Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV...

[Beerfloat]

I just watched an interview with Musk conducted by Ben Shapiro. Everyone that hates these two have never watched them except via clips presented by the legacy media.

I don't know man. If every thought I've seen these two individuals express before makes me agree with them less, I'm not sure how seeing more of them would improve their standing.

 

[Freddie159]

Someone should tell Musk that Apartheid and slavery is no longer a thing.

Instead of all that overtime he just needs to hire a 2nd or 3rd shift, hire them now at a lower rate and when they roll the car out everyone is up to speed and the pay increases.

 

[RudyBob]

I don't know man. If every thought I've seen these two individuals express before makes me agree with them less, I'm not sure how seeing more of them would improve their standing.

That's OK. You were brought up and educated by the problem so I understand. Listen to them not selected quotes by the legacy media. You could learn something. That approach has always worked for me.

 

[Beerfloat]

That's OK. You were brought up and educated by the problem so I understand. Listen to them not selected quotes by the legacy media. You could learn something. That approach has always worked for me.

I have to ask. Who or what is 'the problem'?

 

[brucek]

The "we're rushing the schedule by quite a bit" approach is bad enough when used on say a video game, where the predictable outcomes on day 1 are player annoyance, and are fixable with a future patch.

I do not think this approach should be acceptable for an automobile, where the outcome could too easily be fatalities, and where the fix may require every customer to bring their car back in for repairs, knowing that the capacity to do that does not easily exist (staff was already "sleeping on floors").

If your automobile design is not ready for an orderly rollout to market, it is not ready.

 

[Havor]

If Amazon did this, it would be a huge scandal and make worldwide headlines (heck, they have indeed had their fair share of employment controversy over the years). But if Tesla do it, it almost comes across as hipster and trendy.

It depends, I have been on a job as a pipe fitter, ware I worked 100 hours/week for 8 weeks straight, and made €4000 a week.

If overtime pay is high enough, and not forcing his employees to stay, I have personally no problem with it.

But then again, imho is he the smartest idi0t I know of on the planet.

 

[Reallyhow]

Paid apprenticeship, zero debt, great benefits, pension. I don't know of a job where you get 3 paid months off every year. The main reason we can't get workers? Random drug tests and people want to smoke weed. If people can't give up drugs to make a decent wage amd have their education paid for then, frankly, they don't deserve it. I'm pro marijuana but I think even if it is legalized we should still test for it because it shows strength of character and motivation.

In developed countries, drug testing for things is illegal.

 

[yRaz]

In developed countries, drug testing for things is illegal.

Which makes me wonder if that's why some countries are developed and others are not. for me, drug testing is optional, but if you dont have a drug card then you aren't eligible for the higher paying or more desirable jobs

 

[Endymio]

In developed countries, drug testing for things is illegal.

The US isn't a developed nation? Drug testing is mandatory for many jobs here .. as it should be.

 

[AdamNovagen]

You move sixteen tons, and whaddya get?
Another day older, and deeper in debt
Saint Peter, don't you take me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store...

But yeah, something something labor unions bad, socialism evil, billionaires will save us, eagles, beer, etc etc etc

 

[Endymio]

But yeah, something something labor unions bad, socialism evil, billionaires will save us, eagles, beer, etc etc etc

The only people who may be "sleeping on the floor" at Tesla are their engineers, who, according to statistics from Indeed, are paid 40% higher than the national average. Meanwhile, in every US state which gives workers a choice between joining a union and independence, total union membership has dropped off a cliff.

 

[erickmendes]

He should at least provide cots. Next we'll see apartments being built close to factories within walking distance. Maybe some may like living in these apartments.

They can sleep inside unfinished teslas

 

[Bobbydpue]

It's called hard work and dedication, people. Good lord, it's not permanent. Every new project takes a lot of blood and sweat. Where the hell has the work hard culture gone.

No wonder I have such a good income. I do whatever it takes, and it gets VERY noticed. I love it.

Love to work hard, play hard, run and swim hard.

You clearly haven't been driven into the ground by working all day every day for months at a time with no additional compensation or without enough compensation. After promises of extra pay never resulting in actual additional pay I left.

Elon didn't say anything about additional pay, time off or other benefits so I don't know who you are defending other than a person who's stepped on someone on their way to the top.

You didn't earn your income as a factory worker putting in extra hours and making a few extra dollars while the CEO is getting paid over $50 billion. You are assuming their hard work will 100% result in more pay and higher status in the company. After working overtime for several companies for years with no raise in pay and not even a "thank you" you don't understand how some people at the top do not care about their employees. These people will work their employees as much as they will tolerate and when they leave, they will hire someone else, and they will try to get them for even less pay.

 

[Endymio]

Elon didn't say anything about additional pay, time off or other benefits so I don't know who you are defending...You didn't earn your income as a factory worker putting in extra hours and making a few extra dollars...

Good lord, it was a joke on an investment call, and he wasn't even talking about factory workers. Get over it.

After working overtime for several companies for years with no raise in pay and not even a "thank you" ...

Did you receive overtime pay for that overtime work? A simple yes or no will do. And did you send the company CEO a "thank you" when he kept the company functional, and ensured you received your paycheck every month? Or did you take the hideously offensive posture that his paycheck alone was compensation enough?

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

You clearly haven't been driven into the ground by working all day every day for months at a time with no additional compensation or without enough compensation. After promises of extra pay never resulting in actual additional pay I left.

Elon didn't say anything about additional pay, time off or other benefits so I don't know who you are defending other than a person who's stepped on someone on their way to the top.

You didn't earn your income as a factory worker putting in extra hours and making a few extra dollars while the CEO is getting paid over $50 billion. You are assuming their hard work will 100% result in more pay and higher status in the company. After working overtime for several companies for years with no raise in pay and not even a "thank you" you don't understand how some people at the top do not care about their employees. These people will work their employees as much as they will tolerate and when they leave, they will hire someone else, and they will try to get them for even less pay.

You don't know me so well. I know this is a TLDR post.

I started working at 15 years old at an auto parts store, through my teens worked as a waiter at mediocre places like Ryan's. Worked as a bag boy at a grocery store. In my early 20's I was really struggling in tech school and trying to find my way (Typical male ). I then met my wife of 32 years and things started to turn. I had something to drive me to be better, find my way. I've always tinkered with electronics and PC's, fixed everything around the house, from refrigerators to automobiles, even in my early teens.

My father was a role model about "Pay yourself first", meaning save! Pay cash. My mother was the opposite but she was the "Loving and emotional" support of the family. Probably the pillar. Typical parents of the 50's generation.

I worked my *** off throughout my life, for crap money. I didn't care, I didn't buy what I couldn't afford and I saved. Eventually, even without a college degree, I'm close to paying off my house and retiring early. I have a solid career based on experience learned throughout my 42 years of working. Now am in charge of the data side of a multi-million dollar importer. It's fun, busy and I probably don't earn what I'm worth. But I love it.

 

[hwertz]

Title is clickbait. The article specifically quotes Elon mentioning engineers and production ramp up of a new line. So this is not all the Tesla workers and it's not all the time. I don't think this is all that crazy. Ramping up a production line means the key engineers need to support all production shifts so that problems can be addressed immediately in real time. Like an on-call but you have to be on-site. Until a certain baseline is established and a normal production cycle is achieved, this is not entirely unreasonable. With proper compensation and accommodation, this is completely valid.

Not click bait. I worked at a large company for a while as a machine operator, WHILE the company was starting up a new production line. Guess what? They didn't expect people to sleep at the factory -- that is outrageous! How can that even be safe, a factory is a factory, they don't have loads of extra rooms for people to bunk in? They did move all their techs to a single shift so they could all help set up the new equipment, and get training and whatever else, at once (.. which meant 3rd shift had no techs, which was not ideal.)

I mean, people working at Tesla are indeed choosing to work at Tesla. But the working conditions he seems to expect his employees to work under seem outrageous to me. Yes, he (at least claims) to be sleeping in at these businesses so often... but he's a billionaire, with billions on the line depending on how these companies perform! He's not spending 8-12 hours on a production line, he's going around making suggestions or whatever. Not the same at all as someone who (in ordinary production) expects to come in, work 8-12 hours, and then leave to rest up for the next shift, spend time with the family, etc.