Dell can't ship Alienware PCs to certain US states due to newly adopted power consumption...

[Jimster480]

Yup, they‘re actually doing consumers a favor here.

Still wonder who‘d be stupid enough to buy an AMD based system from Dell. Heck, their Intel based systems are bad enough (there may be exceptions for top end SKU) and they‘re not even being financially incentivized to make them bad.

That said, in spite of the selective screen shots, Intel based Dell systems should be affected by the ban, as well.



And they have world class power grids….(not excluding Texas here btw)

Those states have some of the worst power grids... the power goes out all the time and they don't make enough power for their citizens. I am not sure how that is world class.
FL has a world class power grid, our grid lasts through hurricanes and we never have blackouts or other restrictions.

But the thing is, oil is being phased out in all aspects of life. And to be honest, I'm not 100% happy about that. In fact, I'm not one who believes that Gasoline power will ever be phased out completely.

As a side note though, natural gas supply is estimated to be at 250 years +\-.
And as far as volume, natural gas can be compressed for storage and takes up far less space to store. Plus, it flows waaaay easier than a liquid, not to mention oil. So transporting it is a snap.

Natural gas also burns clean. So it makes sense to have lots of it when we have so much supply anyway.
As far as oil supply running out well..... they don't have much evidence for that. However it definitely burns much dirtier than most other things (other than coal) and would be better to move towards newer technologies.

 

[Jimster480]

Actually, it is happening thinking.

Please don't even consider comparing the manufacture of those with an entire fossil fuel power plant. Especially when you remember those power plants will be polluting heavily during their entire lifespan.

True, but maintenance is fractional next to a fossil fuel power plant.
Some would even call it a worthwhile investment.

Or, the truth, they don't. Not with simple maintenance.

Yes, they are. And even anti-eco people know that to be true, at least to a point. Less pollution = better for the atmosphere. It's not hard.

When you consider that the batteries in 11 year old Ford Focus' and late 90s Hybrids are still functioning well to this day, I will say wrong. And look at the battery advancements since then.

You are literally wrong in every one of your points.

Windmills break down all the time, they have HUGE maintenance costs and they require OIL and other lubricants to not fall apart on day one.
Solar panels also only have a few year life of daily use.... Everything has to be replaced every ~10 years or so.

The batteries in electric vehicles also do need replacing, how fast depends on the climate and how often the vehicle is driven and how much the battery is wasted. Older hybrids with working batteries for 10 years cannot be considered because they have small batteries and gas engines. So the battery is kept in its optimum state most times and also usually secured behind the back seats where it isn't exposed to the elements. Those batteries still do go bad and you can search the used market for hybrids that need batteries and buy them for pennies on the dollar. Electric cars have a much worse problem because their batteries will die much faster.
Electric cars are also about CONTROL because you can only drive where the car LETS you drive. Since they are all digital and charging requires authentication (to charge your account, etc) the government could decide where and when you could drive somewhere. Since the range is so short; it would be easy for them to totally control every aspect of transportation using electric vehicles.

 

[scavengerspc]

Windmills break down all the time

No they dont. And they are simple to repair even the worst of failures because of their modular design. Also the lubrication is synthetic, but even at that the petroleum needed is similar to the amount of brake fluid in a vehicle.

The batteries in electric vehicles also do need replacing, how fast depends on the climate and how often the vehicle is driven and how much the battery is wasted.

Well so far even the oldest are lasting and doing very long service.

Older hybrids with working batteries for 10 years cannot be considered because they have small batteries

Wrong again. The size of the battery has ZERO to do with longevity.

Those batteries still do go bad and you can search the used market for hybrids that need batteries

I should not have to mention that misuse does not count. But even at that, the only place to get replacement batteries is often a junkyard because they don't go bad often enough to justify high volume manufacturing.

Electric cars are also about CONTROL because you can only drive where the car LETS you drive.

Are you referring to all those gas stations in the middle of the forest or desert? There is not vehicle that does not restrict the driver to certain terrain.

the government could decide where and when you could drive somewhere

Great. Now Im going to have the Twilight Zone song in my head the rest of the day. Paranoia is not a fact based arguement.

Since the range is so short

Range is not short. And hasn't been in a long time.

And now ironically, you are literally wrong in every one of your points.

 

[scavengerspc]

Natural gas also burns clean. So it makes sense to have lots of it when we have so much supply anyway.

And I made that perfectly clear in my posts.

 

[trents]

More states will follow. You'd better learn to build your own gaming PC if you are not doing it already. And, this may be a boon to small independent PC shops.

 

[Austinturner]

More states will follow. You'd better learn to build your own gaming PC if you are not doing it already. And, this may be a boon to small independent PC shops.

Is that so that you can have a PC that uses more power when it is not being used (idle/sleep)? Because that is literally all this is about, the dell PCs don’t meet regulation because they consume too much power when they are not being used.

 

[bexwhitt]

All this law does is dictate stand by power, it's nothing to do with the PC when running.

 

[mbrowne5061]

ITT: more people who didn't read the text of the law, and see it was only talking about power consumption while the computer was sleeping and power efficiency while at 50% loading.

If any computer company chooses not to sell you a computer because you live in one of the states mentioned here, it is because they chose not to sell you the computer. All they need to do to comply is install PSUs that meet the 80 Plus Gold Standard. Which I am willing to bet, anyone doing an BYOPC is the minimum pick for their build anyway.