies start feeling it in the pocketbook they will quickly reverse their decisions. No matter the benefits of AI, if it puts educated people out of work and their are no jobs to be found, there will be no money to be spent and the downfall begins ......

Nonsense, are you saying the last five decades of western economic policy is...wrong?
 
What I was saying is that there is a culture around creative people today that is toxic. They have a "you can't sit with us" attitude. You have to have certain political views to be accepted by that community and they're always trying to push those "views" into their art.
Yes, their (our) political agenda is to discourage bigotry and to accept people for who they are. That's been a very challenging topic for some people. When you say "creative" it sounds like you mean "liberal creative", right? Take Joe Rogan, for example. He's a creative, but he's also anti-vax, a science denier, and a racist. Frank Herbert was a creative.
 
What I was saying is that there is a culture around creative people today that is toxic. They have a "you can't sit with us" attitude. You have to have certain political views to be accepted by that community and they're always trying to push those "views" into their art. From movies to music to books. lets look at the new starwars movies. Episodes 1, 2 and 3(I liked 3) were considered bad because of bad writing. Episodes 7, 8 and 9 were bad because they couldn't let starwars be starwars, they had to push all their diversity initiatives and inclusivity into it. They had to change something already good to push a political agenda. Then, everyone in the creative community had a circle jerk where they talked about how great they were and everyone who didn't like them were bigots.

I mean, at least James Camreon was honest about his Avatar movies being politically motivated so I could enjoy them.

As far as webcontent goes, everywebsite I goto feels like a rehash of another and for the most part, that's true. Most websites today are made from templates with a few colors adjusted.

And don't even get me started on modern music(hint, I'm started on modern music). Modern pop and rap is just mass produced garbage meant to print money for record labels. There are very few popular artists that I like and the ones I do like produce everything themselves. It's not like Nicki Minaj and Cardi B where a record label said "lets make her popular" and then hired a team of producers to write all their lyrics and music for her.

Going on to books, most of what I read is non fiction but I read a lot of sci-fi. Rather than criticize what I hate about modern books, I'm going to show how ignorant the creative types are of actual sci-fi masterpieces. I'm going to point to Dune where many 'creatives' said that was just another white man imperialist movie. Meanwhile, none of them seemed to be aware that Frank Herbert wrote the book with the intentions of showing how easy it is to use a cultures religion to manipulate and control them. The reason Paul Atreides in dune exiled himself was his regret for manipulating the Fremen to take back Dune for himself. He promised to turn Dune into an oasis for the Fremen but instead wanted to hold onto his wealth and power once he seized it back. I guess that story was too complex for the 'creative' types to understand and all the time studying Shakespare was wasted on them.

So I say let them be the ones who AI takes the jobs from first. They contribute almost nothing to society and a precedent needs to be set on the limits of AI in the work place. Someone has to lose their job in order for us to 1) see the true danger of AI taking peoples jobs and 2) upset an industry enough in order for their to be legal action to set a precedent over it. Let it be them.
Tired of feminism, diversity, inclusivity and gender identity. This is just socialism of 21st century. Those views are everywhere now. I left Netflix because I just couldn't stand anymore those socialist views in practically every new production. Waiting for this pest to be over someday soon.

Hopefully TS won't delete my sincere viewpoint. I am hardcore capitalist.
 
Tired of feminism, diversity, inclusivity and gender identity. This is just socialism of 21st century. Those views are everywhere now. I left Netflix because I just couldn't stand anymore those socialist views in practically every new production. Waiting for this pest to be over someday soon.

Hopefully TS won't delete my sincere viewpoint. I am hardcore capitalist.
The feminist movement is older than you are, and I don't think you understand socialism.
 
Yes, their (our) political agenda is to discourage bigotry and to accept people for who they are. That's been a very challenging topic for some people. When you say "creative" it sounds like you mean "liberal creative", right? Take Joe Rogan, for example. He's a creative, but he's also anti-vax, a science denier, and a racist. Frank Herbert was a creative.
Thank you for bringing up vaccination! My father was a research scientist and was doing mRNA research in the 70s before all the Covid stuff happened. If you're vaxxed, his name is cited in the papers behind the jab in your arm. It infuriates me to no end that people don't want mRNA vaccines because they're "too new." They've been around for nearly 60 years, longer than the antidepressiants many of us are probably on.

The "liberal creative types" are actually not liberal or creative at all. They are the bigots. you said in a previous post about about how I don't use the internet, read, listen to music or watch movies. I'd be happy to continue this conversation if you want to, but you have to read my previous post. I put a lot of work into writing that. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I actually enjoy reading it because it makes me question my own opinions and see whether or not I wish to keep them. There is nothing wrong with changing one's opinion when presented with evidence to the contrary.

So I'm going to give you an opportunity. Take as much time as you need to write your thoughts out properly and I will read them honestly. I will not rebut. However, I will read everything you say and think about how it applies to my own opinions. Unless you want me to, we can continue this conversation privately if you wish
 
Tired of feminism, diversity, inclusivity and gender identity. This is just socialism of 21st century. Those views are everywhere now. I left Netflix because I just couldn't stand anymore those socialist views in practically every new production. Waiting for this pest to be over someday soon.

Hopefully TS won't delete my sincere viewpoint. I am hardcore capitalist.
That's not real socialism and we don't live in a real capitalist society anymore. Real capililism ended in the 70's when we moved away from the gold standard. The fall of the roman empire can be attributed to them reducing the amount of silver in the denarii. We have an economy built on debt. We can print as much money as we want and all that does is put the debt on latter generations. It's a generational ponzi scheme and after 50 years it's finally starting to fall apart. It's easily fixable but the american oligarchs who have amassed offensive amounts of wealth will never agree to that. We're very close to what happened in the late 1800's and early 1900's as far as wealth disparity goes. True capitalism ended sometime in the late 1990's and early 2000's.
 
Of course. It's cheaper and it does the job faster and it does it all the time and it will only get better with time. It was always obvious this is going to happen. The reason all those big heads want it slowed down is that it will also impact them. Nobody is going to be buying iPhones and Teslas when the people who were in the wage group that could afford them lose their jobs to AI that doesn't need anything. Oh and it's pretty much all jobs that require thinking or creative work. All people will be used for is physical labour and even that will eventually go when robotics catch up. It's an incredibly difficult thing to work out right now to be fair.
What if the chatbots lose access to the Internet, will they still do the job faster, in time, all the time? You know, we humans can do all kids of things, from small sabotages to all-out civil war if they push as hard enough; and guess who's heads will be under the guillotine in the end?
 
"Creative workers", an euphemism for all workers. The propaganda I've been hearing for decades from all political parties, was that they want to CREATE more jobs, not to destroy jobs, at least in Europe. Many European and from over the pond corporations have received lots of help, legal facilities and look-the-other-way's from the State and from the Law, the kind a simple individual who wants to open a small bussiness doesn't get, precisely because they came with the promise of creating lots of jobs after opening their factories, supermarkets, office buildings and whatnot.
Now, after getting all that help to fill their pockets with lots of money, surprise mechanics Pikachu! They have the nerve to tell us that they no longer need human workers? And we have to what, just shut up, "just buy it" because "it just works"?
 
For a Technology that will hallucinate two non existent norms for every correct one it lists in a given field people sure are expecting a lot from this tech.
I asked it to put some lists of relevant European norms for work and seriously I had to abandon the **** it GPT gave me. Numbers all wrong, non existent standards, just BS for what is an incredibly simple question.

It’s way, way too prone to being absolutely stupid in all the wrong places to be capable of replacing a human. A human I at least know which parts it finds hard when I’m doing quality control… the AI is stupid in the most absurd of places.

Don’t get me started on the art ones… ask them to give you an action scene or something with lots of people, I dare you.

We are not there yet. It’s semi interesting research, and fun to use at home. Trust it for work? Yea bugger off.
 
What if the chatbots lose access to the Internet, will they still do the job faster, in time, all the time? You know, we humans can do all kids of things, from small sabotages to all-out civil war if they push as hard enough; and guess who's heads will be under the guillotine in the end?
Yes, it will. Facebook's chatbot source code got leaked. You can basically run a chatbot on your pc without the Internet, which means you can have this permanent worker running of your own pc without access to the Internet. I am sure you can feed it information too to learn from it as well. If not yet you will be eventually. Everyone will have their own personal AI eventually, on their phone that learns based on their interests, that's the way I see it.
 
For a Technology that will hallucinate two non existent norms for every correct one it lists in a given field people sure are expecting a lot from this tech.
I asked it to put some lists of relevant European norms for work and seriously I had to abandon the **** it GPT gave me. Numbers all wrong, non existent standards, just BS for what is an incredibly simple question.

It’s way, way too prone to being absolutely stupid in all the wrong places to be capable of replacing a human. A human I at least know which parts it finds hard when I’m doing quality control… the AI is stupid in the most absurd of places.

Don’t get me started on the art ones… ask them to give you an action scene or something with lots of people, I dare you.

We are not there yet. It’s semi interesting research, and fun to use at home. Trust it for work? Yea bugger off.
Two years. Give it two years mate. 10 years ago most experts said we have 30 to 50 years to reach what chatGPT does right now. Imagin how much quicker this **** will improve if we are already at the place where most experts said it will take us 30 to 50 years to get to.

And whilst it can give incorrect answers it can also do work correctly in seconds that takes me hours if used correctly.
 
"Creative workers", an euphemism for all workers. The propaganda I've been hearing for decades from all political parties, was that they want to CREATE more jobs, not to destroy jobs, at least in Europe. Many European and from over the pond corporations have received lots of help, legal facilities and look-the-other-way's from the State and from the Law, the kind a simple individual who wants to open a small bussiness doesn't get, precisely because they came with the promise of creating lots of jobs after opening their factories, supermarkets, office buildings and whatnot.
Now, after getting all that help to fill their pockets with lots of money, surprise mechanics Pikachu! They have the nerve to tell us that they no longer need human workers? And we have to what, just shut up, "just buy it" because "it just works"?
Keeping economic inneffiencies for the sake of keeping jobs is silly. "computer" use to be a job where people would do math by hand. I don't think modern farmers are arguing with hydraulics. The fact of the matter is that if your job can be easily replaced and automated then it should be. No one is entitled to a job.
 
Keeping economic inneffiencies for the sake of keeping jobs is silly. "computer" use to be a job where people would do math by hand. I don't think modern farmers are arguing with hydraulics. The fact of the matter is that if your job can be easily replaced and automated then it should be. No one is entitled to a job.
"No one is entitled to a job". You must be an idealist, because the world is full of nepotism and lazy people "entitled" to their jobs. For example in the socialist, progressive and inclusive EU country (that starts with S) where I live and work, mediocrity is awarded and stupidity is tolerated and the chatbots won't take up many jobs any time soon, in the big corporations or factories with thousands of employees, because if they do, those jobless masses will burn down the cities, along with the politicians who let it happen. If there must be a change it has to happen slowly, not overnight because some greedy, old Corporate Commanders want a few more billions before they go meet their horned god.
 
Oh.... This should be good. Anybody have any popcorn? :laughing:
I have some Old Speckled Hen, is that good?
Yes, it will. Facebook's chatbot source code got leaked. You can basically run a chatbot on your pc without the Internet, which means you can have this permanent worker running of your own pc without access to the Internet. I am sure you can feed it information too to learn from it as well. If not yet you will be eventually. Everyone will have their own personal AI eventually, on their phone that learns based on their interests, that's the way I see it.
Sure, sure. Without access to the Internet you are all dead in the water, bots or humans.
 
"No one is entitled to a job". You must be an idealist, because the world is full of nepotism and lazy people "entitled" to their jobs. For example in the socialist, progressive and inclusive EU country (that starts with S) where I live and work, mediocrity is awarded and stupidity is tolerated and the chatbots won't take up many jobs any time soon, in the big corporations or factories with thousands of employees, because if they do, those jobless masses will burn down the cities, along with the politicians who let it happen. If there must be a change it has to happen slowly, not overnight because some greedy, old Corporate Commanders want a few more billions before they go meet their horned god.
I agree that nobody is "entitled" to a job but I do believe that private corporations should be heavily-regulated because, as we've seen, they're extremely prone to making decisions that damage the economy, the people and the planet.

I don't know what country you mean so I'll make a guess... Sweden?

EDIT: Your speckled hen reference actually makes me think more like Slovakia or Slovenia.
 
I have some Old Speckled Hen, is that good?
Sure, give me some and I'll give you some popcorn, then we'll have both! :laughing:
Sure, sure. Without access to the Internet you are all dead in the water, bots or humans.
Well, fortunately for me, I'm Generation-X which means that I grew up without the internet and ubiquitous mobile phones so I'd probably be ok. A lot of people born post-2000, yeah, they'd be screwed.
 
Keeping economic inneffiencies for the sake of keeping jobs is silly. "computer" use to be a job where people would do math by hand. I don't think modern farmers are arguing with hydraulics. The fact of the matter is that if your job can be easily replaced and automated then it should be. No one is entitled to a job.
It's one thing to take away tedious jobs from people like calculating and manual labor by replacing it with mechanized stuff. It's entirely different when you start taking away jobs that are meaningful to people like programming, writing, and art of any kind. If people aren't working because they can't get a job due to AI doing everything better faster and forever without any complaints humanity is done. People NEED jobs to live. They may not be entitled to one but they absolutely need one and it will be impossible to compete with AIs eventually.

You can say well we will make new jobs... right those will also get automated immediately.
 
It's one thing to take away tedious jobs from people like calculating and manual labor by replacing it with mechanized stuff. It's entirely different when you start taking away jobs that are meaningful to people like programming, writing, and art of any kind. If people aren't working because they can't get a job due to AI doing everything better faster and forever without any complaints humanity is done. People NEED jobs to live. They may not be entitled to one but they absolutely need one and it will be impossible to compete with AIs eventually.

You can say well we will make new jobs... right those will also get automated immediately.
If AI can do everything better than maybe we have to reevaluate how our economy works
 
I agree that nobody is "entitled" to a job but I do believe that private corporations should be heavily-regulated because, as we've seen, they're extremely prone to making decisions that damage the economy, the people and the planet.

I don't know what country you mean so I'll make a guess... Sweden?

EDIT: Your speckled hen reference actually makes me think more like Slovakia or Slovenia.
The economy has been broken for the entirety of human kind. The only time it remotely worked properly was between 1940 and 1970 and then it completely failed in 2008. I'm not calling for outright socialism but whatever this dumpster fire that we call capitalism is is not working. For human history we have relied on production based economies. If AI and automation can replace the human work force WE WILL have to think of how the economy works differently. I know I'm tired of living in this clown world. I got a significant raise this year but when adjusted for the cost of living I still make less than I did pre-covid.
 
If AI can do everything better than maybe we have to reevaluate how our economy works
100% this should happen. In theory with AI every person on Earth could live an amazing life. Just enjoy every second of it on this planet. Have meaningful experiences whatever they may be to each person. But people are greedy, especially the elites who are in charge of making these systems (board members, the people who are all about that profits the people who are funding all this)and I just don't see how this isn't going to be exploited to the max instead.
 
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