Electric vehicles report 79% more issues than gas-powered cars

[Koguma]

EVs are nearly as old as ICE, the first model T was an EV. ICE was implemented over EVs because EVs were expensive, heavy, and had limited range.

Sound familiar?

"but but but its new" STFU. GM was making a modern EV in the 90s with the EV1. We were playing with this tech in the 70s. Lithium batteries have been around since the 90s. None of this is new.

You're quite wrong. EVs were actually some of the first cars, that's true. But they quickly died off, replaced by ICE cars. The hiccups of EV tech in the 90s doesn't come close to the decades of R&D done with ICE cars.

In other words, the total R&D time of EVs is much shorter than ICE because ICE R&D has been CONTINUOUS.

 

[Koguma]

TLDR; EVs suck deeznutz.

 

[RandomWAN]

"Surprisingly, regular hybrids (EVs that don't require charging between trips) were the most reliable category, having 26 percent fewer issues than ICE powertrains. Consumer Reports claims the better reliability scores for hybrids come from 25 years of refinement."

It's not surprising though. You have a vehicle that is built off of techonology that has been under constant development for over 100 years that is supplemented by newer technology that has had a quarter of a century to be improved and refined. It's a given that more traditional ICE vehicles would have the least amount of problems and a matured technology centered around ICE would have less than the relatively immature and much more complex technology that EVs represent. Just because you don't have an ICE powering your vehicle, doesn't automatically make it less complex or prone to issues.

This is ridiculous...

Reliability is not linked to a technology, reliability is linked to the manufacturer.

The reason why hybrids are more reliable is because Toyota is main manufacturer of hybrid cars.

The same way, the main reason EVs are more problematic at the moment is because many models are from China or are made by companies like BMW, Mercedes or Volvo... all unreliable automakers.

That only applies in a more 'apples to apples' comparison. The younger or less developed technology is going to be more prone to problems because it has less refinement and less real world data points to learn from. EVs are also more complex than ICE vehicles, especially when they're trying to shove as much developing technology into them as possible. In regards to manufactured in China, EVs manufactured in the US have had their share of problems too. China sourced problems come into play more with the manufacturing side where they always try to cut corners.

 

[scavengerspc]

Reliability is not linked to a technology, reliability is linked to the manufacturer.

I get the feeling that many such facts will not matter here.

 

[hwertz]

I think the other reason hybrids are more reliable (after all, they've had 25 years of refinement, but ICE -- Internal Combustion Engines -- have had over 120 years of refinement...) is due to being able to "split the load". The engine spends far less time under heavy load when the hybrid power can be "blended in" to pull it up hills, pass stuff, go up interstate onramps, etc. And the electric components are under heavy load much less of the time than a purely electric vehicle since the electrical motors are not the sole source of propulsion either.

Side note, man that Pacifica has a bad rating! Sheesh.

 

[albert albert]

>> Reliability is not linked to a technology, reliability is linked to the manufacturer

This is an incorrect statement. There are more reliable and less reliable technologies.
Electric motors are much more reliable than gas engines because they have much smaller number of parts that do not expose to mechanical stress and high temperatures like gas engines. You can break the electric motor's case and the motor still can work. Try to break the cylinder block of a gas engine - the engine is not even going to start.

 

[PEnnn]

I remember when until a few years ago (till the late 1990s, to be exact), American-made cars reported 100% more issues than Japanese cars.

All the cars were ICE then, by the way. So, can we blame the same identical technology or something else??

 

[mbk34]

A friend of mine has a high mileage Toyota Prius. He bought it with 100K on the clock and he's added another 200K. He was telling me about the failures he's had in those 200K miles : there was a headlamp bulb and a brake light bulb. That was it apart from regular servicing. He also said it still managed to average 70mpg. If it wasn't for the looks of the car, I'd get one myself.

 

[toooooot]

Batteries should come in smaller parts. That way, as they get old, it would still be possible to do fairly simple partial replacement.
The worst about EV in my opinion is that when it gets older it so definitely gets deader.
There are plenty of older ICE cars that still work and will do for a long time. An old buttery however, it gets UNDOUBTLY finished with age. So, on one side the car itself is deprecating, on the other the risk of the worth of the car becoming -10, 15 thousands is terrifying. The battery in an aging car is the biggest disadvantage due to materials and the way batteries age. And it is very bad for people who are hoping to keep their cars for longer time.
I feel like there will be a lot of disappointment with EVs as they get much more popular. As the battery is such a large chunk of the car's worth, batteries need to last longer even if they do not hold as much power over time.

 

[Mark Fuller]

Batteries should come in smaller parts. That way, as they get old, it would still be possible to do fairly simple partial replacement.
The worst about EV in my opinion is that when it gets older it so definitely gets deader.
There are plenty of older ICE cars that still work and will do for a long time. An old buttery however, it gets UNDOUBTLY finished with age. So, on one side the car itself is deprecating, on the other the risk of the worth of the car becoming -10, 15 thousands is terrifying. The battery in an aging car is the biggest disadvantage due to materials and the way batteries age. And it is very bad for people who are hoping to keep their cars for longer time.
I feel like there will be a lot of disappointment with EVs as they get much more popular. As the battery is such a large chunk of the car's worth, batteries need to last longer even if they do not hold as much power over time.

Batteries coming in smaller segments of construction is a good idea, that way the poor guy who had to spend 24,000 to replace a Tesla battery might not have had to spend so much, and they could be arranged in different modes of parallel and serial depending on what was needed to increase power or capacity.

 

[Phroderick]

While General Motors in general and Chevrolet in particular are not mentioned, I will note a very recent experience with my 5-week-old Chevrolet Bolt EUV that makes me suspicious that the problem may not be entirely one of design or manufacturing QA. Specifically, I took my Bolt EUV for a short errand and, after parking it to offload some packages, could not get it going again after completing my tasks. I did noting I'm aware of that differed from my previous dozen or so times using this EV. The car acted as though it had been remotely disabled. I am suspicious that the expiration of my 30-day OnStar trial, surrounded by intense attempts by OnStar to get me to continue with their service that would cost me at least $30 per month, which I declined, about a week earlier, may have had something to do with my inability to use the vehicle and being stranded a long walk from home. When I got home I was able to set up a tow to the dealer (provided for 3 years by Chevrolet) after being lied to by the OnStar agent that I no longer had this coverage. I know that OnStar has the capability to disable my vehicle, per their description of the benefits of their service package, and since they are a subsidiary of General Motors, they have access to all of the information I provided to the dealer at the time of purchase. After getting my wife to ferry me back to the Bolt, I was amazed to find that the Bolt worked fine as if nothing had happened. Taken together, the circumstances of this situation leave me room for suspicion that disabling my Bolt could have been engineered by OnStar as part of a "marketing" campaign to convince buyers of GM vehicles that their service will reduce stress, worry, and inconvenience. Large U.S. corporations, or part of them, have been shown to have engaged in similarly illegal and immoral activities in the not-too-distant past (see: Wells-Fargo Bank). Something to think about, maybe.

 

[Tantor]

You have to have your head up your *** not to realize that our planet's climate is changing, and at a wildly unprecedented rate, and that it's doing so because of the actions of it's Eight Billion inhabitants. Scientists almost unanimously agree, and I learned a long time ago to STFU and listen when someone knows way more than me about a given subject. Of course, wisdom isn't a strong suit for Trump's Hitleresque followers...

Well... no. Scientists do not unanimously agree. Just go to https://wattsupwiththat.com You'll find a HUGE selection of very technical articles that directly refute most of the Warmist claims.

Warmist 'science' has a critical flaw. It assumes that 100% of present day warming is caused by humans. First they show you graphs with a spike at the end. They tell you humans are 100% responsible, and it's the END OF THE WORLD. They tell you that humans can reverse the spike, but only by following their policies like Net Zero. And it's going to be very expensive.

There is literally zero scientific support for that notion. The Earth's mean temperature has changed dramatically within the last few thousand years. With NO human influence. During the ice age there were mile high glaciers across much of Europe and Canada. After the ice age, during the early Holocene, the mean temperature was up to 2.5C hotter than now. Some of these changes were very rapid. https://www.britannica.com/science/Holocene-Epoch/Holocene-climatic-trends-and-chronology

So Trump is a 2nd Hitler? You could have fooled me. Trump is very popular in Israel (unlike Hitler). LOL....

 

[berdyne]

Well, when you have EVs like the model 3 that destroy their batteries from rain, or Hyundai that blow their batteries at 160k km with a $50000 repair bill, this isnt that surprising. Everyone who claimed "no moving parts so more reliable" have clearly never owned an ICE powered car, since if they did they'd know that electrical issues are by far the most common problem.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10103753/electric-car-shock-50000-battery/
https://www.torquenews.com/13417/some-tesla-motors-reportedly-prone-damage-if-used-rain
https://www.theautopian.com/heres-w...-cost-42000-after-just-a-minor-fender-bender/

It isnt helped that EV makers refuse to make....normal cars. They always have to route all the EV controls and HVAC controls and driver into through the stupid, easily broken infotainment system instead of just using dials like a normal machine, and yes ICE vehicles adopting this for gauge clusters is equally infuriating.

It should be noted here that gasoline does not "EXPLODE" in the Engine when ignited.
It BURNS. Any mechanic (technician) with average expertise would know that.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Warmist 'science' has a critical flaw. It assumes that 100% of present day warming is caused by humans. First they show you graphs with a spike at the end. They tell you humans are 100% responsible, and it's the END OF THE WORLD. They tell you that humans can reverse the spike, but only by following their policies like Net Zero. And it's going to be very expensive.

Lol, I love reading people's imaginary bogeyman narratives about how they imagine "the other side" thinks of issues. Keep that alarmist rhetoric coming, I'm gettin' some popcorn!

 

[Dimitrios]

Not surprised.

 

[loki1944]

This is ridiculous...

Reliability is not linked to a technology, reliability is linked to the manufacturer.

The reason why hybrids are more reliable is because Toyota is main manufacturer of hybrid cars.

The same way, the main reason EVs are more problematic at the moment is because many models are from China or are made by companies like BMW, Mercedes or Volvo... all unreliable automakers.

Technology CAN very much be the issue; this is why after the 1940s you don't see planes using rocket fuel being put into use; the tech was terrible compared to jet technology or regulatar propeller technology.

 

[scavengerspc]

It should be noted here that gasoline does not "EXPLODE" in the Engine when ignited.
It BURNS. Any mechanic (technician) with average expertise would know that.

Sheesh. Ok, that comment was LESS exciting than this:

 

[Bobbygdue]

Whoever believed the climate freaks and bought such cars deserves the consequences.

How can you assume the reasons why people buy EVs? For some people fuel is a large part of the cost of owning a car. For others it's the convenience of not having to go to a fuel station to fill up. I don't live in places where I can install a charger, nor do I want to have to plan trips around charging stations. I'm happy with my gasoline powered car, but I'm not assuming someone's a "climate freak" whatever that is.

 

[Edster]

How can you assume the reasons why people buy EVs? For some people fuel is a large part of the cost of owning a car. For others it's the convenience of not having to go to a fuel station to fill up. I don't live in places where I can install a charger, nor do I want to have to plan trips around charging stations. I'm happy with my gasoline powered car, but I'm not assuming someone's a "climate freak" whatever that is.

Honestly, after driving an EV car and living around EV cars. If climate change is not a concern, if the ICE and EV version of the car will have similar costs over the life time, I will still choose an EV over an ICE car. There are a lot of subtle things that make them such better cars overall for the general user.

Beyond what you mentioned about not needing to go to petrol stations, EVs are a lot quieter overall; no one is actually impressed that a car is loud unless they are proper high performance. EV also have much better responsiveness, especially at lower end cars where ICE cars often have a very weak engine; whereas EVs are often just more nimble which makes evasive moves, or overtakes a lot safer. One pedal driving mode is surprisingly fun and easy, wears out the brakes a lot less. And the fact is, even if you are using 100% non-renewable energy to power the EVs, you are taking the pollution away from the city centers making cities a lot more pleasant. My city has a lot of buses using EV, the lack of a diesel engine grunting away is a giant improvement.

And the other thing is, charging stations are mainly for long trips, or people who can't plug in their car at home. A slow home charger can easily get you ~150 km/90 miles per night; which is more than adequate for most commuters, most people don't need a specialised charger installed at home. I owned my car for 4 months. I had to go to a fast charger zero times.

 

[Bobbygdue]

Beyond what you mentioned about not needing to go to petrol stations, EVs are a lot quieter overall; no one is actually impressed that a car is loud unless they are proper high performance. EV also have much better responsiveness, especially at lower end cars where ICE cars often have a very weak engine; whereas EVs are often just more nimble which makes evasive moves, or overtakes a lot safer. One pedal driving mode is surprisingly fun and easy, wears out the brakes a lot less. And the fact is, even if you are using 100% non-renewable energy to power the EVs, you are taking the pollution away from the city centers making cities a lot more pleasant. My city has a lot of buses using EV, the lack of a diesel engine grunting away is a giant improvement.

And the other thing is, charging stations are mainly for long trips, or people who can't plug in their car at home. A slow home charger can easily get you ~150 km/90 miles per night; which is more than adequate for most commuters, most people don't need a specialised charger installed at home. I owned my car for 4 months. I had to go to a fast charger zero times.

A car being quiet has more to do with build quality than what powers the wheels. It sounds like you are comparing $60k+ EV's to $20k ICE cars. Cheaper EV's have noisy cabins and don't accelerate like the EV you are thinking about.

Being easy to turn and handle in a city is all about the vehicle's design and overall size. A small ICE car designed for the city will be better at city driving than a full sized EV designed for the highway.

Pollution from cars in cities is mostly the fault of poor or difficult city planning where cars spend most of their time waiting to move rather than moving at a speed where they are most efficient.

People who live in apartments likely won't be able to charge where they part that's only for people who have the luxury of living in a house where they can charge where they park. If a large portion of the population bought an EV the demand for charging would be larger than the capacity of public chargers. In some places it's a problem now. People are waiting for well over an hour to charge then have to charge for an hour or more so just filling up the tank is taking some more than two hours.

 

[madboyv1]

So the most expensive one - Mercedes is at the very bottom, as expected, LOL.

Their motto - the car must fall apart soon after sale, so the sucker buys another one.

Mercedes = a turd in a fancy wrap.

The company slogan is "The best, or nothing." What people don't realize is that it usually skews, often heavily, towards the latter. XD

 

[JamesBlond]

I say anyone who buys a ev should suffer the consequences for their stupidity.
Like it or not the science behind climate change is the dumbest bunch of *****s in the world who call themselves scientists, because its not about science its all about control.
Simple facts
Climate Change Fear - worship the false CCGod

 

[hwertz]

I say anyone who buys a ev should suffer the consequences for their stupidity.
Like it or not the science behind climate change is the dumbest bunch of *****s in the world who call themselves scientists, because its not about science its all about control.
Simple facts
Climate Change Fear - worship the false CCGod

Agreed about EV purchasers. The second part is 100% false. I'm no fan of the regulatory climate (pushing to all-EV when the technology is not mature yet, and without a push to increase power grid capacity to go along with the increased power use. Or for that matter trying to bar gas engine sales in the future rather than just allowing EV technology to mature, so more people will be buying EVs by choice as the "teething problems" are worked out, and let people buy what they want.)

But scientists are scientists, they are not pushing an agenda, they are going through the available data and drawing conclusions based off of it. Believe me, some of them would LOVE it if they could conclude there's no climate change but the numbers just don't support it.

That said, one of the old greats of science fiction -- I can't recall who because I thought it was Arthur C. Clarke, but later in life apparently they spoke with great concern about climate change.. maybe it WAS him and he changed his mind? One of them had a view that is considered quite shocking today, they had the view in the like 1950s, 60s, or 70s that earth is warming, but maybe it's not a big problem? They posited (for example) that some farming areas would become untenable (too hot, or desertify) but other areas would open up (for instance, with a warmer climate areas of Canada that were too cold would have perfect farming weather.)

 

[scavengerspc]

I say anyone who buys a ev should suffer the consequences for their stupidity.

I have had one for 3 years now. Inform me of the consequences I am apparently missing, please.
Then I can use actual facts, and, apologies to ya, but the truth, to tell you all the ways I have benefitted from mine.

Like it or not the science behind climate change is the dumbest bunch of *****s in the world who call themselves scientists, because its not about science its all about control.
Simple facts
Climate Change Fear - worship the false CCGod

For that bit of..... wisdom, I just kept thinking of the twilight zone music.
Unless you have proof of your drivel, of course.