Dell Alienware AW3225QF 32" Review: Curved 4K 240Hz QD-OLED

[Disiw]

MPG version DOES - and is selling for $950…

Except it's not selling at all yet.

Also, MSI RMA is beyond trash if needed.

MSI is aggressive on monitor pricing because if they were priced on par, no-one would buy them. They are not a respectable brand in the monitor market. Early days for MSI monitors.

Dell will lower price when they are not the only company having one out. They always do. MSI will need to drop it even further if they want to sell any.

And this is why MSI dropped the price from 1200 to 950 even before the product launched. Delay after delay. They probably needed more time to fix broken firmware.

 

[Disiw]

DSC isn't a miracle, everyone acts like it's just some feature you can use to compress your data stream by over half and nothing happens.

I've had experience with 1440p 240Hz monitors switching to 4K 120Hz because it thinks a console is plugged in when because HDMI. It's not the fault of HDMI itself but the monitor manufacturer for keeping that feature of HDMI included at all. Had to delete literal "TV Resolutions" from the monitor. HDMI is for TVs, consoles and home theater setups. The connectors don't lock. There's royalties.

I'll rewrite that first part you wrote for you.
"Since the monitor has a problem with 4K 240Hz with DP 1.4a, it needs to use DSC." This would compress over half of your data stream. HDMI 2.1 is under half but it's still a lot.

Yes DSC is a miracle. Allowing for 240 Hz using both DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.1 at 4K/UHD.

DSC is visually lossless compression made by VESA ... >> Loseless Compression <<

That issue has nothing to do with DSC at all. Sounds like LG firmware issue. I bet it was LG.

You don't need DP 2.1 for 4K/UHD at 240 Hz. Thats why companies used DP 1.4 with DSC.

HP praised their monitor for being DP 2.1, yet they settled with UHBR10 which is not better than DP 1.4

Do you even know about UHBR? DP 2.1 is not just DP 2.1. There's different brackets and you need UHBR20 (and cable) which no GPUs and barely any monitor support.

UHBR10 and 13.5 is literally useless.

You need UHBR20 for 80 Gbps bandwidth.

 

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Except it's not selling at all yet.

Also, MSI RMA is beyond trash if needed.

MSI is aggressive on monitor pricing because if they were priced on par, no-one would buy them. They are not a respectable brand in the monitor market. Early days for MSI monitors.

Dell will lower price when they are not the only company having one out. They always do. MSI will need to drop it even further if they want to sell any.

And this is why MSI dropped the price from 1200 to 950 even before the product launched. Delay after delay. They probably needed more time to fix broken firmware.

Well, it IS selling… just out of stock… they’ll get more in soon (I’ve been told next week - will keep you posted)… while I agree MSI isn’t exactly a “prestige brand” in monitors, since they’re using the same panels as Asus and Dell, I figure it’ll be hard for them to screw this up - and every review I’ve read online confirms this.

If it sucks, I’ll return it and pick up the Asus

 

[Disiw]

Well, it IS selling… just out of stock… they’ll get more in soon (I’ve been told next week - will keep you posted)… while I agree MSI isn’t exactly a “prestige brand” in monitors, since they’re using the same panels as Asus and Dell, I figure it’ll be hard for them to screw this up - and every review I’ve read online confirms this.

If it sucks, I’ll return it and pick up the Asus

Who has one outside of a few reviews? First stock has not been delievered to any stores in EU at least

When it comes to OLED, firmware is crucial (dimming algorithm, VRR, HDR etc), so I will need to read in depth reviews before I will say they delivered

Lowering prices before it even releases, don't tell much

Lets hope, zero fanboy here, if MSI delivers on par with Dell and Asus, it will be a nobrainer at 950

Asus PG32UCDM yeah?

I might order all 3 when they are all in stock and compare them side by side.

 

[Skjorn]

Yes DSC is a miracle.

Right. OK. Ignoring you now.

lossless and uncompressed are two different words with two different meanings.

Lossless is just that, less lossy. It's not a miracle. It's still lossy...again folks...DSC is NOT a miracle. Jesus did not bring us DSC.

The issue I mentioned was never about DSC, don't know how you related those two.

Not even going to entertain the UHBR comment.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Right. OK. Ignoring you now.

lossless and uncompressed are two different words with two different meanings.

Lossless is just that, less lossy. It's not a miracle. It's still lossy...again folks...DSC is NOT a miracle. Jesus did not bring us DSC.

The issue I mentioned was never about DSC, don't know how you related those two.

Not even going to entertain the UHBR comment.

If you show 2 monitors to someone, one with DSC and one without, MAYBE 2% of people would notice a slight difference… MAYBE…

Maybe do some research instead of slamming people… or even better, show some sources of your own?

 

[Skjorn]

If you show 2 monitors to someone, one with DSC and one without, MAYBE 2% of people would notice a slight difference… MAYBE…

Maybe do some research instead of slamming people… or even better, show some sources of your own?

If it's such a miracle, why even come out with faster connectors? Why go from 25Gbps to 78Gbps? Can't believe you guys are even defending these screens for not using what's available. Compressing your data stream by 2/3 to your $1000 display because you're on an 8 year old connector when 2.1 has been out over 2 years now is ridiculous.
Didn't know I slammed anyone?

 

[Disiw]

If it's such a miracle, why even come out with faster connectors? Why go from 25Gbps to 78Gbps? Can't believe you guys are even defending these screens for not using what's available. Compressing your data stream by 2/3 to your $1000 display because you're on an 8 year old connector when 2.1 has been out over 2 years now is ridiculous.
Didn't know I slammed anyone?

Because 360 and eventually 480 Hz will come for 4K and DP 2.1 even with UHBR20 can't do 360 Hz or even close at 10 bit. DP 2.1 UHBR20 can't even do 280 Hz at UHD without using DSC. 4K at 240-260 Hz already is max for DP 2.1 with UHBR20 with 10 bit.

"Although DSC is mathematically lossy, it meets the ISO/IEC 29170 standard for "visually lossless" compression, a form of compression in which "the user cannot tell the difference between a compressed and uncompressed image."


DSC is here to stay and will be used on DP 2.1 as well - will be needed as refresh rate increases for UHBR20 - and is already needed on UHBR10 and 13.5

DP 1.4a is from 2018/2019 A new connector is not needed, unless its actually needed. Thats why most of these new monitors sticks with 1.4

Most, pretty much all, DP 2.1 monitors so far, uses UHBR10 or 13.5. Which essentially does nothing for you compared to DP 1.4. UHBR 10 and 13.5 can't do 240 Hz at 4K without DSC. Max is around 170-180 Hz.

I bet you knew nothing about UHBR.

DP 2.1 means nothing without stating actual bandwidth and DSC is still required on tons of DP 2.1 monitors. DSC is part of DP 2.1 spec.

 

[Skjorn]

Because 360 and eventually 480 Hz will come for 4K and DP 2.1 even with UHBR20 can't do 360 Hz or even close at 10 bit. DP 2.1 UHBR20 can't even do 280 Hz at UHD without using DSC. 4K at 240-260 Hz already is max for DP 2.1 with UHBR20 with 10 bit.

"Although DSC is mathematically lossy, it meets the ISO/IEC 29170 standard for "visually lossless" compression, a form of compression in which "the user cannot tell the difference between a compressed and uncompressed image."


DSC is here to stay and will be used on DP 2.1 as well - will be needed as refresh rate increases for UHBR20 - and is already needed on UHBR10 and 13.5

DP 1.4a is from 2018/2019 A new connector is not needed, unless its actually needed. Thats why most of these new monitors sticks with 1.4

Most, pretty much all, DP 2.1 monitors so far, uses UHBR10 or 13.5. Which essentially does nothing for you compared to DP 1.4. UHBR 10 and 13.5 can't do 240 Hz at 4K without DSC. Max is around 170-180 Hz.

I bet you knew nothing about UHBR.

DP 2.1 means nothing without stating actual bandwidth and DSC is still required on tons of DP 2.1 monitors. DSC is part of DP 2.1 spec.

Thanks for proving my point.
DP 1.4 is using the same speed as 1.3. Which is 10 years old now. 1.4 is 8 years old now. 2.0 came out in 2019. 2.1 is from 2022.

But keep defending using a connector that's had the same speed for 10 years. You lost that bet btw.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Thanks for proving my point.
DP 1.4 is using the same speed as 1.3. Which is 10 years old now. 1.4 is 8 years old now. 2.0 came out in 2019. 2.1 is from 2022.

But keep defending using a connector that's had the same speed for 10 years. You lost that bet btw.

If it’s still working fine, who cares about the age? I'm wearing shoes that make me run exactly the same speed as they did 35 years ago.... should I upgrade?

 

[Skjorn]

If it’s still working fine, who cares about the age? I'm wearing shoes that make me run exactly the same speed as they did 35 years ago.... should I upgrade?

Why don't you use a PC from 35 years ago then?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Why don't you use a PC from 35 years ago then?

Cause that doesn’t work fine…DP 1.4 still runs everything you can throw at it - when GPUs properly start supporting 4k @ 360hz+, then you can think about upgrading…
But even then, finding a game that will actually run at that speed at that res might take even longer.

 

[Skjorn]

Cause that doesn’t work fine…DP 1.4 still runs everything you can throw at It - when GPUs properly start supporting 4k @ 360hz+, then you can think about upgrading…
But even then, finding a game that will actually run at that speed at that res might take even longer.

Except it doesn't. Don't tell me when to upgrade, we are not the same. I'll put your shoes on and sprint the soles off.

DP 2.1 limit is like 4K 265Hz. These screens need 2.1. It's that simple. Go compress yourself by over 2/3 and tell me how it works out. If these were 8K 240Hz I could see the use DSC since we don't have connectors capable of those speeds yet. DSC is perceptible just not to bait fish.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Except it doesn't. Don't tell me when to upgrade, we are not the same. I'll put your shoes on and sprint the soles off.

DP 2.1 limit is like 4K 265Hz. These screens need 2.1. It's that simple. Go compress yourself by over 2/3 and tell me how it works out. If these were 8K 240Hz I could see the use DSC since we don't have connectors capable of those speeds yet. DSC is perceptible just not to bait fish.

You’ve already been shown in previous posts that DSC is lossless compression…. I defy you to tell the difference - especially at 4k @ 240hz…

Once the Nvidia 5090 comes out, MAYBE you’ll see a point to DP 2.1… but even then, it will be a minuscule few…

 

[Disiw]

Thanks for proving my point.
DP 1.4 is using the same speed as 1.3. Which is 10 years old now. 1.4 is 8 years old now. 2.0 came out in 2019. 2.1 is from 2022.

But keep defending using a connector that's had the same speed for 10 years. You lost that bet btw.

You proved nothing besides that you knew nothing about UHBR.

You don't know simple basics about DP 2.1. Sad.

I used tons of 4K/UHD monitors, DSC and no DSC, zero perceptible difference. And this is why VESA says lossless compression. Do you know what lossless mean?

 

[Skjorn]

You proved nothing besides that you knew nothing about UHBR.

You don't know simple basics about DP 2.1. Sad.

I used tons of 4K/UHD monitors, DSC and no DSC, zero perceptible difference. And this is why VESA says lossless compression. Do you know what lossless mean?

Right... you guys believe in literal computer miracles. Okay. And I'm the clueless one...

Like I said you lost that bet. Don't have to prove anything to you. Why would you think I would even be hinting at anything other than DP80 when mentioning 4K240? Because you're looking for anything to grasp onto?

It's almost like it's in the name. That it has less loss. You can't just infinitely compress data and go . "LoOK VESA sAYs it'S iMpeRScEPtAbLE"

I'll just act like you for a second.. Bet you don't even know lossless and uncompressed are two different words with two different meanings.

You don't know simple English. Sad.

You are defending major corporations for unnecessarily cheaping out and then over charging. Then you try to insult others over your defense of clearly outdated tech. It's childish and stubborn.

You’ve already been shown in previous posts that DSC is lossless compression…. I defy you to tell the difference - especially at 4k @ 240hz…

Once the Nvidia 5090 comes out, MAYBE you’ll see a point to DP 2.1… but even then, it will be a minuscule few…

You do realize it gets worse the more it gets compressed? Not better...

5090? So like later his year? So these monitors become outdated the same year they come out? You ran right into that one...

 

[Squid Surprise]

Right... you guys believe in literal computer miracles. Okay. And I'm the clueless one...

Like I said you lost that bet. Don't have to prove anything to you. Why would you think I would even be hinting at anything other than DP80 when mentioning 4K240? Because you're looking for anything to grasp onto?

It's almost like it's in the name. That it has less loss. You can't just infinitely compress data and go . "LoOK VESA sAYs it'S iMpeRScEPtAbLE"

I'll just act like you for a second.. Bet you don't even know lossless and uncompressed are two different words with two different meanings.

You don't know simple English. Sad.

You are defending major corporations for unnecessarily cheaping out and then over charging. Then you try to insult others over your defense of clearly outdated tech. It's childish and stubborn.

You do realize it gets worse the more it gets compressed? Not better...

5090? So like later his year? So these monitors become outdated the same year they come out? You ran right into that one...

Well, I’ll leave it at simple incomprehension I guess… just because something is compressed, doesn’t mean you can tell the difference.

Find some actual evidence that the compression MATTERS and maybe I’d believe that DP 1.4 was insufficient… but there isn’t - and all the evidence says DSC is imperceptible to the human eye.

Perhaps a bald eagle would notice the difference… fortunately, I’m human

 

[Skjorn]

Well, I’ll leave it at simple incomprehension I guess… just because something is compressed, doesn’t mean you can tell the difference.

Find some actual evidence that the compression MATTERS and maybe I’d believe that DP 1.4 was insufficient… but there isn’t - and all the evidence says DSC is imperceptible to the human eye.

Perhaps a bald eagle would notice the difference… fortunately, I’m human

How about find some evidence compression doesn't matter? Besides just repeating what you're told to believe.

You realize DSC used to use subsampling and limit refresh rates but now they've miracled themselves out of that... with the same bandwidth...

Are you one of the people that can't tell the difference between different high refresh rates too?
What's crazy is some humans have trained eyes to see things faster. Like I can see BBs from a shotgun travel through the air while if you just walked up and started watching you wouldn't be able to see it unless you trained yourself on what to see. There's always a bigger fish. They didn't have any more lines on the eye chart for me to read at the doctor.

 

[Squid Surprise]

How about find some evidence compression doesn't matter? Besides just repeating what you're told to believe.

You realize DSC used to use subsampling and limit refresh rates but now they've miracled themselves out of that... with the same bandwidth...

Are you one of the people that can't tell the difference between different high refresh rates too?
What's crazy is some humans have trained eyes to see things faster. Like I can see BBs from a shotgun travel through the air while if you just walked up and started watching you wouldn't be able to see it unless you trained yourself on what to see. There's always a bigger fish. They didn't have any more lines on the eye chart for me to read at the doctor.

OK... apparently you're a bald eagle... I'd love to actually experience you seeing the difference between DSC and non-DSC... Anyways, here are some links to read that prove my (and other people's) point about it being lossless.

What is Display Stream Compression? A complete guide to DSC | Digital Trends

Display Stream Compression, or DSC, is a powerful compression algorithm that your monitor and TV may already be using without your knowledge.

www.digitaltrends.com

What is Display Stream Compression (DSC)? | Cable Matters Blog

If you’ve been following DisplayPort and USB-C technology, you may ask, What is Display Stream Compression? Read on to find out how 8K video over USB-C and DisplayPort is possible.

www.cablematters.com

What’s Display Stream Compression (DSC)?

What’s Display Stream Compression (DSC)?

medium.com

Reduce bandwith without compromising resolution with VESA DSC

DSC supports a variety of video interfaces, including DisplayPort ™, HDMI® and MIPI. Read on as we discuss the DSC test for DisplayPort (DP) certification.

www.graniteriverlabs.com

VESA Display Compression Codecs - VESA - Interface Standards for The Display Industry

vesa.org

 

[Skjorn]

OK... apparently you're a bald eagle... I'd love to actually experience you seeing the difference between DSC and non-DSC... Anyways, here are some links to read that prove my (and other people's) point about it being lossless.

What is Display Stream Compression? A complete guide to DSC | Digital Trends

Display Stream Compression, or DSC, is a powerful compression algorithm that your monitor and TV may already be using without your knowledge.

www.digitaltrends.com

What is Display Stream Compression (DSC)? | Cable Matters Blog

If you’ve been following DisplayPort and USB-C technology, you may ask, What is Display Stream Compression? Read on to find out how 8K video over USB-C and DisplayPort is possible.

www.cablematters.com

What’s Display Stream Compression (DSC)?

What’s Display Stream Compression (DSC)?

medium.com

Reduce bandwith without compromising resolution with VESA DSC

DSC supports a variety of video interfaces, including DisplayPort ™, HDMI® and MIPI. Read on as we discuss the DSC test for DisplayPort (DP) certification.

www.graniteriverlabs.com

VESA Display Compression Codecs - VESA - Interface Standards for The Display Industry

vesa.org

Lossless is not uncompressed.
So only non humans have better eyes than you?

I'm sure the screens look good but DSC should not be leaned on so heavily. They cost cut on a royalty free connector and still charged over $1k for a crippled display.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Lossless is not uncompressed.

No - but "compression" isn't always bad - READ the links I posted so helpfully for you

So only non humans have better eyes than you?

Not just my eyes - virtually everyone's!! Did you actually read the definition of lossless compression?

I'm sure the screens look good but DSC should not be leaned on so heavily. They cost cut on a royalty free connector and still charged over $1k for a crippled display.

DSC has been leaned on by EVERYONE for awhile now - want to know why? Oh wait, I believe it's been posted numerous times already - because it makes no difference in image quality!!

I'm not arguing whether it was cutting costs or not - obviously it was - they'd be passing the cost down to the consumer though, and this monitor is pricey enough as it is...

 

[Skjorn]

No - but "compression" isn't always bad - READ the links I posted so helpfully for you

Not just my eyes - virtually everyone's!! Did you actually read the definition of lossless compression?

DSC has been leaned on by EVERYONE for awhile now - want to know why? Oh wait, I believe it's been posted numerous times already - because it makes no difference in image quality!!

I'm not arguing whether it was cutting costs or not - obviously it was - they'd be passing the cost down to the consumer though, and this monitor is pricey enough as it is...

All those links say is "trust me bro". There's nothing of evidence there. You don't have that amount of compression without sacrifice somewhere, if it's not in image quality then it's in latency for the time to encode and decode. It's not just a free miracle like you so wish it was.
And the more bits you compress the longer all that takes. Even in the VESA link they mention BARELY VISIBLE ARTIFACTS. So they're there..on top of added latency..

Y know how some people are faster than others. Notice how not everyone runs the exact same speed. Like how some runners are in the Olympics? It's the same with your eyes. There's even some shooting competitions in the Olympics all about your eyes.

I'm sure HDMI 2.1 cost more than DP 2.1 to implement. The only thing that would've cost extra is the cable for DP. They have to pay royalties on each HDMI connector used.

 

[Squid Surprise]

All those links say is "trust me bro". There's nothing of evidence there.

No... it's trust in VESA, trust in DigitalTrends, trust in various other expert analysis... Did you actually READ (and comprehend) the links I posted?

All YOU have is "Trust me, my eyes are better than an eagle's and I can spot the difference just cause there's compression"

I think I'll put my trust in them instead of you...

 

[Skjorn]

No... it's trust in VESA, trust in DigitalTrends, trust in various other expert analysis... Did you actually READ (and comprehend) the links I posted?

All YOU have is "Trust me, my eyes are better than an eagle's and I can spot the difference just cause there's compression"

I think I'll put my trust in them instead of you...

Yeah I did. Did you? Remember the part where they mention visible artifacts? I do. Thanks for posting the proof for me that there are visible artifacts that you don't need eagle eyes to see since human eyes confirmed it in the links provided by you.
Didn't say my eyes were better than an eagles. Said they were better than yours. Do you know what 20/8 vision means? What I see at 20 feet a normie with 20/20 has to get within 8 feet to see the same definition.
They have normies spotting artifacts in your links. If it was uncompressed there'd be 0 artifacts.
It's not a perfect computer miracle.... if you put your trust in them or me doesn't matter, they said they've seen artifacts and I said there's no way there's not artifacts or latency with that amount compression. But put your faith in marketing where only truths are told...

 

[Squid Surprise]

Yeah I did. Did you? Remember the part where they mention visible artifacts? I do. Thanks for posting the proof for me that there are visible artifacts that you don't need eagle eyes to see since human eyes confirmed it in the links provided by you.
Didn't say my eyes were better than an eagles. Said they were better than yours. Do you know what 20/8 vision means? What I see at 20 feet a normie with 20/20 has to get within 8 feet to see the same definition.
They have normies spotting artifacts in your links. If it was uncompressed there'd be 0 artifacts.
It's not a perfect computer miracle.... if you put your trust in them or me doesn't matter, they said they've seen artifacts and I said there's no way there's not artifacts or latency with that amount compression. But put your faith in marketing where only truths are told...

Artifacts aren’t solely compression related - “read harder”. Once again, I’d rather trust actual sources than your eagle eyes…